Covid19 Part XVIII-25,473 in ROI(1,736 deaths) 5,760 in NI (551 deaths)(30/06)Read OP

17-06-2020 10:51PM

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

The Financial Times have a good article on 'How slaughterhouses became breeding grounds for coronavirus' and why Denmark seems to have avoided the same problem.

"The sector has traditionally relied on cheap migrant labour brought in by subcontractors to remain competitive. Working up to 60 hours a week, the migrants live seven to eight per the accommodation provided by subcontracting agencies — conditions that one European meat company executive privately acknowledged was “modern slavery”.

I'm over my fee views for ft at the moment so can't read it, but yeah like a lot of agri based business the wages and conditions are crap, and despite the gnashing of teeth from the resident NP and ID Ireland shills on here the make up of the workforce is not changing anytime soon.

But also being close together is a factor, imo, as in the case up north where the staff walked out plants, with worker spacing being one of the concerns.

Renjit · 17-06-2020 10:53PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

This is just the beginning, if stories are to be believed that slaughterhouse is going to cause mayhem.

Midnight meat express

Renjit · 17-06-2020 11:03PM

What Username Guidelines wrote: »

They’re practically large fridges and lots of noise and heavy stuff, making people shout and exert themselves more. Also it seems lots of workers live together in cramped housing.

Well, thats pretty much Dublin

PopTarts · 17-06-2020 11:10PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

How dja find this out if ya don't mind me asking?

I was speaking with a friend who knows a nurse in UHK and there is also this .. (I know it’s one of those friend of a friend stories but I would think they are reliable)

Only news article I could find...

http://traleetoday.ie/no-new-covid-19-cases-officially-reported-for-kerry-despite-patients-in-uhk/

Thanks Speckle for links previous.

May be the case ACitizenErased - it was third hand at that stage! Would be nice for Kerry to keep their record!

Cork Boy 53 · 17-06-2020 11:11PM

DubInMeath wrote: »

Have dueling banjos on repeat and a can of green diesel in the boot to complete the disguise ��

While you`re at it study a load of clips of Daniel O Donnell singing and talking and you`ll be grand.

ElTel · 17-06-2020 11:13PM

ZX7R wrote: »

The company speculatively blamed workers from Romina and Bulgaria
For traveling home because of the bank holiday weekend.
But official investigators casted doubt on the companies speculation due to the lack of and less case's been reported in both Romina and Bulgaria in the area's for where the workers had ment to have returned home too and cast doubts on the time frame of travel for the Romain worker's.
Instead sighting there cramped living conditions and over crowding in dormitories provided by the company as the main area of spread and none compliance of covid health and safety in the factory.

Ah the modern world methods of immigrant/seasonal workers and submarine style shared accommodation with most of the wages being sent out of the country!!!

stephenjmcd · 17-06-2020 11:17PM

HSE Operations report just released.

As of 18:30 21 in ICU, an increase of 1 on the previous 24hrs.

As of 8pm 50 paitents in general beds, down 12 on yesterday.

ACitizenErased · 17-06-2020 11:22PM

I was told there was 2 deaths in CUH today, one in ICU. Not reflected on the report. Don't know what to believe anymore.

Away With The Fairies · 17-06-2020 11:24PM

tom1ie wrote: »

1797 cases in Germany. 657 cases down to slaughterhouse. That leaves 1140 cases from outside the slaughterhouse. Yesterday’s was 390.
It’s a big jump regardless of that slaughterhouse

That's a huge jump in Germany. Would those 1140 be contacts of workers in slaughterhouse?

Such a big increase there, it can also happen here.

Kermit.de.frog · 17-06-2020 11:29PM

Texas reports 11% rise in hospitalizations in 24 hrs, very much the epicenter in the states now.

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It tops glum case statistics right across the southern states. Every single one reporting surges in cases and the deaths are starting to come through now.

A really horrible indictment on the governance of these states. Fauci wants measures now to slow the spread but he's up against Jesus with some of these guys.

Good luck with that.

polesheep · 17-06-2020 11:29PM

Deleted User wrote: »

To spell it out for you.. if you have a 10% chance of catching it at less than two meters for more than 15minutes but meet 10 infected individuals, or have an 50% chance of catching from 90 minutes at 1 metre but only encounter 1 infected individual, which presents the greater risk? It’s simple really

I understand risk calculation perfectly well. You say 10% and 50% ( I know it's for illustrative purposes), but the actual figures and time frames are every bit as random. That's the point I am making. There is no proven science behind 1m, 2m, 15 minutes, 90 minutes.

stephenjmcd · 17-06-2020 11:29PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

I was told there was 2 deaths in CUH today, one in ICU. Not reflected on the report. Don't know what to believe anymore.

