Is it just me or have SF vanished?

FrancieBrady · 19-06-2020 11:41AM

jh79 wrote: »

So pretty much everybody is a partitionist bar Dissident Republicans.

Whatever you want jh...if the description works for you...fire away.

Yurt2 · 19-06-2020 11:50AM

God help us the FG cyber-simian fecal matter slinging unit are a delicate sort aren't they?

Partitionist is now an abusive term. Diddums

blanch152 · 19-06-2020 11:52AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Whatever you want jh...if the description works for you...fire away.

Your definition includes any poster who says you can't analyse Sinn Fein's performance in government in the North because government there is different to the South. That person is quite clearly seeking to "emphasise the perceived differences between the two jurisdictions".

You must be our first self-declared partitionist.

FrancieBrady · 19-06-2020 12:00PM

blanch152 wrote: »

Your definition includes any poster who says you can't analyse Sinn Fein's performance in government in the North because government there is different to the South. That person is quite clearly seeking to "emphasise the perceived differences between the two jurisdictions".

You must be our first self-declared partitionist.

person who thinks 'partitionist' is a term of abuse...calls someone a partitionist.

blanch...if it works for you, call me whatever you like, it has never stopped you before.

btw accepting that the two jurisdictions are run differently is an acceptance that the two places are indeed 'partitioned'.

It's what you want to do about that, that matters, in describing what you are.

blanch152 · 19-06-2020 12:04PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

person who thinks 'partitionist' is a term of abuse...calls someone a partitionist.

blanch...if it works for you, call me whatever you like, it has never stopped you before.

btw accepting that the two jurisdictions are run differently is an acceptance that the two places are indeed 'partitioned'.

It's what you want to do about that, that matters, in describing what you are.

Oh dear, you need to read my post again. Based on your definition (which I don't accept), you are a partitionist.

Either man up and withdraw your definition, or accept that you fall under it.

Under my definition, the correct one, and the way it is used on here by you and others, I wouldn't call anyone a partitionist.

FrancieBrady · 19-06-2020 12:14PM

blanch152 wrote: »

Oh dear, you need to read my post again. Based on your definition (which I don't accept), you are a partitionist.

Either man up and withdraw your definition, or accept that you fall under it.

Under my definition, the correct one, and the way it is used on here by you and others, I wouldn't call anyone a partitionist.

As usual you are trying to go down the rabbithole.

A 'partitionist' is somebody who wishes to keep something partitioned.

Somebody who merely describes how that 'partition' functions is not a 'partitionist' necessarily. Although they can be. i.e. when, for instance, someone like you gets something right about how partition operates.

blanch152 · 19-06-2020 12:24PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

As usual you are trying to go down the rabbithole.

A 'partitionist' is somebody who wishes to keep something partitioned.

Somebody who merely describes how that 'partition' functions is not a 'partitionist' necessarily. Although they can be. i.e. when, for instance, someone like you gets something right about how partition operates.

That piece in bold wasn't in your original definition, once again, you put something out there and you have to back away from it in minutes.....

FrancieBrady wrote: »

In Ireland, partitionism (Irish: críochdheighiltíocht) refers to views on Irish politics, culture, geography, or history that treat Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland as distinct. Partitionists may emphasise the perceived differences between the two jurisdictions and the people who live within them.

.....at least you are getting closer to my definition

blanch152 wrote: »

Partitionist n. a term of abuse for.....

someone who is a lesser Irish person because they do not want to see an immediate reunification of the country regardless of the consequences

someone who is a lesser Irish person because they do not support Sinn Fein policy on a united Ireland

someone who is a lesser Irish person because they believe that an inclusive approach to a united Ireland requires the consent of the unionist population as well as the nationalist population

someone who is a lesser Irish person because they believe that the cost of a united Ireland is too large a burden to place on the ordinary Irish person and that the hardship created is not worth it for symbolic reasons

someone who is a lesser Irish person because they believe that identity is not tied to territory and are indifferent about a united Ireland because it is linked to tired old concepts of nationhood and possession of territory

There are probably some other examples that can be given to refine the definition.

FrancieBrady · 19-06-2020 12:31PM

blanch152 wrote: »

That piece in bold wasn't in your original definition, once again, you put something out there and you have to back away from it in minutes.....

'backing away'?

Stop digging blanch.

the term is a perfectly acceptable descriptor.

