Covid19 Part XVIII-25,473 in ROI(1,736 deaths) 5,760 in NI (551 deaths)(30/06)Read OP

Plumbthedepths · 18-06-2020 11:24AM

phater phagan wrote: »

I can't believe that masks are not being made mandatory on public transport.
It's a no-brainer.

It would have been easier to get people on board with the idea of wearing masks in March when deaths and infections were raising bit difficult now in the present climate tbh.

stephenjmcd · 18-06-2020 11:30AM

shinzon wrote: »

These are the first set of guideline for when pubs reopen.

The guidelines for pubs state:

- Disposable or laminated menus that can be easily cleaned should be used.

- Single use rather than shared condiments should be provided.

- Customers should be seated at a table except when using the toilet, paying and departing.

- Regular announcements will be made to remind customers to follow social distancing advice and clean their hands regularly.

- Smoking areas should have limited capacity.

- A strict queuing system should be in place for toilets to ensure physical distancing.

- Straws should be individually wrapped.

- Decoration of drink glasses (e.g. cocktail umbrellas) should be minimised.

- Details of one person from each group must be retained by the pub for one month.

- Carvery lunches are allowed but must operate a one-way system.

Its quite strange that theres no mention of the elephant in the room which is the amount of drink a table can order during there meal. Your going to get people wanting to get pissed and once that happens your pretty much guaranteed all rules out the window.

Shin

These aren't guidelines for pubs, they're guidelines for pubs operating as restaurants which they have to for 3 weeks.
Separate guidelines from 20th July to be issued appearently.

Firstly because they know the 105 minute thing just won't happen when pubs reopen on July 20th.

As for how much drink, as much as you want with your meal in 105 minutes until the 20th July.

After 20th July the rules will be out the window anyway, your not going to have any publican kicking out locals after 105 minutes to start with.

stephenjmcd · 18-06-2020 11:31AM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

I want masks worn in a confined space as well. I realize that restaurants and pubs are different with people eating and drinking. But you wear a mask when you have to. The only time it comes off is when you're feeding yourself.

That doesn't even happen elsewhere in Europe. They wear masks when entering if seated inside, take them off while seated and put them on if they want to move around such as to go to the toilets.

Plumbthedepths · 18-06-2020 11:32AM

rob316 wrote: »

My advice is if your that concerned don't go into a confined space. Much like the people who jump out your way or run away in the supermarket for coming towards them.

I'm not concerned at all , if you took the time to read my last two comments you would know I was asking a poster about their desire for masks to be made mandatory in all confined spaces.

shinzon · 18-06-2020 11:33AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

These aren't guidelines for pubs, they're guidelines for pubs operating as restaurants which they have to for 3 weeks.
Separate guidelines from 20th July to be issued appearently.

Firstly because they know the 105 minute thing just won't happen when pubs reopen on July 20th.

As for how much drink, as much as you want with your meal in 105 minutes until the 20th July

https://www.independent.ie/incoming/pubs-will-be-required-to-collect-contact-details-of-drinkers-when-they-reopen-on-june-29-39294599.html?fbclid=IwAR2aSMG7r8RFfdikiXv_xFnmkBQS-SmHwZFiBWRsiKi27ZNNR92Fd_ynKa8

Pubs will be required to collect contact details of drinkers when they reopen on June 29

stephenjmcd · 18-06-2020 11:37AM

shinzon wrote: »

https://www.independent.ie/incoming/pubs-will-be-required-to-collect-contact-details-of-drinkers-when-they-reopen-on-june-29-39294599.html?fbclid=IwAR2aSMG7r8RFfdikiXv_xFnmkBQS-SmHwZFiBWRsiKi27ZNNR92Fd_ynKa8

Its not a pub, it might look like a pub but for 3 weeks until 20th July its a restaurant when you open the door to go in

phater phagan · 18-06-2020 11:37AM

I live in Killarney and my relatives and close friends are in Co. Louth. The occasional trip to the pub was a necessity for me and I'm beginning to feel the effects of isolation strongly now. I'm counting the days until the travel restrictions are lifted when I can go up to see my family and friends. Three months of isolation is like a jail sentence for me, and the idea of another lockdown absolutely terrifies me.
I can only hope the medical industry can come up with a solution sooner rather than later. For sanity's sake.