Deaths in ICU are reflective of 8am to 8am so the figure for this report is updated at 10am this morning. Any death after 8am this morning is notified in tomorrows report. Might explain it

thelad95 · 17-06-2020 11:36PM

Realistically every country is going to have cluster outbreaks here and there but life will just have to continue alongside them. Most developed countries have their **** together when it comes to contact tracing and getting people to isolate so clusters aren't much of a concern in the grand scheme of things.

If our numbers continue in the current vein we could well see a day soon where we have under 100 active known cases which for all intents and purposes is pretty much a total eradication.

The two travellers to New Zealand show that realistically no country can fully suppress and eliminate the virus until a proper vaccine is found. The simple objective has to be to avoid the health service getting over run and if this continues, COVID will actually begin to slip off the news. Don't forget there's a US presidential election this year and Fianna Fail are back in government.

Kermit.de.frog · 17-06-2020 11:39PM

Germany has announced a ban on all large public events, gatherings for at least another four months (October)

fritzelly · 17-06-2020 11:41PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Germany has announced a ban on all large public events, gatherings for at least another four months (October)

So no Oktoberfest

bb1234567 · 17-06-2020 11:43PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Germany has announced a ban on all large public events, gatherings for at least another four months (October)

Wow..that's quit the reaction to the increase in cases today

bb1234567 · 17-06-2020 11:47PM

Odd the way the patterns emerge with this virus..the minute things cool off in the North East US states, the western and southern states are reporting large outbreaks, the minute things slow down in West European countries, East European countries begin having outbreaks

stephenjmcd · 17-06-2020 11:56PM

bb1234567 wrote: »

Wow..that's quit the reaction to the increase in cases today

Its not a reaction to today, its been in the pipe line for a while now, the ban was previously until start of September but everyone knew it was going to be extended as it was warning of at the time, oktoberfest for example was cancelled weeks ago as they knew the ban would be extended and an event of that size wouldn't be possible.

Likewise with the extension to end October they're already forewarning the ban is likely to go until end of the year.

Also discussed as Wednesday meeting was the return to school in Germany after summer holidays, regular school operation is to resume after summer holidays "with the elimination of the distance requirements"

WoollyRedHat · 18-06-2020 12:01AM

bb1234567 wrote: »

Odd the way the patterns emerge with this virus..the minute things cool off in the North East US states, the western and southern states are reporting large outbreaks, the minute things slow down in West European countries, East European countries begin having outbreaks

Is Germany not considered Western Europe?

stephenjmcd · 18-06-2020 12:01AM

fritzelly wrote: »

So no Oktoberfest

Cancelled weeks ago, german government was warning a good while ago that the event ban would be extended beyond August 31st.

speckle · 18-06-2020 12:03AM

PopTarts wrote: »

I was speaking with a friend who knows a nurse in UHK and there is also this .. (I know it’s one of those friend of a friend stories but I would think they are reliable)

Only news article I could find...

http://traleetoday.ie/no-new-covid-19-cases-officially-reported-for-kerry-despite-patients-in-uhk/

Thanks Speckle for links previous.

May be the case ACitizenErased - it was third hand at that stage! Would be nice for Kerry to keep their record!

re HSE report if I am reading it correctly:
On tuesday 17th of june
zero cases in ICU UHK
zero suspected cases in ICU UHK
zero cases confirmed in last 24 hours/kerry as a whole?

2 older cases on site as of 8am and 2pm.
1 older case by 8pm.(Hopefully the due to recovery).

And hoping now as of 7pm wednesday if I am correct no covid cases hence empty ward as maybe too late to catch in this report for 8pm. (hopefully also due to a recovery)

https://www.hse.ie/eng/services/news/newsfeatures/covid19-updates/

NB. First tralee today article at 1.56pm then at teatime the second article. The two older cases would have been still there,as the numbers didnt go down until later to 1patient for 8pm cut off for the HSE report. And too late even for the HSE report for zero hopefully.
Well done to everybody.
P.S. UHK can also have admissions from south/west Limerick and parts of North/West Cork.

Kermit.de.frog · 18-06-2020 12:07AM

bb1234567 wrote: »

Odd the way the patterns emerge with this virus..the minute things cool off in the North East US states, the western and southern states are reporting large outbreaks, the minute things slow down in West European countries, East European countries begin having outbreaks

Most western european countries implemented proper lockdown.