EmmetSpiceland · 23-06-2020 10:11PM

THIS COUNTRY IS FULL OF SHEEP AND "I'M ALRIGHT JACKS", TOO AFRAID TO STAND UP TO THE FFG CARTEL AND THEIR CORRUPTION.

Jinglejangle69 · 23-06-2020 10:17PM

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

THIS COUNTRY IS FULL OF SHEEP AND "I'M ALRIGHT JACKS", TOO AFRAID TO STAND UP TO THE FFG CARTEL AND THEIR CORRUPTION.

OK SO!!!!!

Finty Lemon · 23-06-2020 10:24PM

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

THIS COUNTRY IS FULL OF SHEEP AND "I'M ALRIGHT JACKS", TOO AFRAID TO STAND UP TO THE FFG CARTEL AND THEIR CORRUPTION.

Ireland ranked 18th best of 179 countries on the CPI (corruption index) in 2019 and has been top 20 for years. This high rating has been delivered by FFG in power all that time.
Venezuela, that shining model so strongly supported by SF, ranked 173rd between North Korea and Afghanistan. Wake up.

Loafing Oaf · 23-06-2020 10:55PM

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

THIS COUNTRY IS FULL OF SHEEP AND "I'M ALRIGHT JACKS", TOO AFRAID TO STAND UP TO THE FFG CARTEL AND THEIR CORRUPTION.

And you're resisting them with the only weapon you have, THE CAPS LOCK BUTTON!

Suckit · 24-06-2020 12:41AM

Finty Lemon wrote: »

Ireland ranked 18th best of 179 countries on the CPI (corruption index) in 2019 and has been top 20 for years. This high rating has been delivered by FFG in power all that time.
Venezuela, that shining model so strongly supported by SF, ranked 173rd between North Korea and Afghanistan. Wake up.

What's your point? That 18th best corruption is a good thing?
Or that FFG being in power so long are much more capable of hiding it?
The corruption is from the ground up with them, and just because the CPI (corruption index) points out that a load of African and South American countries are perceived to be more corrupt doesn't really mean a whole lot.
It also only really covers FG in power, as the data only starts from 2012.

That, and the fact the poster you quoted didn't mention how corrupt they were perceived to be by them.

dundalkfc10 · 24-06-2020 01:16AM

Suckit wrote: »

What's your point? That 18th best corruption is a good thing?
Or that FFG being in power so long are much more capable of hiding it?
The corruption is from the ground up with them, and just because the CPI (corruption index) points out that a load of African and South American countries are perceived to be more corrupt doesn't really mean a whole lot.
It also only really covers FG in power, as the data only starts from 2012.

That, and the fact the poster you quoted didn't mention how corrupt they were perceived to be by them.

Anything good

FG.. look at us we are high on the stats in Europe on it

Anything bad you can't compare us to them

Finty Lemon · 24-06-2020 09:05AM

Suckit wrote: »

What's your point? That 18th best corruption is a good thing?
Or that FFG being in power so long are much more capable of hiding it?
The corruption is from the ground up with them, and just because the CPI (corruption index) points out that a load of African and South American countries are perceived to be more corrupt doesn't really mean a whole lot.
It also only really covers FG in power, as the data only starts from 2012.

That, and the fact the poster you quoted didn't mention how corrupt they were perceived to be by them.

Yes indeed, 18th position in a table of 179 is a good result (top 10% thereabouts). The spread among the top 20 is small also. It puts Ireland in the same light as Belgium, Australia, Austria, Canada, Germany. You know, mature centrist democracies with a liberal social agenda and a healthy respect for free market economics.

The 'perception' index is constructed as a composite of numerous surveys and data gathering exercises compiled by reputable expert institutions globally. Arguing over the word perception is a bit like arguing over the 'theory' part in the theory of evolution.
Its not just South American countries (like the SF beloved Venezuela or Colombia) that struggle for credibility. That other pillar of SF's international brotherhood, Greece, is not to hot either.

blanch152 · 24-06-2020 09:40AM

Suckit wrote: »

What's your point? That 18th best corruption is a good thing?
Or that FFG being in power so long are much more capable of hiding it?
The corruption is from the ground up with them, and just because the CPI (corruption index) points out that a load of African and South American countries are perceived to be more corrupt doesn't really mean a whole lot.
It also only really covers FG in power, as the data only starts from 2012.

That, and the fact the poster you quoted didn't mention how corrupt they were perceived to be by them.