Kermit.de.frog · 18-06-2020 11:38AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

After 20th July the rules will be out the window anyway, your not going to have any publican kicking out locals after 105 minutes to start with.

Then they will be closed again. If we start seeing pictures of packed pubs as we saw on one particular occasion at the beginning of March.

We are not putting our health, economy and livelihoods at risk so that people can get pissed in pubs.

That much should be fairly obvious.

Away With The Fairies · 18-06-2020 11:39AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

That doesn't even happen elsewhere in Europe. They wear masks when entering if seated inside, take them off while seated and put them on if they want to move around such as to go to the toilets.

Your post isn't clear. What doesn't happen in Europe? Then you go to say that they wear masks when entering and take them off while seated. That's exactly what I said about wearing masks inside pubs and restaurants.

speckle · 18-06-2020 11:39AM

Found this article re Portugals case plateau getting stuckand not coming down to the foot of the mountain.

https://www.politico.eu/article/portugal-cant-shake-the-virus-even-at-the-beach-coronavirus-covid19/

stephenjmcd · 18-06-2020 11:41AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Then they will be closed again. If we start seeing pictures of packed pubs as we saw on one particular occasion at the end of March.

We are not putting our health, economy and livelihoods at risk so that people can get pissed in pubs.

That much should be fairly obvious.

Your entitled to your opinion but if you think any sector of the economy will be shut down again for a prolonged period of time your living in the clouds, now if case numbers go up again and clusters are linked to any business at all, be it pubs, retail outlets whatever then yes localised clousures for sure.

A blanket closure just won't happen.

You actually think a publican is going to say to a local on 20th July that arrives in at 9pm, come 10.45pm sorry out the door you go ? No chance

You wont see pictures of packed pubs either. If theres no seats at tables sorry we're full

Plumbthedepths · 18-06-2020 11:41AM

phater phagan wrote: »

I live in Killarney and my relatives and close friends are in Co. Louth. The occasional trip to the pub was a necessity for me and I'm beginning to feel the effects of isolation strongly now. I'm counting the days until the travel restrictions are lifted when I can go up to see my family and friends. Three months of isolation is like a jail sentence for me, and the idea of another lockdown absolutely terrifies me.
I can only hope the medical industry can come up with a solution sooner rather than later. For sanity's sake.

Absolutely nothing stopping you making an essential trip to see a family member only yourself.

Dayjur · 18-06-2020 11:42AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Then they will be closed again. If we start seeing pictures of packed pubs as we saw on one particular occasion at the beginning of March.

We are not putting our health, economy and livelihoods at risk so that people can get pissed in pubs.

That much should be fairly obvious.

stay at home all you want nobody cares

stephenjmcd · 18-06-2020 11:43AM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Your post isn't clear. What doesn't happen in Europe? Then you go to say that they wear masks when entering and take them off while seated. That's exactly what I said about wearing masks inside pubs and restaurants.

How is it not clear ??

You want people to wear masks at all times except when eating.

As I've stated that doesn't happen in Europe. In EU countries, you enter the premises with a mask on, you sit at your table with it off, regardless of if your eating or not. You only put the mask back on if your moving out of your seat.

joeguevara · 18-06-2020 11:44AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Then they will be closed again. If we start seeing pictures of packed pubs as we saw on one particular occasion at the beginning of March.

We are not putting our health, economy and livelihoods at risk so that people can get pissed in pubs.

That much should be fairly obvious.

Big difference between now and March is that we knew in March that the virus was rampant and cases increasing exponentially. Now, the virus is pretty much non-existent (for now). The only way that things will be closed again is if there is a spike in cases. They just won't stop pubs being packed for the sake of it if there is no obligation or legal statute to do so.

hmmm · 18-06-2020 11:44AM

shinzon wrote: »

Its quite strange that theres no mention of the elephant in the room which is the amount of drink a table can order during there meal. Your going to get people wanting to get pissed and once that happens your pretty much guaranteed all rules out the window.

If someone is pissed and stays sitting, it's not a problem. If they stand up and start going around visiting other tables they're now a problem.

