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Minimum alcohol pricing is nigh

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  • #4232
    brightspark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,637 ✭✭✭brightspark


    elperello wrote: »
    By all means if it makes you feel better.

    However the truth is that MUP went through the Dail supported by all parties.

    In the Senate the only voice raised against it was Prof.Sean Barrett of Trinity. Wearing his economist hat he correctly pointed out the madness of granting an extra profit to the drinks industry.

    If they really thought a price increase would improve peoples' health they could have simply raised the duty, but that wouldn't have suited their publican friends, relations and financial supporters.


  • #4233
    Yellow_Fern
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,731 ✭✭✭Yellow_Fern


    Drinkers already pay for the full impact of their drinking healthcare etc. included.


  • #4234
    andrew1977
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,208 ✭✭✭andrew1977


    Newry here I come so the day after it comes into effect in Ireland .
    Will Northern Ireland go with minimum pricing ? I’m sure they have enough going on to not implement soon .


  • #4235
    Leroy42
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,215 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    Yellow_Fern wrote: »
    Drinkers already pay for the full impact of their drinking healthcare etc. included.

    Do you know what the average costs of dealing with an RTA involving a drunk driver is, including legal fees, court costs and medical?


  • #4236
    Atlantic Dawn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,596 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    GDY151


    Bringing this in now will completely wipe out the pubs.


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  • #4237
    Hairy Japanese BASTARDS!
    Closed Accounts Posts: 443 ✭✭Hairy Japanese BASTARDS!


    Atlantic Dawn wrote: »
    Bringing this in now will completely wiped out the pubs.

    How so?

    Pub prices will remain the same.
    Off licence prices go up.


  • #4238
    Hairy Japanese BASTARDS!
    Closed Accounts Posts: 443 ✭✭Hairy Japanese BASTARDS!


    Atlantic Dawn wrote: »
    Bringing this in now will completely wiped out the pubs.

    How so?

    Pub prices will remain the same.
    Off licence prices go up.


  • #4239
    Leroy42
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,215 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    Atlantic Dawn wrote: »
    Bringing this in now will completely wiped out the pubs.

    How do you reckon on that? It is aimed at protecting the pubs


  • #4240
    Atlantic Dawn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,596 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    GDY151


    A person has x amount of money for drink/entertainment, higher prices on the at home boozing means less to spend at the pub. Combine that with the pubs going to be completely undesirable places to go for a year plus and yes this will do more damage to the pubs, not less. Pubs will also have to raise prices to pay for reduced business, at least 25% across the board to be any way breaking even.


  • #4241
    Geuze
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,786 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    Atlantic Dawn wrote: »
    Bringing this in now will completely wipe out the pubs.

    I think you're confused.

    This policy is aimed at helping pubs, by making alcohol outside pubs more expensive relative to alcohol in pubs.


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  • #4242
    Geuze
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,786 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    Atlantic Dawn wrote: »
    A person has x amount of money for drink/entertainment, higher prices on the at home boozing means less to spend at the pub. Combine that with the pubs going to be completely undesirable places to go for a year plus and yes this will do more damage to the pubs, not less. Pubs will also have to raise prices to pay for reduced business, at least 25% across the board to be any way breaking even.

    Hmmm, maybe............


  • #4243
    hatrickpatrick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,799 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    Geuze wrote: »
    I think you're confused.

    This policy is aimed at helping pubs, by making alcohol outside pubs more expensive relative to alcohol in pubs.

    Yes, but the issue now is that with pubs almost certainly becoming incredibly depressing places at least until the end of the year, a lot of people when faced with a choice between an expensive house party or an expensive night in the pub will just skip the pub altogether.


  • #4244
    Richard Hillman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    They'll only introduce it if Northern Ireland do. I think Sinn Fein and the DUP know it wouldn't go down well with their working class support base. Recreational rioting isn't as fun without 10 cans of Carling on board.


