Covid19 Part XVIII-25,473 in ROI(1,736 deaths) 5,760 in NI (551 deaths)(30/06)Read OP

otnomart · 17-06-2020 06:12PM

SeaBreezes wrote: »

Covid19 destroyed their lungs.
China did the worlds first lung transplant in Feb (i think) and now the first in the states has been done. These are young (20's), fit people who's lungs are unusable after the disease.

I imagine any older or with an underlying condition, they would just be a statistic now.

There was also a double lung transplant in Europe: in Italy on a 18 year old - at the end of May
Source:https://www.italiani.it/en/double-lung-transplant-the-miracle-of-francesco-and-italian-health/

Boggles · 17-06-2020 06:13PM

normanoffside wrote: »

You can't catch it if you eat a feed apparently......

Or Maybe the fact that the Virus is so much less prevalent now that a few more risks can be taken.

See this is where it gets messy.

Other businesses see it being reduced for pubs will follow suit, there is a cost implication for the likes of factories to stagger shifts to adhere to physical distancing, etc. The HSE don't have a leg to stand on, I can skull points at 1 meter but not work.

So "science" get's fúcked in the bin and it's the same level playing field for all.

Advantage the virus.

iamwhoiam · 17-06-2020 06:25PM

Watching Nationwide about the medical staff in Waterford University hospital . My full respect to them and how they stepped up and re trained and pulled together to treat Covid patients . Amazing work

stephenjmcd · 17-06-2020 06:27PM

thelad95 wrote: »

What should really be done right now in regards to public transport, is INCREASE SERVICES. This was done from day one in some Scandinavian countries and worked a treat.

If buses can only host 20 or so bodies, then RUN MORE OF THEM. This is hardly ground breaking stuff and can make social distancing more plausible on public transport.

Eh we haven't got more buses, full DB fleet does be out on a weekday service

Goldengirl · 17-06-2020 06:32PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Eh we haven't got more buses, full DB fleet does be out on a weekday service

So numbers of buses were not reduced?
I thought they were as well as only taking 20 passengers per bus.

ACitizenErased · 17-06-2020 06:33PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

So numbers of buses were not reduced?
I thought they were as well as only taking 20 passengers per bus.

Up until Phase 2 public transport was on a Sunday schedule, it's now back to normal - same amount of buses w/ less passengers.

17-06-2020 06:37PM

Strazdas wrote: »

Those are great numbers : we have one of the absolute lowest new case totals anywhere in Europe this week

Waiting those extra couple of weeks really paying off now.

stephenjmcd · 17-06-2020 06:38PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

So numbers of buses were not reduced?
I thought they were as well as only taking 20 passengers per bus.

During the initial lockdown and phase 1 yeah there wasn't a full fleet out as it was a Saturday service with a few extra departures.

Now its back to a weekday service, there's a few buses freed up by not running the xpress services but its a full fleet on the road as is. Came past Donnybrook on a bus this evening and 1 bus in the yard

ACitizenErased · 17-06-2020 06:39PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Waiting those extra couple of weeks really paying off now.

It's quite remarkable how well this worked out for us. Our numbers are on the upper end of the per capita leaderboards, so bringing it right down with no mask usage is really quite impressive.

LiquidZeb · 17-06-2020 06:41PM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Public transport should be easy

Mandatory face coveting or no transport

Then make it 1 metre and increase capacity

I wonder when services like the Dublin coach will be back? Was on their website and the last update was a month ago.

Goldengirl · 17-06-2020 06:46PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

It's quite remarkable how well this worked out for us. Our numbers are on the upper end of the per capita leaderboards, so bringing it right down with no mask usage is really quite impressive.

After the 2 people from the UK circumvented the NZ quarantine, anybody any thoughts on how we will be able to keep countries ' who aren't doing so well ' bringing it back to Ireland?
While I think NI is on the same page as us generally , I have no faith that UK are , and concerned as some posters say the quarantine is unworkable.

polesheep · 17-06-2020 06:55PM

Boggles wrote: »

So the pubs will open serving food, 1 meter and 90 minutes?

What happened to 2 meters and 15 minutes?

Half the distance and quadruple the time.

