Is it just me or have SF vanished?

Yeah_Right · 18-06-2020 11:43AM

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

Your a perfect example of why people will vote Sinn Fein.

Is that just your way of saying that I'm sensible, thoughtful, intelligent, hard working and that I care about the direction Ireland is going in? Thank you

dundalkfc10 · 18-06-2020 11:50AM

blanch152 wrote: »

You have captured the essence of the Sinn Fein vote in that one sentence. Sinn Fein voters are against things. They could be against the government, against the man, against the poster on boards that they don't like, against the Brits, against the Prods, against the travellers, against Denis O'Brien, against Leo, against FG etc.

They are never for a positive vision.

No im part of the 56.9% who dont want FF/FG in Govt.

Id say that % is alot higher now, people who believed FF when they said they wouldnt enter with FG, would have voted others.

FrancieBrady · 18-06-2020 11:54AM

blanch152 wrote: »

If it is only "kind of the done thing", that is just a personal interpretation and you can't demand it or require it of someone else.

You certainly can't harrass them for it.

I 'asked' him/her to link to the post. He/she chose not to. You have an exaggeration issue if you think that is 'harrassing' somebody.

As for the "defended thugs" allegation, you know and I know that your definition of thugs is more limited than mine. Gerry Adams is a thug, Martin McGuinness was a thug, you have defended them countless times. No need to produce a link for what is known. Next time I proclaim the world is round and not flat, I won't be producing a link either.

Anyway, thanks for not answering the question, and not producing the link. It has only proved my point.

What 'thuggery' of Martin McGuinness or Gerry Adams have I 'defended'?

Surely you are not now portraying their contribution to politics as 'thuggery'?

I have never supported the IRA, nor any of the violence perpetrated in this country from the beginning. I have supported SF though.

You support and defend the security forces of both states who have had to resort to thuggish behaviour at times...does that make it alright me to say you have 'defended thugs'?

Of course it doesn't, get off the high horse blanch.

McMurphy · 18-06-2020 11:56AM

Yeah_Right wrote: »

Is that just your way of saying that I'm sensible, thoughtful, intelligent, hard working and that I care about the direction Ireland is going in? Thank you

Going by your post history on various threads - a partitionist too.

dundalkfc10 · 18-06-2020 11:58AM

Yeah_Right wrote: »

Is that just your way of saying that I'm sensible, thoughtful, intelligent, hard working and that I care about the direction Ireland is going in? Thank you

A Rugby Fan, Hows that ivory tower in D4 with your American Accent?

Yeah_Right · 18-06-2020 01:19PM

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

A Rugby Fan, Hows that ivory tower in D4 with your American Accent?

Yes I'm a rugby fan. And proud of it. Was that meant to be an insult?
Never lived in D4 but I did live in D6 for about 6 years. Is that close enough?
I do have a foreign accent but its never been mistaken for an American one.

Going by your post history on various threads - a partitionist too.

If not wanting to pay more taxes to fund the basket case that is NI and not wanting any part of their violent, sectarian BS makes me a Partionist, then yes I'm a Partionist.

blanch152 · 18-06-2020 01:26PM

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

A Rugby Fan, Hows that ivory tower in D4 with your American Accent?

https://www.buzz.ie/football/dundalk-derry-fight-337772

It could be worse, rather than being a rugby fan, you could be associated with this lot.

dundalkfc10 · 18-06-2020 01:31PM

Yeah_Right wrote: »

Yes I'm a rugby fan. And proud of it. Was that meant to be an insult?
Never lived in D4 but I did live in D6 for about 6 years. Is that close enough?
I do have a foreign accent but its never been mistaken for an American one.

If not wanting to pay more taxes to fund the basket case that is NI and not wanting any part of their violent, sectarian BS makes me a Partionist, then yes I'm a Partionist.

North Men, South Men comrades all
Dublin, Belfast, Cork and Donegal
We're one the one road singin along
Singin' a Soldier's Song

FrancieBrady · 18-06-2020 01:51PM

blanch152 wrote: »

https://www.buzz.ie/football/dundalk-derry-fight-337772

It could be worse, rather than being a rugby fan, you could be associated with this lot.

Or even associated with either of these two.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/gaa/fighting-breaks-out-between-dublin-and-kerry-supporters-during-final-replay-950873.html

Edgware · 18-06-2020 01:53PM

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

North Men, South Men comrades all
Dublin, Belfast, Cork and Donegal
We're one the one road singin along
Singin' a Soldier's Song

More drivel beloved of the bar stool republicans

jm08 · 18-06-2020 02:19PM

Hamsterchops wrote: »

Does every country have this dilemma

We're called this, oh no we're not because we're called that, well I don't agree with either of those names, because I say we're called something else!

Ireland, Eire, Southern Ireland, Northern Ireland, the South, the North, the Free State, 32 Counties, Six Counties, the North of Ireland, the South of Ireland, the island of Ireland. The Republic of Ireland.

Hibernia.

