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Formula 1 2020 - General Discussion Thread (See MOD warning on first post)

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    #1562
    rock22
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    H3llR4iser wrote: »
    True, the history is there for everybody to see, but it's also a common situation for racing series that start chasing "direct manufacturers involvement" like F1 has been doing for the last two decades. It's not by chance that the more interesting races happened at times when most teams were privateers with various levels of support from an engine builder.

    Surely the most interesting races were in the post ww2 era when most teams were factory entered. ie. , Ferrari , Alfa Romeo, Talbot, Mercedes, Maserati, BRM etc.?


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    #1563
    H3llR4iser
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    rock22 wrote: »
    Surely the most interesting races were in the post ww2 era when most teams were factory entered. ie. , Ferrari , Alfa Romeo, Talbot, Mercedes, Maserati, BRM etc.?

    The "golden era" of F1 is universally considered to be around the 1960s and 1970s; This was the time when the small garage-born teams came to become the backbone of the grid - the likes of Tyrrell, Lotus, Cooper, BRM (yeah, wasn't a manufacturer), Brabham, March, McLaren and many others with various level of success, to the chagrin of Enzo Ferrari who genuinely despised them (and the fact they were doing better than a supposedly well-funded manufacturer).


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    #1564
    Frank Bullitt
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    formula-1-mercedes-f1-team-jun-2.jpg

    This was taken today...praise be.


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    #1565
    TCP/IP
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    Ah good to see even if it is the W09 not the new car


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    #1566
    SureYWouldntYa
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    Are many anticipating a closer title race this time around?

    The double Austria will surely help Verstappen and RB with the last 2 wins going their way


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    #1567
    Cork Trucker
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    SureYWouldntYa wrote: »
    Are many anticipating a closer title race this time around?

    The double Austria will surely help Verstappen and RB with the last 2 wins going their way

    They were mid season races on both occasions, now we are dealing with the opening rounds, cars won't have several races behind them to know if there will be any reliability issues testing might not show.


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    #1568
    g1983d
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    TCP/IP wrote: »
    Ah good to see even if it is the W09 not the new car

    It's the racing point with camo livery ðŸ˜ðŸ˜


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    #1569
    TCP/IP
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    g1983d wrote: »
    It's the racing point with camo livery ðŸ˜ðŸ˜

    :):):):):) Thats true mate


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    #1570
    geotrig
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    So what testing has been done I cant remember now and was there any additional individual testing allowed ?


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    #1571
    Harika
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    geotrig wrote: »
    So what testing has been done I cant remember now and was there any additional individual testing allowed ?

    No, that's why they test in 2018 cars, camera days would be allowed but seems teams mostly used them for shake downs


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    #1572
    AMKC
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    geotrig wrote: »
    So what testing has been done I cant remember now and was there any additional individual testing allowed ?

    They had there two weeks with 3 days of testing out the new cars and most of it went good for everyone. They had camera days too but that was before the testing. I have no idea what the poster above me is on about. Mercedes brought out the W09 for some pictures which is a two year old car just to test Covid procedures with the team and how it will work.


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    #1573
    El_Duderino 09
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    Gintonious wrote: »
    formula-1-mercedes-f1-team-jun-2.jpg

    This was taken today...praise be.

    When you look at that car you can see so many aero bits, turning veins and general faddle-daddles. It's clear to see loads of money is going into those bits that are completely irrelevant to the real world, hinder the cars' performance in turbulent air and must cost a fortune in manhours to design and test all the variations. Massive waste of money.

    They're building quali cars designed to be fast in clean air, and then they lose loads of downforce when they try to race and slide about and have to save the tyres. The new rules in 2022 will hopefully limit all that stuff.


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    #1574
    H3llR4iser
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    El_Duderino 09 wrote: »
    When you look at that car you can see so many aero bits, turning veins and general faddle-daddles. It's clear to see loads of money is going into those bits that are completely irrelevant to the real world, hinder the cars' performance in turbulent air and must cost a fortune in manhours to design and test all the variations. Massive waste of money.

    They're building quali cars designed to be fast in clean air, and then they lose loads of downforce when they try to race and slide about and have to save the tyres. The new rules in 2022 will hopefully limit all that stuff.


    Not just that - we often see these being cracked, damaged or lost with very little to no effect on the on track performance of the car. I am sure the 0.2% loss of downforce or the turbulence resulting in a 0.05% increased fuel consumption shows up in the data, but not on track.

    A "1980s clean" bodywork and wings would probably lose much less performance on the lap than many people believe...


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    #1575
    AMKC
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    El_Duderino 09 wrote: »
    When you look at that car you can see so many aero bits, turning veins and general faddle-daddles. It's clear to see loads of money is going into those bits that are completely irrelevant to the real world, hinder the cars' performance in turbulent air and must cost a fortune in manhours to design and test all the variations. Massive waste of money.

    They're building quali cars designed to be fast in clean air, and then they lose loads of downforce when they try to race and slide about and have to save the tyres. The new rules in 2022 will hopefully limit all that stuff.