I think people are forgetting this is a phased re-opening of society, and there is no guarantee we move to the later stages. The next stage is essentially restaurants - if we see a spike in cases as a consequence, we won't be moving to the stage afterwards where pubs can open (just for the purpose of getting a drink). It's in the interest of the industry to manage the next phase properly, because every pub is at risk if a spike in new cases can be traced back to pubs. They are not going to want people falling around the place blind drunk, or even roaring and shouting at a TV when someone is trying to have a meal with granny and the family.

Kermit.de.frog · 18-06-2020 11:47AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Your entitled to your opinion but if you think any sector of the economy will be shut down again for a prolonged period of time your living in the clouds, now if case numbers go up again and clusters are linked to any business at all, be it pubs, retail outlets whatever then yes localised clousures for sure.

A blanket closure just won't happen.

You actually think a publican is going to say to a local on 20th July that arrives in at 9pm, come 10.45pm sorry out the door you go ? No chance

Then they won't open. Pubs will be inspected and those who don't follow the rules will be outed on social media anyway.

If you believe we will be seeing images of packed pubs you are seriously mistaken.

Next time this country has to shut up shop the majority of them won't reopen and most sensible publicans know that which is why most will follow the rules.

The pubs that don't will be told to close.

speckle · 18-06-2020 11:47AM

phater phagan wrote: »

I live in Killarney and my relatives and close friends are in Co. Louth. The occasional trip to the pub was a necessity for me and I'm beginning to feel the effects of isolation strongly now. I'm counting the days until the travel restrictions are lifted when I can go up to see my family and friends. Three months of isolation is like a jail sentence for me, and the idea of another lockdown absolutely terrifies me.
I can only hope the medical industry can come up with a solution sooner rather than later. For sanity's sake.

Only 11 days to go until you can travel up country you can do it, you have made it this far.
However if your mental health is detriorating badly maybe get a letter from your GP for an exemption?
There is a boards thread for covid and mental health with a sticky for helplines. Take care of yourself.

phater phagan · 18-06-2020 11:49AM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Absolutely nothing stopping you making an essential trip to see a family member only yourself.

I thought travel is restricted to within the county until 20 km outside the borders.
Louth is over 350 Km from Killarney. What do I say to the Garda if I'm stopped?

A poster on Boards.ie told me it was ok to travel?

joeguevara · 18-06-2020 11:49AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Then they won't open. Pubs will be inspected and those who don't follow the rules will be outed on social media anyway.

If you believe we will be seeing images of packed pubs you are seriously mistaken.

Next time this country has to shut up shop the majority of them won't reopen and most sensible publicans know that which is why most will follow the rules.

The pubs that don't will be told to close.

Im in agreement with you in essence but there are a number of issues. There are no rules. There are only guidelines. Cannot shut anything for guidelines. Publicans were more often than not sensible for closing before they were forced to last time. I don't think they will follow senseless guidelines without any basis.

Plumbthedepths · 18-06-2020 11:50AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Then they will be closed again. If we start seeing pictures of packed pubs as we saw on one particular occasion at the beginning of March.

We are not putting our health, economy and livelihoods at risk so that people can get pissed in pubs.

That much should be fairly obvious.

Nope it's just your opinion.

Away With The Fairies · 18-06-2020 11:50AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

How is it not clear ??

You want people to wear masks at all times except when eating.

As I've stated that doesn't happen in Europe. In EU countries, you enter the premises with a mask on, you sit at your table with it off, regardless of if your eating or not. You only put the mask back on if your moving out of your seat.

And did you fail to see my previous post? This is exactly what I wrote.

Walk into pub with face mask on.
Sit down, order food.
Wait for order to be brought to table.
Sanitize hands.
Take off mask and place into plastic bag.
Sanitize hands again.
Eat food/drink.
When finished, sanitize hands again and put on a clean face mask.

Need to go to the toilet? Sanitize hands and put on a clean face mask. Go back to your table and sanitize hands and take off mask and put into plastic bag.

stephenjmcd · 18-06-2020 11:53AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Then they won't open. Pubs will be inspected and those who don't follow the rules will be outed on social media anyway.

If you believe we will be seeing images of packed pubs you are seriously mistaken.