The problem of what Ireland is called goes back to the British Government refusing to acknowledge officially the name that Ireland choose to be called and deciding in the Ireland Act 1949 that the country formerly known as 'Eire' would now be referred to in British Law as 'Republic of Ireland' and not as 'Ireland' as named in Irish Law and Constitution.

This problem persisted until recently. Stuff like the President would not be referred to or written officially as President of Ireland by the British Government. It was just bullying. The Irish Government were well up to replying in kind (for example, any extradition requests were returned on the technicality that the request was to a country that didn't exist!

The EU recognising that the name of the country is 'Ireland' in the English language and "Eire'' in Irish language more or less made them come around to using the name that the people of Ireland had chosen for itself.

Not sure if the Ireland Act 1949 was ever changed in the UK - probably not.

jm08 · 18-06-2020 02:35PM

Yeah_Right wrote: »

Is that just your way of saying that I'm sensible, thoughtful, intelligent, hard working and that I care about the direction Ireland is going in? Thank you

You need to know where the country is coming from to know where it is going! You may have learned a lot about Ireland from history books - it would be interesting to know who wrote them?

markodaly · 18-06-2020 03:44PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Hey...maybe they don't want to talk to PBP...isn't that ok? To decide you don't want to talk to another party with a mandate?

So, SF dont want to talk to other parties who may be interested in forming a left wing government... wow! Just WOW!

Another guy talking up 'de crisis'.

Yes another election of they cannot form a government. That is how it should work according to the constitution and the democratic process.

Yes, in normal scenarios but in case you have not noticed, we are in the middle of a global pandemic so such an outcome could literally cost lives, but hey once SF increases their number of TD's so they can off and do **** all, then all will be well.

Anyway, another election comes to pass... then what. SF may have say mid 40's high 40's number of TDs.
They will need at least 3 other parties to go into government if they are not going to talk to FF.
If it is FF, then another one needs to be on board.

Then what?

Give us some sound bytes about SF will take the 'moral ground' and not be bought out by x number of Garda stations?
Yes, I am sure SF will get 100% of what they want and will not compromise on anything. :rolleyes:

FrancieBrady · 18-06-2020 03:57PM

markodaly wrote: »

So, SF dont want to talk to other parties who may be interested in forming a left wing government... wow! Just WOW!

No, I am not saying that, I am pointing up the fact that if it WAS THE case...you'd be criticising them while praising FF and FG for doing the exact same.
I.E. they cannot win

Yes, in normal scenarios but in case you have not noticed, we are in the middle of a global pandemic so such an outcome could literally cost lives, but hey once SF increases their number of TD's so they can off and do **** all, then all will be well.

Anyway, another election comes to pass... then what. SF may have say mid 40's high 40's number of TDs.
They will need at least 3 other parties to go into government if they are not going to talk to FF.
If it is FF, then another one needs to be on board.

Then what?

Give us some sound bytes about SF will take the 'moral ground' and not be bought out by x number of Garda stations?
Yes, I am sure SF will get 100% of what they want and will not compromise on anything. :rolleyes:

Stopped reading after the Covid excuse was trotted out.

A health crisis is NOT a political crisis. A political crisi is when we have run out of options...we are a long way off that.

Leo's plaintive inference that only the chosen can lead should be treated with the derision it deserves.

Yeah_Right · 18-06-2020 08:12PM

jm08 wrote: »

You need to know where the country is coming from to know where it is going! You may have learned a lot about Ireland from history books - it would be interesting to know who wrote them?

I can't remember who wrote them. Or who made the documentaries we watched. I do remember that they were from all 3 perspectives. I'd say what I learnt was a lot more balanced than the republican propaganda that you have swallowed.

rob316 · 18-06-2020 08:43PM

Waste of time this party is, fail to understand you can't make change unless you actually govern.

joeguevara · 19-06-2020 05:22AM

I have no time for any political party really. None of them really represent me. But I am sick to my back teeth of hearing this vote for change sh1te. Any one who says it me is gobsmacked when they hear FF got more seats than SF. Even worse is when they say give them a chance but disregard the north as what SF do.

Actually I am beginning to think democracy doesn’t work as it allows people who have no clue and follow social media blindly to make a decision. See U.K. and Us and who they have. A benevolent dictator is maybe a good idea. Half tongue in cheek.

Honestly as a single male who works and on higher tax bracket no party even has anything to say to me.

Hamsterchops · 19-06-2020 06:28AM

jm08 wrote: »

The problem of what Ireland is called goes back to the British Government refusing to acknowledge officially the name that Ireland choose to be called and deciding in the Ireland Act 1949 that the country formerly known as 'Eire' would now be referred to in British Law as 'Republic of Ireland' and not as 'Ireland' as named in Irish Law and Constitution.

This problem persisted until recently. Stuff like the President would not be referred to or written officially as President of Ireland by the British Government. It was just bullying. The Irish Government were well up to replying in kind (for example, any extradition requests were returned on the technicality that the request was to a country that didn't exist!