    I would not say that any of the aero bits that were on that car were a massive waste of money maybe on a McLaren or even Ferrari sometimes as they had no idea what they were doing but on the Merc they knew there stuff most of the time and that 0.2 per cent difference or 0 05 per cent difference might have been the thing that kept Merc in front most of the time and getting most of the poles too. Yes I agree it did get out of hand changing aero bits every season it should have been less but otherwise it was something to talk about. So what if it was irrelevant to real world cars we wanted to see the best drivers in cars we can only dream of driving winning not someone in a road car. You can watch rallying or Nascar for that.


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    #1576
    El_Duderino 09
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    Different tyre compounds for the two Silverstone races. That's a clever little way to mix things up a bit.

    https://wtf1.com/post/pirelli-will-bring-different-tyre-compounds-to-each-silverstone-race/


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    #1577
    geotrig
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    El_Duderino 09 wrote: »
    Different tyre compounds for the two Silverstone races. That's a clever little way to mix things up a bit.

    https://wtf1.com/post/pirelli-will-bring-different-tyre-compounds-to-each-silverstone-race/

    pity Austria didnt mix it up also


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    #1578
    Frank Bullitt
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    No Japan, Singapore or Azerbaijan. All races cancelled.


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    #1579
    SureYWouldntYa
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    What Asian races can they have so? Just Bahrain and Abu Dhabi?

    They need 3 continents to be able to call it a world title, normally they do 5 but Brazil can be ruled out as they're a crapshow, and since Australia is part street circuit I'm assuming it would be a hard setup

    One of Mexico, USA or Canada has to happen at some stage to compliment the European and Asian races


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    #1580
    El_Duderino 09
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    SureYWouldntYa wrote: »
    What Asian races can they have so? Just Bahrain and Abu Dhabi?

    They need 3 continents to be able to call it a world title, normally they do 5 but Brazil can be ruled out as they're a crapshow, and since Australia is part street circuit I'm assuming it would be a hard setup

    One of Mexico, USA or Canada has to happen at some stage to compliment the European and Asian races

    That might be so. I don't care how many continents they race on. It's still the f1 championship and this year will always be a strange one because of the shortened calendar. How many continents they race on is the least of it.


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    #1581
    Frank Bullitt
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    I can imagine Brazil and Mexico being sketchy still, might we end up with a Europe only championship?


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    #1582
    SureYWouldntYa
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    El_Duderino 09 wrote: »
    They might be so. I don't care how many continents they race at. It's still the f1 championship and this year will always be a strange one because of the shortened calendar. How many continents they race on is the least of it.

    They need I think 8 races for it to be a championship, and for it to be on 3 continents to be a "world" championship, all of this is according to their own rules

    https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/148887/how-many-races-does-f1-need-to-declare-a-season

    I'd be much the same in reality, give me 8 Belgian Grand Prix and I'd be happy


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    #1583
    GarIT
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    Gintonious wrote: »
    I can imagine Brazil and Mexico being sketchy still, might we end up with a Europe only championship?


    I don't see why they can't go to most of the usual places if they are going to the UK the 2nd worst affected country in the World for two races.


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    #1584
    racersedge
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    GarIT wrote: »
    I don't see why they can't go to most of the usual places if they are going to the UK the 2nd worst affected country in the World for two races.

    I would assume the UK is a special case. Probably wouldn’t be a runner if not for it been the base of most of the grid.


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    #1585
    Frank Bullitt
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    racersedge wrote: »
    I would assume the UK is a special case. Probably wouldn’t be a runner if not for it been the base of most of the grid.

    A lot of the teams are based there as well, so that somewhat offsets the hassle of things, but then gets complicated when you factor in travel and so on.


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    #1586
    PopePalpatine
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    As shady as the Tories have been with COVID-19, the UK figures are far more trustworthy than those from the regime of the Poundland Pinochet.


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    #1587
    [Deleted User]
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    Canada 2011 was on YouTube, just watching it now. Forgot just how stupid some of the SC stuff was :P


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    #1588
    [Deleted User]
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    Talk of having a race on Bahrain's outer circuit. Something I'd like to see, think there'd only be 4 proper braking points. Would be one of the fastest races as well.


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    #1589
    SureYWouldntYa
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    I seen that lap times will probably be under a minute as well on the outer circuit

    Will cause issues on lapped runners but with the massive straights then they can surely be dealt with quite easily, you’d just hope it doesnt interfere too much with the proper front and mid field racing


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    #1590
    H3llR4iser
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    Well below the minute, it's 3.6km and mostly straights. If they lap 1'03" on the Red Bull Ring, which is 4.3km and has more corners...

    It'd be interesting to see if the average lap speed would be higher than Monza - the circuit, in terms of typology, has some points of contact with "old-old" Silverstone, which was a bit faster.


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    #1591
    El_Duderino 09
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    Has anyone seriously proposes the Bahrain outer circuit?


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