Beef AI/Bulls MEGATHREAD

essgee268 · 17-06-2020 02:39PM

tanko wrote: »

What’s he like for calving?

Used Derreen Declan here a bit, decent heifers but very plain bulls, easy calved but wouldn’t use him again.

I think Earp is a very good bull, not the milkiest but good muscle and shape to them, easy calved on cows.

EASY SO FAR, HAVE USED HIM MORE THIS YEAR. CALFS ARE VERY GOOD AND GREAT COLOUR. His SIRE Wizard is a great bull with loads of Milk

essgee268 · 17-06-2020 02:41PM

tanko wrote: »

You’d want plenty of muscle and shape in a heifer/cow to be using fifty cent on.
He breeds very average cattle with bad ends off plain animals.
I wouldn’t be a fan of him anyway, Sunnyboy was a far better bull.

How are Fiftycent Daughters for Milk. they thrive very well but not great shape surely

squinn2912 · 17-06-2020 02:47PM

Neo Sanders wrote: »

hopefully the pics are there now

That’s some cow to do that job and she’s in good condition herself. You’d want to wean them very soon. They’re super calves. What’s her breeding?

Neo Sanders · 17-06-2020 02:50PM

tanko wrote: »

The poor cow, she must be well sick of them by now. She’s done a great job on them.
What’s Gunshot like for calving?

ha ha...yeah she'd kick them off if she could, I'd say....they'll be coming off this weekend, she's due to calve again in late august...

I had 4 cows to gunshot last year and all calved unassisted.

Neo Sanders · 17-06-2020 02:52PM

squinn2912 wrote: »

That’s some cow to do that job and she’s in good condition herself. You’d want to wean them very soon. They’re super calves. What’s her breeding?

she a great cow... out of a bwh and by a glebefarm tyson son....she's a big lady 900Kg

Neo Sanders · 17-06-2020 03:07PM

Neo Sanders wrote: »

hopefully the pics are there now

Lads,

I'm thinking of keeping the red one as a bull to breed replacements. He's polled also.

Am I mad or is it worth a go? There's a great dam line going back and he's a good shapey SI, with nice markings?

What do you lads think?

essgee268 · 17-06-2020 03:31PM

Neo Sanders wrote: »

ha ha...yeah she'd kick them off if she could, I'd say....they'll be coming off this weekend, she's due to calve again in late august...

I had 4 cows to gunshot last year and all calved unassisted.

I m sure they are unassisted with them plebs on for 9 Months.

Great Stock

squinn2912 · 18-06-2020 04:28PM

Neo Sanders wrote: »

Lads,

I'm thinking of keeping the red one as a bull to breed replacements. He's polled also.

Am I mad or is it worth a go? There's a great dam line going back and he's a good shapey SI, with nice markings?

What do you lads think?

Great calf but personally I’d have reservations about keeping on a twin bull

Neo Sanders · 18-06-2020 06:34PM

squinn2912 wrote: »

Great calf but personally I’d have reservations about keeping on a twin bull

Why not a twin? You don't want more twins, if it's in the breed?

Actually I had 5 cows to gunshot last year, and there was 2 sets of twin bulls out of the 5 and 3 single heifirs. One of the others twins was born dead though.

Blamed myself as she had a very short dry period, and she was a 3yo second calver. So might have been a bit too hard on her.

I was wondering if lads would consider keeping a commercial calf for breeding?

tanko · 18-06-2020 07:07PM

It would want to be an exceptional animal to work well.
Quality can be variable and all sorts of colors can result.

Sugarbowl · 18-06-2020 10:07PM

What causes twins in cows? Is it the cow, the bull or a combination? I was talking to my vet about this as I’ve a cow who has a habit of throwing twins but I couldn’t get a conclusive answer from him.

squinn2912 · 18-06-2020 10:33PM

tanko wrote: »

It would want to be an exceptional animal to work well.
Quality can be variable and all sorts of colors can result.

I’d agree with Tanko here. I’d be afraid of a heap of twins too with him.

Neo Sanders · 18-06-2020 10:43PM

Sugarbowl wrote: »

What causes twins in cows? Is it the cow, the bull or a combination? I was talking to my vet about this as I’ve a cow who has a habit of throwing twins but I couldn’t get a conclusive answer from him.

Think it's in the breed in some situations, from either sire or dam. Sometimes it could be other factors. I had 5 sets last year, which is more than the previous 15 years combined. The vet reckoned the good weather in the autumn of 2018 when the autumn calvers were being bulled was the main reason

Neo Sanders · 18-06-2020 10:53PM

squinn2912 wrote: »

I’d agree with Tanko here. I’d be afraid of a heap of twins too with him.

Interesting to hear your views. Think I'm going to give him a go on about 10 cows. I've a good pb charolais bull that'll look after most of the herd. I'm thinking this lad will bring heifers for replacements..... Think I'd be happy to have heaps of twins.... My cows are fairly miky..... Time will tell...

charolais0153 · 18-06-2020 11:17PM

squinn2912 wrote: »

I’d agree with Tanko here. I’d be afraid of a heap of twins too with him.