The EU recognising that the name of the country is 'Ireland' in the English language and "Eire'' in Irish language more or less made them come around to using the name that the people of Ireland had chosen for itself.

Not sure if the Ireland Act 1949 was ever changed in the UK - probably not.

Yes, and that's all well & good, but "Ireland" still means the 26 counties, and the President of Ireland is the president of this State, and not the whole islsnd, hence the clarification of The Republic of Ireland, meaning that territory outside the jurisdiction of the United Kingdom of Great Britain & Norther Ireland, who have their own monarch in the form of QEII.

smurgen · 19-06-2020 08:23AM

jh79 wrote: »

You also provided a link to rte and said that changed things. How did it change things?

Was this before or after RTE presented Michael Conlon with the sports personality of the year award ceremony? In all fairness this is about the most tenuous of linking I've seen.

smurgen · 19-06-2020 08:26AM

Yeah_Right wrote: »

Yes I'm a rugby fan. And proud of it. Was that meant to be an insult?
Never lived in D4 but I did live in D6 for about 6 years. Is that close enough?
I do have a foreign accent but its never been mistaken for an American one.

If not wanting to pay more taxes to fund the basket case that is NI and not wanting any part of their violent, sectarian BS makes me a Partionist, then yes I'm a Partionist.

NI is a basket case by design.

Poor_old_gill · 19-06-2020 08:28AM

rob316 wrote: »

Waste of time this party is, fail to understand you can't make change unless you actually govern.

But you can complain, a lot.

That’s fun too- nothing more enjoyable than being smug with no responsibility

Hamsterchops · 19-06-2020 11:00AM

McMurphy wrote: »

Going by your post history on various threads - a partitionist too.

But what is the definition of a partitionist?

Somebody who accepts the internationally recognised boundary between the UK and the ROI, or somebody who doesn't? Please explain.

blanch152 · 19-06-2020 11:13AM

Hamsterchops wrote: »

But what is the definition of a partitionist?

Somebody who accepts the internationally recognised boundary between the UK and the ROI, or somebody who doesn't? Please explain.

Partitionist n. a term of abuse for.....

someone who is a lesser Irish person because they do not want to see an immediate reunification of the country regardless of the consequences

someone who is a lesser Irish person because they do not support Sinn Fein policy on a united Ireland

someone who is a lesser Irish person because they believe that an inclusive approach to a united Ireland requires the consent of the unionist population as well as the nationalist population

someone who is a lesser Irish person because they believe that the cost of a united Ireland is too large a burden to place on the ordinary Irish person and that the hardship created is not worth it for symbolic reasons

someone who is a lesser Irish person because they believe that identity is not tied to territory and are indifferent about a united Ireland because it is linked to tired old concepts of nationhood and possession of territory

There are probably some other examples that can be given to refine the definition.

Hamsterchops · 19-06-2020 11:25AM

Thought so.

So it's an abusive term

JohnnyFlash · 19-06-2020 11:26AM

A couple of the 1st time SF voters must have slept in this morning.....

FrancieBrady · 19-06-2020 11:34AM

In Ireland, partitionism (Irish: críochdheighiltíocht) refers to views on Irish politics, culture, geography, or history that treat Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland as distinct. Partitionists may emphasise the perceived differences between the two jurisdictions and the people who live within them.

blackwhite · 19-06-2020 11:37AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

In Ireland, partitionism (Irish: críochdheighiltíocht) refers to views on Irish politics, culture, geography, or history that treat Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland as distinct. Partitionists may emphasise the perceived differences between the two jurisdictions and the people who live within them.

You mean like the SF cheerleaders who repeatedly tell anyone from the South that they aren’t qualified to comment on anything in the North because “you don’t know what it’s like” ?

19-06-2020 11:37AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

In Ireland, partitionism (Irish: críochdheighiltíocht) refers to views on Irish politics, culture, geography, or history that treat Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland as distinct. Partitionists may emphasise the perceived differences between the two jurisdictions and the people who live within them.

So pretty much everybody is a partitionist bar Dissident Republicans.

Hamsterchops · 19-06-2020 11:38AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

In Ireland, partitionism (Irish: críochdheighiltíocht) refers to views on Irish politics, culture, geography, or history that treat Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland as distinct. Partitionists may emphasise the perceived differences between the two jurisdictions and the people who live within them.

Cool, hands up, I'm a partitionist too

NI is a separate region within the United Kingdom, and as such has a distinct culture and affinity different to that (obviously) of the Republic of Ireland.

FrancieBrady · 19-06-2020 11:40AM

blackwhite wrote: »

You mean like the SF cheerleaders who repeatedly tell anyone from the South that they aren’t qualified to comment on anything in the North because “you don’t know what it’s like” ?

Rarely if ever see that happening blackwhite.

You are more likely around here to read a partitionist insisting what they believe it 'is like' is 'what' it is like, than anything else. You know the ones who insist the comparison to normal governments is valid etc?

Is it just me or have SF vanished?

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