Covid19 Part XVIII-25,473 in ROI(1,736 deaths) 5,760 in NI (551 deaths)(30/06)Read OP

Boggles · 18-06-2020 09:11AM

is_that_so wrote: »

Well, the HSE are looking at revamping pretty much everything, including the patched up testing system and the care home sector. The approach in future would be to hit it hard if it reappears. More tools will come on-stream to help with that.

Such as?

is_that_so · 18-06-2020 09:22AM

Boggles wrote: »

Such as?

Better knowledge, more treatments, more focused localised approach, rapid response, tracing apps and better protection for at risk environments.

Plumbthedepths · 18-06-2020 09:23AM

Boggles wrote: »

Sorry I meant screeching.

He wasn't screeching either, advise is what I have read and heard. Maybe screeching is how you feel he was behaving although I thought you were against 'feelings'.

What Username Guidelines · 18-06-2020 09:24AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

HSE Operations report just released.

As of 18:30 21 in ICU, an increase of 1 on the previous 24hrs.

As of 8pm 50 paitents in general beds, down 12 on yesterday.

Shame about ICU after no admissions since June 9th, but dropping another 12 in general beds is really positive. I thought it would slow a lot more at these lower numbers, yet 20% less than the day before.

stephenjmcd · 18-06-2020 09:27AM

What Username Guidelines wrote: »

Shame about ICU after no admissions since June 9th, but dropping another 12 in general beds is really positive. I thought it would slow a lot more at these lower numbers, yet 20% less than the day before.

Yeah I thought if it hit 50 on Friday we would be doing well. Hopefully 40 or less for the weekend

caveat emptor · 18-06-2020 09:55AM

thelad95 wrote: »

Realistically every country is going to have cluster outbreaks here and there but life will just have to continue alongside them. Most developed countries have their **** together when it comes to contact tracing and getting people to isolate so clusters aren't much of a concern in the grand scheme of things.

If our numbers continue in the current vein we could well see a day soon where we have under 100 active known cases which for all intents and purposes is pretty much a total eradication.

The two travellers to New Zealand show that realistically no country can fully suppress and eliminate the virus until a proper vaccine is found. The simple objective has to be to avoid the health service getting over run and if this continues, COVID will actually begin to slip off the news. Don't forget there's a US presidential election this year and Fianna Fail are back in government.

It also shows that having people quarantine at least gives a country a fighting chance at containing a damaging outbreak.

The PM there has changed the leadership of the quarantine / border operations as a result of the failing. The two people apparently left the quarantine facility and saw friends before testing positive.

If that happened here. There’s no real check , there’s no real quarantine. God knows how many people would have been exposed before they got a test result back. In their case you are depending on people to do the right thing. Most will but you only need a couple not to and it’s seeds a new outbreak.

Hector Savage · 18-06-2020 10:03AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Most western european countries implemented proper lockdown.

Many other places did not.

The gains are only temporary for those who took the measures.

Ultimately life has changed until a definitive vaccine can be produced and that's not certain. But they'll soldier on.

The positive thing is that at this stage the population is getting adjusted to the changes in society.

There are some mandatory actions that need to be introduced like on face masks but I think the public are adjusting well.

18-06-2020 10:12AM

Boggles wrote: »

Mandatory masks have been removed for outdoors.

The are still mandatory indoors.

WTF?

No, they work it's irrefutable, it's nothing to do with feelings or emotions FFS!

It's the reason Harris has spent the last week screaming at people to wear them after spending 3 months convincing us they were useless and could actually spread the infection.

I'm sorry, but its not irrefutable, otherwise Czech Republic etc would have lower transmission rates than we do. What I believe is being done is public health are trying to get the use of masks ingrained, so that as things get back towards normal, having widespread use of masks will be a useful additional tool to help avoid lockdown / keep public transport running etc. in the event of a significant new outbreak

is_that_so · 18-06-2020 10:13AM

The latest Chinese outbreak is a puzzle.

The link to the market has triggered comparisons to the seafood market in Wuhan that played a role at the early stages of the pandemic, and speculation that the virus arrived in fish imported from Europe. But the real source of the outbreak is still a mystery.