#science

It's been Humpty Dumpty speak from day one. It has all been about herding the population like sheep. It's the reason why I have never taken the government statements on Covid_19 at face value.

Boggles · 17-06-2020 07:00PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

It's quite remarkable how well this worked out for us. Our numbers are on the upper end of the per capita leaderboards, so bringing it right down with no mask usage is really quite impressive.

We wouldn't be at the upper end if we mandated for masks early on.

So yeah, go us. :rolleyes:

17-06-2020 07:05PM

polesheep wrote: »

It's been Humpty Dumpty speak from day one. It has all been about herding the population like sheep. It's the reason why I have never taken the government statements on Covid_19 at face value.

It’s management of risk. Less than 2 meters for 15 minutes is not a guarantee that you will get it. It’s just where 90% of transmissions occur. But with a tiny number of cases the risk of encountering and infected individual is so much lower, so the overall number of potential infections from 1 metre for 90 minutes is currently low

17-06-2020 07:06PM

Boggles wrote: »

We wouldn't be at the upper end if we mandated for masks early on.

So yeah, go us. :rolleyes:

Where mandated mask early on?

Plumbthedepths · 17-06-2020 07:10PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Where mandated mask early on?

Czech Republic, 9 th of March or 19th can't remember which. Although they are nearly fully open now and the mandatory requirement was lifted recently.

17-06-2020 07:17PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Czech Republic, 9 th of March or 19th can't remember which. Although they are nearly fully open now and the mandatory requirement was lifted recently.

And even though they lowered their peak, the 7 day average is 52 new cases, whereas ours is 14, and we have tested 50% more per million.

ACitizenErased · 17-06-2020 07:21PM

Boggles wrote: »

We wouldn't be at the upper end if we mandated for masks early on.

So yeah, go us. :rolleyes:

I think our numbers right now prove that mask usage isn't entirely necessary.

Boggles · 17-06-2020 07:27PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

I think our numbers right now prove that mask usage isn't entirely necessary.

Jesus, it's still a bit fresh in the mind for revisionism.

The countries who have done best in Europe and are "open" for the past 4-6 weeks.

Did at least 2 of the 3 things, the best countries did all 3.

1. Close the borders early.
2. Proper lockdown early with actual enforcement.
3. Mandated for masks early.

We did none of the above.

It's one of the reasons we have had more deaths from Covid in the past 10 days than Slovakia has had deaths during the whole pandemic.

ACitizenErased · 17-06-2020 07:28PM

Boggles wrote: »

Jesus, it's still a bit fresh in the mind for revisionism.

The countries who have done best in Europe and are "open" for the past 4-6 weeks.

Did at least 2 of the 3 things, the best countries did all 3.

1. Close the borders early.
2. Proper lockdown early with actual enforcement.
3. Mandated for masks early.

We did none of the above.

It's one of the reasons we have had more deaths from Covid in the past 10 days than Slovakia has had deaths during the whole pandemic.

I'm not talking about the past. We should have done a lot of things but we didn't so we have to get on with it.

Plumbthedepths · 17-06-2020 07:29PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

And even though they lowered their peak, the 7 day average is 52 new cases, whereas ours is 14, and we have tested 50% more per million.

Only answering the question you asked. It does question the effectiveness based on the figures you used.

Plumbthedepths · 17-06-2020 07:31PM

Boggles wrote: »

We wouldn't be at the upper end if we mandated for masks early on.

So yeah, go us. :rolleyes:

Hindsight is great. Still there is no arguing with the numbers tbh.

17-06-2020 07:36PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Only answering the question you asked. It does question the effectiveness based on the figures you used.

Evidence to me is the early reaction helped Czech republic, Slovakia etc, but based on what has happened here and elsewhere the masks didn’t make a significant difference, it was implementing restrictions prior to exponential growth getting out of control. We didn’t react as well as they did, but better than Italy, Spain, UK,Belgium. Mid table obscurity. With a good run in from here to winter we make make the Europa league of European COVID responses. But champions league is out of reach

JoChervil · 17-06-2020 07:40PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

I think our numbers right now prove that mask usage isn't entirely necessary.

Yeah, for sitting at home people for sure weren't. We are opening now, so people will mingle more and masks in my opinion ARE necessary...