Next time this country has to shut up shop the majority of them won't reopen and most sensible publicans know that which is why most will follow the rules.

The pubs that don't will be told to close.

Go back and read my post. Last line, you won't see pictures of packed pubs, no seats at tables left then your not getting in quite simple.

As I've said if you think any publican will tell the local who's been coming for years after 20th July to leave after 105 minutes then your very much so mistaken. All well and good when operating as a restaurant but not when actual pubs reopen in July.

"Next time this country has to shut up shop" - I actually think you enjoy the prospect of that happening

Plumbthedepths · 18-06-2020 11:54AM

phater phagan wrote: »

A poster on Boards.ie told me it was ok to travel?

Actually if you took the time to educate yourself you would know an essential journey to a family member regardless of distance was always allowed, also the AGS no longer has the power to turn you around only to advise you but the power of arrest is gone.
I always find that looking for answers is better than being a smart arse, that's just me though.

Kermit.de.frog · 18-06-2020 11:54AM

Dayjur wrote: »

stay at home all you want nobody cares

You will care when the country is shut down again.

There is no superior way to spread coronavirus quick as lightning in this society than through packed pubs.

And you'd be among the first to say - "why did the publicans do that?", "why did the government allow them to open?" Etc etc

The story writes itself...if people want to be stupid it's their prerogative, just don't expect any sympathy.

phater phagan · 18-06-2020 11:54AM

speckle wrote: »

Only 11 days to go until you can travel up country you can do it, you have made it this far.
However if your mental health is detriorating badly maybe get a letter from your GP for an exemption?
There is a boards thread for covid and mental health with a sticky for helplines. Take care of yourself.

Thanks Speckle. I'm good. I've been coping well with early morning runs in the National Park here and phone calls to my family.
I'm getting ready now to enjoy all that I'm missing in a week or so.
Stay safe and well yourself.

stephenjmcd · 18-06-2020 11:55AM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

And did you fail to see my previous post? This is exactly what I wrote.

Walk into pub with face mask on.
Sit down, order food.
Wait for order to be brought to table.
Sanitize hands.
Take off mask and place into plastic bag.
Sanitize hands again.
Eat food/drink.
When finished, sanitize hands again and put on a clean face mask.

Need to go to the toilet? Sanitize hands and put on a clean face mask. Go back to your table and sanitize hands and take off mask and put into plastic bag.

you have face mask on until your food arrives, that doesn't happen in EU countries. Face mask can come off as soon as your seated which is my whole point. So long as your seated in bars in France for example you don't need to wear one. In the door sit down and mask off until you want to go to the toilets

hmmm · 18-06-2020 11:55AM

joeguevara wrote: »

Im in agreement with you in essence but there are a number of issues. There are no rules. There are only guidelines. Cannot shut anything for guidelines. Publicans were more often than not sensible for closing before they were forced to last time. I don't think they will follow senseless guidelines without any basis.

Pubs closed voluntarily during March because public opinion turned (pretty violently) against them and the small group of customers who ignored the public mood. It wasn't the government that shut them down.

Any sensible publican would want to avoid similar scenes over the next few weeks and months. For most people the virus is something they are still concerned about and want to keep under control.

Plumbthedepths · 18-06-2020 11:57AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

You will care when the country is shut down again.

There is no superior way to spread coronavirus quick as lightning in this society than through packed pubs.

And you'd be among the first to say - "why did the publicans do that?", "why did the government allow them to open?" Etc etc

The story writes itself...if people want to stupid it's their prerogative, just don't expect any sympathy.

Dr Holohan and the government has said on a few occasions that the country will not be locked down again even if a second wave occurs. People would be better listening to those that make the decisions instead of someone who wishes to post negativity at every opportunity.

is_that_so · 18-06-2020 12:00PM

phater phagan wrote: »

I thought travel is restricted to within the county until 20 km outside the borders.
Louth is over 350 Km from Killarney. What do I say to the Garda if I'm stopped?

A poster on Boards.ie told me it was ok to travel?

I know someone who went into the local Gardai to ask about visiting a relative recovering from some minor operation and they agreed it was essential. If you feel you need to do it that's the excuse. But it's only 7 working days to Phase 3 and freedom to travel.

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