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/06/source-beijing-s-big-new-covid-19-outbreak-still-mystery

What Username Guidelines · 18-06-2020 10:21AM

is_that_so wrote: »

The latest Chinese outbreak is a puzzle.

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/06/source-beijing-s-big-new-covid-19-outbreak-still-mystery

I found it interesting that the patient in France, who they retrospectively discovered was infected mid-december, was a fishmonger. Media seem to focus more on his wife working in a supermarket near Charles De Gaulle Airport.

Cork Boy 53 · 18-06-2020 10:27AM

The wearing of masks on public transport and in enclosed public spaces needs to be made mandatory. No more pussyfooting around the issue just bring it in. Exemptions from wearing masks can be given to anyone with genuine medical issues re.the use of them provided they have certificates stating this.

phater phagan · 18-06-2020 10:33AM

I don't understand why so many people are not wearing face masks when they're shopping.
They must be watching too much fox news.
I wear one and have no problem with it. I take it off when I get back into my car.
It is a simple thing to do and it does stop the infections spreading.

Kermit.de.frog · 18-06-2020 10:35AM

Denmark looking to open up to countries with low infection rates around Europe.

They have ruled out Portugal and Sweden for consideration.

We tend to overlook the situation in Portugal which continues to report 100's of new cases per day.

Meanwhile, Indonesia reports it's highest daily case load yet with 1,337 new cases.

South Korea reported 59 new cases overnight.

Australia has announced it will not reopen its borders to foreign travel until next year.

Cork Boy 53 · 18-06-2020 10:39AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Denmark looking to open up to countries with low infection rates around Europe.

They have ruled out Portugal and Sweden for consideration.

We tend to overlook the situation in Portugal which continues to report 100's of new cases per day.

Meanwhile, Indonesia reports it's highest daily case load yet with 1,337 new cases.

South Korea reported 59 new cases overnight.

Australia has announced it will not reopen its borders to foreign travel until next year.

Also Quantas Airlines has announced it will continue to ground all international flights with the exception of those to and from NZ.

Plumbthedepths · 18-06-2020 10:45AM

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

The wearing of masks on public transport and in enclosed public spaces needs to be made mandatory. No more pussyfooting around the issue just bring it in. Exemptions from wearing masks can be given to anyone with genuine medical issues re.the use of them provided they have certificates stating this.

How will the mandatory wearing of masks in Pubs or Restaurants work? These are enclosed public spaces.

stargazer 68 · 18-06-2020 10:48AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Australia has announced it will not reopen its borders to foreign travel until next year.

A friend of mine lives in Australia and was told by a Doctor back at the end of March that it would be March 2021 before they will be able to travel again (I posted it back then in another thread I think) - looks like that Dr was right.

speckle · 18-06-2020 10:57AM

What Username Guidelines wrote: »

I found it interesting that the patient in France, who they retrospectively discovered was infected mid-december, was a fishmonger. Media seem to focus more on his wife working in a supermarket near Charles De Gaulle Airport.

Seafood even cropped up elsewhere if I remember early on when they where looking for an intermediate host species then dissapeared from the radar. I remember at the time saying that people should stay away from dophins incase they were asymtomatic or pre symtomatic and it would make the dophins sick. No proof yet at all that seafood has anything to do with covid.

Non solum non ambulabit · 18-06-2020 10:59AM

is_that_so wrote: »

Better knowledge, more treatments, more focused localised approach, rapid response, tracing apps and better protection for at risk environments.

Totally agree. We have learnt an awful lot in the last few months. Death rate will only reduce over time.

Away With The Fairies · 18-06-2020 11:07AM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

How will the mandatory wearing of masks in Pubs or Restaurants work? These are enclosed public spaces.

Walk into pub with face mask on.
Sit down, order food.
Wait for order to be brought to table.
Sanitize hands.
Take off mask and place into plastic bag.
Sanitize hands again.
Eat food/drink.
When finished, sanitize hands again and put on a clean face mask.

Need to go to the toilet? Sanitize hands and put on a clean face mask. Go back to your table and sanitize hands and take off mask and put into plastic bag.

Look how easy that process is. They can work if you want them to.

MerlinSouthDub · 18-06-2020 11:07AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

We tend to overlook the situation in Portugal which continues to report 100's of new cases per day.