You are correct, the data only starts from 2012 on a comparative basis.

What is interesting is that Ireland's performance has improved since 2012 by 7.2%, increasing the score from 69 to 74, indicating that Ireland has progressively become a less corrupt country under these Fine Gael governments.

dundalkfc10 · 24-06-2020 09:52AM

Finty Lemon wrote: »

Yes indeed, 18th position in a table of 179 is a good result (top 10% thereabouts). The spread among the top 20 is small also. It puts Ireland in the same light as Belgium, Australia, Austria, Canada, Germany. You know, mature centrist democracies with a liberal social agenda and a healthy respect for free market economics.

The 'perception' index is constructed as a composite of numerous surveys and data gathering exercises compiled by reputable expert institutions globally. Arguing over the word perception is a bit like arguing over the 'theory' part in the theory of evolution.
Its not just South American countries (like the SF beloved Venezuela or Colombia) that struggle for credibility. That other pillar of SF's international brotherhood, Greece, is not to hot either.

Wonder what position we will drop when FG are out of Govt and all their corruption is revealed.

Mortelaro · 24-06-2020 10:29AM

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

Wonder what position we will drop when FG are out of Govt and all their corruption is revealed.

List it

dundalkfc10 · 24-06-2020 10:49AM

Mortelaro wrote: »

List it

I only understand English or Irish

Mortelaro · 24-06-2020 11:17AM

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

I only understand English or Irish

I see,so you like posting unsubstantiated claims
Quelle surprise

Finty Lemon · 24-06-2020 11:48AM

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

Wonder what position we will drop when FG are out of Govt and all their corruption is revealed.

If you have evidence you should report it to the relevant authorities

blanch152 · 24-06-2020 11:49AM

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

Wonder what position we will drop when FG are out of Govt and all their corruption is revealed.

Nice way to explain the inevitable crash in the index if Sinn Fein ever end up in government, we would be lucky to be top 100 if they ever get their hands on the levers of power.

FrancieBrady · 24-06-2020 11:50AM

blanch152 wrote: »

Nice way to explain the inevitable crash in the index if Sinn Fein ever end up in government, we would be lucky to be top 100 if they ever get their hands on the levers of power.

If you have evidence you should report it to the relevant authorities

24-06-2020 12:03PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

If you have evidence you should report it to the relevant authorities

Francis, your posts are becoming more juvenile by the day.

dundalkfc10 · 24-06-2020 12:05PM

Mortelaro wrote: »

I see,so you like posting unsubstantiated claims
Quelle surprise

Same as most things said about SF

FrancieBrady · 24-06-2020 12:11PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Francis, your posts are becoming more juvenile by the day.

Why is that Maryanne84?

If you think a government is going to be so corrupt it will 'inevitably crash the index' of corruption...should you not be taking your evidence of this claim to the relevant authorities?

Mortelaro · 24-06-2020 12:23PM

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

Same as most things said about SF

Like what?

Mortelaro · 24-06-2020 12:23PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Why is that Maryanne84?

If you think a government is going to be so corrupt it will 'inevitably crash the index' of corruption...should you not be taking your evidence of this claim to the relevant authorities?

No because it hasn't happened yet

blanch152 · 24-06-2020 12:55PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

If you have evidence you should report it to the relevant authorities

How can I have evidence of something that hasn't happened yet?

I hold the opinion that if Sinn Fein get into government, the level of corruption in Ireland will increase, and we will fall down the corruption index. What in that should be reported?

Duffy the Vampire Slayer · 24-06-2020 03:19PM

Finty Lemon wrote: »

Yes indeed, 18th position in a table of 179 is a good result (top 10% thereabouts). The spread among the top 20 is small also. It puts Ireland in the same light as Belgium, Australia, Austria, Canada, Germany. You know, mature centrist democracies with a liberal social agenda and a healthy respect for free market economics.

The 'perception' index is constructed as a composite of numerous surveys and data gathering exercises compiled by reputable expert institutions globally. Arguing over the word perception is a bit like arguing over the 'theory' part in the theory of evolution.
Its not just South American countries (like the SF beloved Venezuela or Colombia) that struggle for credibility. That other pillar of SF's international brotherhood, Greece, is not to hot either.

SF don't like Colombia much. It's a very right-wing, free-market country with close ties to the US.

Is it just me or have SF vanished?

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