  • #4245
    Quackster
    Moderators, Regional South Moderators Posts: 6,072 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quackster


    I disagree, the "drinking problems" are myths from the government.
    andrew1977 wrote: »
    Newry here I come so the day after it comes into effect in Ireland .
    Will Northern Ireland go with minimum pricing ? I’m sure they have enough going on to not implement soon .
    A hard Brexit from next January will limit the amount of booze you're legally allowed to bring across the border.


  • #4246
    PTH2009
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,727 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    Horrendous decision


  • #4247
    Potential-Monke
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,761 ✭✭✭✭Potential-Monke


    I've an idea. Legalise weed and then the pubs can start selling cannabis infused beer. That'll bring more to the pub, and the money normally spent on the overpriced illegal weed can now be spent on the overpriced legal weed beer. I'd actually contemplate going to a pub if weed was legal, but would have to be something like the The Vic in Tramore which has an amazing beer garden, perfect for us stoners.


  • #4248
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 39,779 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Leroy42 wrote: »
    Do you know what the average costs of dealing with an RTA involving a drunk driver is, including legal fees, court costs and medical?

    That doesn't make any sense at all.

    The vast majority of drinkers don't drink and drive.

    And if you think drinkers as a whole should be punished for the sins of a few, then why raise the cost of off-licence alcohol but not pub alcohol?

    If anything it's the home drinkers who are less likely to drink and drive.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • #4249
    patrickbrophy18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,318 ✭✭✭patrickbrophy18


    Hotblack Desiato wrote: »
    And if you think drinkers as a whole should be punished for the sins of a few, then why raise the cost of off-licence alcohol but not pub alcohol?

    This whole minimum alcohol pricing started with keeping the pub trade in business by going after the off-trade.

    If they really wanted to keep pubs in business, they would abolish the outdated liqueur licensing laws which make it a risk to open a pub in the first place.
    Hotblack Desiato wrote: »
    If anything it's the home drinkers who are less likely to drink and drive.

    Couldn't have put it better myself.


  • #4250
    L1011
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,396 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    patrickbrophy18 wrote: »
    This whole minimum alcohol pricing started with keeping the pub trade in business by going after the off-trade.

    If they really wanted to keep pubs in business, they would abolish the outdated liqueur licensing laws which make it a risk to open a pub in the first place.

    It started to keep existing publicans in business. The number one opponents of opening up licencing.


  • #4251
    redarmyblues
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 987 ✭✭✭redarmyblues


      Geuze wrote: »
      Hmmm, maybe............

      MUP was abandoned in England when Tim Martin made this argument. I am getting into home brew as are many of my friends.


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    • #4252
      Katelyn Curved Pooch
      Posts: 13,753 ✭✭✭✭ Katelyn Curved Pooch


      I disagree, the "drinking problems" are myths from the government.
      The country's underworld have the champagne popping. Drugs, cigarettes and now cheap alcohol to be added to their list of offerings.


    • #4253
      patrickbrophy18
      Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,318 ✭✭✭patrickbrophy18


      L1011 wrote: »
      It started to keep existing publicans in business. The number one opponents of opening up licencing.

      The pub trade by extension keeps publicans in business. Either way, MUP is a form of price fixing which is a scam.

      The advocates of this legislation regularly imbue it with social justice messages by referring to irresponsible drinkers as vulnerable.

      In any case, it is a way of spreading misery by punishing the responsible for mistakes of the irresponsible. Why should the average joe be used a shock absorber for irresponsible drinkers?


    • #4254
      cadaliac
      Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,904 ✭✭✭cadaliac


      Leroy42 wrote: »
      Do you know what the average costs of dealing with an RTA involving a drunk driver is, including legal fees, court costs and medical?

      Yawn, here you go again tarring everyone who drinks with the same brush.

      Your priceable applies across the board in this case to all human beings, we’re all criminals and need to be jailed .