The situation in Portugal is odd. Consistently 200 to 300 cases for the last few weeks, with no major spikes and it's not getting better or worse. Doesn't make much sense to me.

is_that_so · 18-06-2020 11:17AM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Walk into pub with face mask on.
Sit down, order food.
Wait for order to be brought to table.
Sanitize hands.
Take off mask and place into plastic bag.
Sanitize hands again.
Eat food/drink.
When finished, sanitize hands again and put on a clean face mask.

Need to go to the toilet? Sanitize hands and put on a clean face mask. Go back to your table and sanitize hands and take off mask and put into plastic bag.

Look how easy that process is. They can work if you want them to.

I think I'll be eating Chez Moi for the foreseeable!

speckle · 18-06-2020 11:17AM

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

The situation in Portugal is odd. Consistently 200 to 300 cases for the last few weeks, with no major spikes and it's not getting better or worse. Doesn't make much sense to me.

yeah, just looked hovering between 192 and 421 new cases per day in june , a bit like their stuck getting it lower. and hovered similiarily from may 10 after a drop before that.

Plumbthedepths · 18-06-2020 11:18AM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Walk into pub with face mask on.
Sit down, order food.
Wait for order to be brought to table.
Sanitize hands.
Take off mask and place into plastic bag.
Sanitize hands again.
Eat food/drink.
When finished, sanitize hands again and put on a clean face mask.

Need to go to the toilet? Sanitize hands and put on a clean face mask. Go back to your table and sanitize hands and take off mask and put into plastic bag.

Look how easy that process is. They can work if you want them to.

Thank you for an explanation of the mechanical aspects however your response does not deal with the concerns of those that want masks worn in a confined space.

Away With The Fairies · 18-06-2020 11:19AM

is_that_so wrote: »

I think I'll be eating be eating Chez Moi for the foreseeable!

Becomes second nature after a while.

phater phagan · 18-06-2020 11:21AM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Thank you for an explanation of the mechanical aspects however your response does not deal with the concerns of those that want masks worn in a confined space.

I can't believe that masks are not being made mandatory on public transport.
It's a no-brainer.

is_that_so · 18-06-2020 11:21AM

phater phagan wrote: »

I don't understand why so many people are not wearing face masks when they're shopping.
They must be watching too much fox news.
I wear one and have no problem with it. I take it off when I get back into my car.
It is a simple thing to do and it does stop the infections spreading.

About 60% think we are through it and that the infection has gone, there have been no huge reverses during these easing phases plus numbers are heading toward zero quite steadily. Add to that the message from the briefings that it is under control.

is_that_so · 18-06-2020 11:21AM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Becomes second nature after a while.

Some habits I feel no need to cultivate, thanks.

shinzon · 18-06-2020 11:22AM

These are the first set of guidelines for when pubs reopen.

The guidelines for pubs state:

- Disposable or laminated menus that can be easily cleaned should be used.

- Single use rather than shared condiments should be provided.

- Customers should be seated at a table except when using the toilet, paying and departing.

- Regular announcements will be made to remind customers to follow social distancing advice and clean their hands regularly.

- Smoking areas should have limited capacity.

- A strict queuing system should be in place for toilets to ensure physical distancing.

- Straws should be individually wrapped.

- Decoration of drink glasses (e.g. cocktail umbrellas) should be minimised.

- Details of one person from each group must be retained by the pub for one month.

- Carvery lunches are allowed but must operate a one-way system.

Its quite strange that theres no mention of the elephant in the room which is the amount of drink a table can order during there meal. Your going to get people wanting to get pissed and once that happens your pretty much guaranteed all rules out the window.

Shin

Away With The Fairies · 18-06-2020 11:22AM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Thank you for an explanation of the mechanical aspects however your response does not deal with the concerns of those that want masks worn in a confined space.

I want masks worn in a confined space as well. I realize that restaurants and pubs are different with people eating and drinking. But you wear a mask when you have to. The only time it comes off is when you're feeding yourself.

rob316 · 18-06-2020 11:23AM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Thank you for an explanation of the mechanical aspects however your response does not deal with the concerns of those that want masks worn in a confined space.

My advice is if your that concerned don't go into a confined space. Much like the people who jump out your way or run away in the supermarket for coming towards them.

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