No, that bulls progeny would have a higher proportion of twins but not him.

bogman_bass · 18-06-2020 11:36PM

It’s the cow. She needs to produce an extra egg when she ovulates

squinn2912 · 19-06-2020 12:19AM

Neo Sanders wrote: »

Interesting to hear your views. Think I'm going to give him a go on about 10 cows. I've a good pb charolais bull that'll look after most of the herd. I'm thinking this lad will bring heifers for replacements..... Think I'd be happy to have heaps of twins.... My cows are fairly miky..... Time will tell...

Well sure give him a go and see what happens. Be very interesting to see what way it works out you should make a thread and update us. What breeding is your ch bull, I presume you get most of your replacements another way? Ai sim?

Hard Knocks · 19-06-2020 07:18AM

charolais0153 wrote: »

No, that bulls progeny would have a higher proportion of twins but not him.

The say twins come in mothers side, but interesting to see how you get on

Neo Sanders · 19-06-2020 09:25AM

squinn2912 wrote: »

Well sure give him a go and see what happens. Be very interesting to see what way it works out you should make a thread and update us. What breeding is your ch bull, I presume you get most of your replacements another way? Ai sim?

I'll get back in a couple of years, please God.... and let you know how it goes... To be honest I think he'll breed good replacements, because I know his mother and grandma tick all the boxes. And gunshot seems to be good also.

Only have first crop of calves from the ch and very happy. Plan on keeping him as long as possible. So won't keep his heifers on. The plan is to keep the twin for a few years, get round 20 heifirs from him and move him on then. Mostly keep si cows.

The ch is by Vera Cruz and dam by inverlocy ferdie..... He's very easy calved, no problem on 2yo heifers and nice shapey calves. I'll attach a picture of him.

Neo Sanders · 19-06-2020 09:58AM

squinn2912 wrote: »

Well sure give him a go and see what happens. Be very interesting to see what way it works out you should make a thread and update us. What breeding is your ch bull, I presume you get most of your replacements another way? Ai sim?

New thread created, 'keeping a crossbred stock bull'

patsy_mccabe · 19-06-2020 10:41AM

Funny but neighbour here has heifer by LISNACRANN FIFTY CENT and she is a beauty. She should make a great cow.

Hard Knocks · 19-06-2020 11:00AM

Neo Sanders wrote: »

I'll get back in a couple of years, please God.... and let you know how it goes... To be honest I think he'll breed good replacements, because I know his mother and grandma tick all the boxes. And gunshot seems to be good also.

Only have first crop of calves from the ch and very happy. Plan on keeping him as long as possible. So won't keep his heifers on. The plan is to keep the twin for a few years, get round 20 heifirs from him and move him on then. Mostly keep si cows.

The ch is by Vera Cruz and dam by inverlocy ferdie..... He's very easy calved, no problem on 2yo heifers and nice shapey calves. I'll attach a picture of him.

Super bull and VCZ was easy calving
Good plan on not keeping the CH heifers, they’re worth allot as weanlings and you’ll have the SI
CHxSI is a great cross & the milkier the dam the better
Best of luck & be good to hear how you get on

tanko · 19-06-2020 02:20PM

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Funny but neighbour here has heifer by LISNACRANN FIFTY CENT and she is a beauty. She should make a great cow.

What type of a cow is she out off?

patsy_mccabe · 19-06-2020 03:05PM

tanko wrote: »

What type of a cow is she out off?

She's a simmental herself out of a Lim. Don't know what simm bull. Guy that bought last years heifer from the same cow, has her booked to buy already.
I'm trying to convince him to keep her.

SuperTeeJay · 19-06-2020 11:13PM

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Funny but neighbour here has heifer by LISNACRANN FIFTY CENT and she is a beauty. She should make a great cow.

Fifty Cent heifer off a purebred Saler cow.Intend to keep her and AI her back to a saler again.

Sugarbowl · 19-06-2020 11:31PM

SuperTeeJay wrote: »

Fifty Cent heifer off a purebred Saler cow.Intend to keep her and AI her back to a saler again.

Looks like a fine heifer. What age is she there? When do you plan on putting her in calf?

SuperTeeJay · 20-06-2020 12:46AM

Sugarbowl wrote: »

Looks like a fine heifer. What age is she there? When do you plan on putting her in calf?

That's her as she is now today at 14 months.She was outwintered.Will prob ai her and 6 others in Aug/Sept.Dont mind a few late ones.Havent the room yet to have all calving jan to march.

farming93 · 20-06-2020 07:25AM

SuperTeeJay wrote: »

Fifty Cent heifer off a purebred Saler cow.Intend to keep her and AI her back to a saler again.

Would you not find the calf would be too leggy if you ai her to a saler again? Lovely heifer though.

Neo Sanders · 20-06-2020 09:09AM

SuperTeeJay wrote: »

Fifty Cent heifer off a purebred Saler cow.Intend to keep her and AI her back to a saler again.

She takes after her mother's people... I think a limo would be the job for her

essgee268 · 20-06-2020 09:52AM

farming93 wrote: »

Would you not find the calf would be too leggy if you ai her to a saler again? Lovely heifer though.

had a leggy 16 month old KKB salers heifer that was fund of visiting on heat so we gave her MIKADO red angus and she has a lovely red angus heifer. she was on heat yesterday after 30 days thinking of FISTON in 3 weeks time any sugestions

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