      Have you finally concluded that this is not a health related issue, or are you still beating that drum also?
      Asking for a friend


    • #4255
      Randy Archer
      Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 859 ✭✭✭Randy Archer


      I disagree, the "drinking problems" are myths from the government.
      Richard Hillman wrote: »
      They'll only introduce it if Northern Ireland do. I think Sinn Fein and the DUP know it wouldn't go down well with their working class support base. Recreational rioting isn't as fun without 10 cans of Carling on board.

      I notice Carlin’s as a bigger presence lately , being so cheap, it I thought Nordies prefer Tennants

      Anyway, far too many council estate riff raft and people on welfare spending their limited income on booze . Poor priorities


    • #4256
      Leroy42
      Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,215 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


      cadaliac wrote: »
      Yawn, here you go again tarring everyone who drinks with the same brush.

      Your priceable applies across the board in this case to all human beings, we’re all criminals and need to be jailed .

      Have you finally concluded that this is not a health related issue, or are you still beating that drum also?
      Asking for a friend

      You do understand how a thread works don't you? I was replying to a poster that stated that drinkers already pay for everything.

      They, drinkers as a whole, do not. Nothing about illegality, nothing about criminals. Just a fact that alcohol causes serious issues in the country.

      Doesn't mean we should stop it, there is a cost to everything we do.

      I fully understand what this policy is aimed at, as I have pointed at numerous times, I'm not going to reprint my full posts everytime just so you won't get upset and not being able to understand a point being made.


    • #4257
      double jobbing
      Closed Accounts Posts: 322 ✭✭double jobbing


      Richard Hillman wrote: »
      They'll only introduce it if Northern Ireland do. I think Sinn Fein and the DUP know it wouldn't go down well with their working class support base. Recreational rioting isn't as fun without 10 cans of Carling on board.

      Did SF vote for it here in the Dail?

      It's incredibly difficult on the Oireachtas website to find out what TD's voted for what bills.


    • #4258
      elperello
      Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,264 ✭✭✭✭elperello


      Leroy42 wrote: »
      Do you know what the average costs of dealing with an RTA involving a drunk driver is, including legal fees, court costs and medical?
      Leroy42 wrote: »
      You do understand how a thread works don't you? I was replying to a poster that stated that drinkers already pay for everything.

      They, drinkers as a whole, do not. Nothing about illegality, nothing about criminals. Just a fact that alcohol causes serious issues in the country.

      Doesn't mean we should stop it, there is a cost to everything we do.

      I fully understand what this policy is aimed at, as I have pointed at numerous times, I'm not going to reprint my full posts everytime just so you won't get upset and not being able to understand a point being made.

      Drunk driver, legal fees, court costs, sounds pretty much you were talking about illegality and criminals to me.

      Drink driving is illegal and should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

      Making me pay more to drink a couple of bottles of beer in my own house will not address drink driving in any meaningful way.


    • #4259
      Wanderer78
      Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,766 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


      Randy Archer wrote:
      Anyway, far too many council estate riff raft and people on welfare spending their limited income on booze . Poor priorities


      Maybe they have addiction and mental health issues!


    • #4260
      elperello
      Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,264 ✭✭✭✭elperello


      Randy Archer wrote: »
      I notice Carlin’s as a bigger presence lately , being so cheap, it I thought Nordies prefer Tennants

      Anyway, far too many council estate riff raft and people on welfare spending their limited income on booze . Poor priorities

      Lot's of decent people live in public housing. You never know when life might take a turn and you could end up on welfare.
      Wanderer78 wrote: »
      Maybe they have addiction and mental health issues!

      What MUP does not address is what people who for one reason or another use drink to get out of their heads will do. Are they going to reform or find another way to get out of their heads?


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    • #4261
      Wanderer78
      Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,766 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


      elperello wrote: »
      What MUP does not address is what people who for one reason or another use drink to get out of their heads will do. Are they going to reform or find another way to get out of their heads?

      mup wont make a difference in addressing addiction and mental health issues, i cant see it solving anything actually


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