Many other places did not.

The gains are only temporary for those who took the measures.

Ultimately life has changed until a definitive vaccine can be produced and that's not certain. But they'll soldier on.

The positive thing is that at this stage the population is getting adjusted to the changes in society.

There are some mandatory actions that need to be introduced like on face masks but I think the public are adjusting well.

nocoverart · 18-06-2020 12:28AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Most western european countries implemented proper lockdown.

Many other places did not.

The gains are only temporary for those who took the measures.

Ultimately life has changed until a definitive vaccine can be produced and that's not certain. But they'll soldier on.

The positive thing is that at this stage the population is getting adjusted to the changes in society.

There are some mandatory actions that need to be introduced like on face masks but I think the public are adjusting well.

Would you not take the Summer off mate? relax and enjoy life for the next few months because with a bit of luck it shouldn’t get way out of hand in the foreseeable. Then you come back strong with your Popcorn in hand for the “strap yourself in” proper Wave Two.

Tokyo · 18-06-2020 04:38AM

nocoverart wrote: »

Would you not take the Summer off mate? relax and enjoy life for the next few months because with a bit of luck it shouldn’t get way out of hand in the foreseeable. Then you come back strong with your Popcorn in hand for the “strap yourself in” proper Wave Two.

Mod: Take 24 hours off the thread.

MickeyLeari · 18-06-2020 06:47AM

thelad95 wrote: »

Realistically every country is going to have cluster outbreaks here and there but life will just have to continue alongside them. Most developed countries have their **** together when it comes to contact tracing and getting people to isolate so clusters aren't much of a concern in the grand scheme of things.

If our numbers continue in the current vein we could well see a day soon where we have under 100 active known cases which for all intents and purposes is pretty much a total eradication.

The two travellers to New Zealand show that realistically no country can fully suppress and eliminate the virus until a proper vaccine is found. The simple objective has to be to avoid the health service getting over run and if this continues, COVID will actually begin to slip off the news. Don't forget there's a US presidential election this year and Fianna Fail are back in government.

That is a very good post. The challenge is how we manage this to ensure that people do have a quality of life and the risk is minimised.

I have a selection of masks and have no problem wearing them where it is necessary.

It is about common sense on the part of people and business operators coupled with a stick for those business who flout reasonable rules.

Boggles · 18-06-2020 08:31AM

Deleted User wrote: »

So that’s why the Czech Republic has removed mandatory masks when numbers have dropped?

Mandatory masks have been removed for outdoors.

The are still mandatory indoors.

Deleted User wrote: »

I don’t deny that in certain situations masks can have value, however there seems to be a certain emotional attachment to masks as a visual representation of doing something, anything, when many feel helpless in the face of uncertainty

WTF?

No, they work it's irrefutable, it's nothing to do with feelings or emotions FFS!

It's the reason Harris has spent the last week screaming at people to wear them after spending 3 months convincing us they were useless and could actually spread the infection.

Renjit · 18-06-2020 08:35AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Germany has announced a ban on all large public events, gatherings for at least another four months (October)

That should be the approach here too for large gatherings where social distancing is not possible and people will spend more time.

Plumbthedepths · 18-06-2020 08:40AM

Boggles wrote: »

Mandatory masks have been removed for outdoors.

The are still mandatory indoors.

WTF?

No, they work it's irrefutable, it's nothing to do with feelings or emotions FFS!

It's the reason Harris has spent the last week screaming at people to wear them after spending 3 months convincing us they were useless and could actually spread the infection.

Harris was screaming last week? Sounds made up .

is_that_so · 18-06-2020 08:45AM

Sheepdish1 wrote: »

Maybe they really are playing a blinder in the fact that if restrictions are reintroduced we will know what businesses are more or less likely to spread infection, overall it could work really well this slow phase. Could it be a good opportunity to realise how to manage this in future? Or it if a case that it’s not spreading because we’ve been slow to open up ?

Well, the HSE are looking at revamping pretty much everything, including the patched up testing system and the care home sector. The approach in future would be to hit it hard if it reappears. More tools will come on-stream to help with that.

Boggles · 18-06-2020 09:11AM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Harris was screaming last week? Sounds made up .

Sorry I meant screeching.

Covid19 Part XVIII-25,473 in ROI(1,736 deaths) 5,760 in NI (551 deaths)(30/06)Read OP

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