Sheepdish1 · 17-06-2020 07:44PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Probably with no evidence of any adverse change in case numbers 14 days into Phase 2.

Maybe they really are playing a blinder in the fact that if restrictions are reintroduced we will know what businesses are more or less likely to spread infection, overall it could work really well this slow phase. Could it be a good opportunity to realise how to manage this in future? Or it if a case that it’s not spreading because we’ve been slow to open up ?

Plumbthedepths · 17-06-2020 07:48PM

JoChervil wrote: »

Yeah, for sitting at home people for sure weren't. We are opening now, so people will mingle more and masks in my opinion ARE necessary...

You may feel they are necessary but unless they are made mandatory I can't see a large uptake tbh.

Boggles · 17-06-2020 07:49PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

I'm not talking about the past. .

Ah, you were.

ACitizenErased wrote: »

It's quite remarkable how well this worked out for us. Our numbers are on the upper end of the per capita leaderboards, so bringing it right down with no mask usage is really quite impressive.

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Hindsight is great. Still there is no arguing with the numbers tbh.

Well no it isn't.

Or have we forgot what Coveney said when there was loud calls to at least cut off flights from Italy - the epicenter of the world.

Basically 'it would be mean if we did and how would we feel if they did it to us'.

Feelings. Not the best tool against a global pandemic.

Or maybe you are talking about the "new science" Harris found behind the photocopier that in fact masks do work. Hooraaahhh!

Or when Doctor Tony was told shut the fúck up by the CEO of nursing homes when he encouraged people to visit their granny because it would be mean not to.

Again feelings.

It's not hindsight, read back through the various threads.

We absolutely fúcked our response to it compared to European countries who had foresight.

The danger is we are actively looking at their outcomes and formulating policy without even giving an nod as to how they achieved those outcomes.

Do honestly think there is another governance caving to an association like the Vintners on public health advice?

The same Vintners

Who vehemently opposed every single public health measure that was brought in.

1. Minimum wage.
2. Smoking ban
3. Every piece of drink driving legislation since the 70s.

But shure be grand we are Irish!

ongarite · 17-06-2020 07:55PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

You may feel they are necessary but unless they are made mandatory I can't see a large uptake tbh.

Masks became mandatory yesterday in my work place.
That's around 2000 masks per day if only 1 mask used per employee.

Boggles · 17-06-2020 07:57PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Evidence to me is the early reaction helped Czech republic, Slovakia etc, but based on what has happened here and elsewhere the masks didn’t make a significant difference,

The Public Health Officials in both countries completely disagree with you.

As does evidence based studies on mask usage and this actual virus, not to mention various other studies on mask usage and similar respiratory illnesses.

But make no mistake they will be mandatory here soon enough, at least for public transport.

Bit like our public transport, hilariously late.

Plumbthedepths · 17-06-2020 08:06PM

Boggles wrote: »

Ah, you were.

Well no it isn't.

Or have we forgot what Coveney said when there was loud calls to at least cut off flights from Italy - the epicenter of the world.

Basically 'it would be mean if we did and how would we feel if they did it to us'.

Feelings. Not the best tool against a global pandemic.

Or maybe you are talking about the "new science" Harris found behind the photocopier that in fact masks do work. Hooraaahhh!

Or when Doctor Tony was told shut the fúck up by the CEO of nursing homes when he encouraged people to visit their granny because it would be mean not to.

Again feelings.

It's not hindsight, read back through the various threads.

We absolutely fúcked our response to it compared to European countries who had foresight.

The danger is we are actively looking at their outcomes and formulating policy without even giving an nod as to how they achieved those outcomes.

Do honestly think there is another governance caving to an association like the Vintners on public health advice?

The same Vintners

Who vehemently opposed every single public health measure that was brought in.

1. Minimum wage.
2. Smoking ban
3. Every piece of drink driving legislation since the 70s.

But shure be grand we are Irish!

You are talking about the past about what wasn't done and lauding what was done in other countries. The very essence of hindsight.
The good news is our numbers are incredibly low and we now know what works. Personally I think the biggest f**k up was in nursing homes and long term care facilities. I thought this back in March and have said it several times since.

Covid19 Part XVIII-25,473 in ROI(1,736 deaths) 5,760 in NI (551 deaths)(30/06)Read OP

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