Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IV - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

Jayesdiem wrote: »

And your point is?

My point is the example you use of shops with the selfless shopworkers have all had some sort of safety included for their workers, and yet you object to teachers asking for same. It smacks of an unwillingness to understand issues or sheer ill will I dont know which.

Jayesdiem wrote: »

What the supermarkets have done was precautionary, and is actually being phased out now. What the teachers want to do is just disruptive and unnecessary and I don’t recall supermarket workers whinging and going on virtually strike, regardless of measures that were, or were not, taken. I guess their unions just haven’t got a tight enough grip on the government’s testicles.

IF it was being phased out they would not need to implement this week for shops
also maybe the fact it was implemented in the first place meant they didnt have to go on strike as shops were being sensible and looking after their workers as they have to legally provide a safe workspace.

History Queen wrote: »

Teachers are not afraid to go back to school. Teachers are objecting to going back to school without strict health andsafety protocols. We want to be treated like every other workplace.

😂😂😂😂
Short working days and 5 months holidays.

Where do teachers get the attitude from? Teachers along with the legal profession are the most disreputable professions in Ireland today.

Strumms wrote: »

You are comparing apples and oranges, the social makeup, social psychology and habits of Japan and Ireland are far removed from each other.

Our social makeup, psychology are a potential killer, hence the need for the restrictions we have had.

There is ZERO to be got from saying “ ohhh look at these countries, 6 people can meet, back to work, gyms open etc”

You need to cut your cloth to meet you measure. In Ireland and Irish people, the social psychology of people, the psychology of our workplaces and so on, informs what we NEED to do. Forget what is happening in Japan.

Ultimately we copied the lockdown policy from China (by way of Italy).

Other East Asian countries had a range of preventative methods put in place which we should be trying to learn from. These methods were rooted in science and experience, whereas our policy of imprisoning everyone for their own good was a) borrowed from a Communist dictatorship in a panic; b) justified based on cultural stereotypes about ourselves as badly behaved.

ShooterSF wrote: »

Wait that's what people are taking from the meat factory outbreaks. Not that employees were silenced and threatened with losing their jobs if they got tested /stayed home sick? It took a couple of whistle-blowers to raise awareness of it. I would have hoped people would have taken the idea that we need some form of universal basic income and heathcare in the country so people can resist criminal employers without fear.

Cocoon yourself

Strumms wrote: »

You are comparing apples and oranges, the social makeup, social psychology and habits of Japan and Ireland are far removed from each other.

Our social makeup, psychology are a potential killer, hence the need for the restrictions we have had.

There is ZERO to be got from saying “ ohhh look at these countries, 6 people can meet, back to work, gyms open etc”

You need to cut your cloth to meet you measure. In Ireland and Irish people, the social psychology of people, the psychology of our workplaces and so on, informs what we NEED to do. Forget what is happening in Japan.

Can you explain to us the need for shutting down construction sector for 2 months? "the need for restrictions we had", damn thats funny. We needed to shut down our construction sector because of our different psychology to Japan?

Construction is just an example. 5 + other sectors can easily be mentioned, if you havent heard the term "smart lockdown" i suggest you'd research it, plenty of countries done that.

Reality is opening Woodies didnt cause any spike in infections. 3000 + gathering for black lives matter (1 June) didnt cause any spikes in infections the list goes on here..... the lockdown we had was shi*e and disproportionate. The fact that it goes on for 1 more day is a disaster.

It will always bug me that Denmark had 202 new cases on the day they opened barbers on 21 April. Thats 1 month and 3 weeks ago. And here we are contemplating accelerating restrictions with peanut 20 - 30 new cases on average for last 14 days..... talking about scared teachers not wanting to go to work in September (thats bloody 2.5 months away from now)

There is a reason EU is allocating 1.91 bn out of 750bn recovery fund package to Ireland, our lockdown was the most idiotic and longest in Europe, we will be the last EU country to send children back to school and our wet blanket finance minister keeps saying "we can borrow we should borrow and we will borrow our way out of covid" :rolleyes:

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Can you explain to us the need for shutting down construction sector for 2 months? "the need for restrictions we had", damn thats funny. We needed to shut down our construction sector because of our different psychology to Japan?

Construction is just an example. 5 + other sectors can easily be mentioned, if you havent heard the term "smart lockdown" i suggest you'd research it, plenty of countries done that.

Reality is opening Woodies didnt cause any spike in infections. 3000 + gathering for black lives matter (1 June) didnt cause any spikes in infections the list goes on here..... the lockdown we had was shi*e and disproportionate. The fact that it goes on for 1 more day is a disaster.

It will always bug me that Denmark had 202 new cases on the day they opened barbers on 21 April. Thats 1 month and 3 weeks ago. And here we are contemplating accelerating restrictions with peanut 20 - 30 new cases on average for last 14 days..... talking about scared teachers not wanting to go to work in September (thats bloody 2.5 months away from now)

There is a reason EU is allocating 1.91 bn out of 750bn recovery fund package to Ireland, our lockdown was the most idiotic and longest in Europe, we will be the last EU country to send children back to school and our wet blanket finance minister keeps saying "we can borrow we should borrow and we will borrow our way out of covid" :rolleyes:

Because construction has TEAMS of people working together, in close confines, helping lifting sharing equipment, machinery... H&S will determine.

The lockdown has been successful, all the socially needy clingy morons won’t get that... “ohhh this is ridiculous I haven’t seen Paul or Karen for xxx”. Paul, Karen and yourself are still alive because of lockdown twats. The money grabbers won’t want to get it and even if they did, they loyalty is to cash not lives.

The lockdown is working and has worked. Statistics back this up.

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

I think that employment law etc is for another conversation - the fact is that nobody has died from meat plant clusters or infections out of 1,100 people (and maybe even more as you rightly suggest some may not have come forward). And if 1 person died, there wouldve been an on-going court case against the meat plant company and would've been all over the news (RTE are desperate for news to report currently)

How many would have died if our ICU's were overrun? More to the point these people got sick because their workplace didn't follow guidelines. Hardly a great thing to point to. See? If we kept everywhere open, a few more old people would have died, lots more would have ended up in intensive care or sick but companies wouldn't be struggling.

Santy2015 wrote: »

RTÉ need to letting news of the virus trickle down the app. Sick of seeing negative headlines on a daily basis, also the 128 suspected cases sh!te needs to stop. They don’t have it, include them in figures if positive.
Close contacts per confirmed Covid-19 case rises to six

They don't seem to realise that close contacts will rise, less cases you have gives more sensitive data.
1 person had 20 odd close contacts last week and that saw the average rocket up before dropping down again. But it was jumped on as a major headline.

The suspected case reporting needs to be left out of general reporting seeing as if your being admitted to hospital for anything you get a swab and until it comes back negative or postive its a suspected case

Jayesdiem wrote: »

Don’t make me laugh!!!! “Paul and Karen are alive due to lockdown”!!!!

By that logic anybody who had coronavirus, myself included, owe our inevitable recovery to a de facto house arrest!!! Please tell me what you said was done so in error!!??

No but, if you and your corona went rambling off to visit x y and z, the fûcking thing spreads like wildfire, death, destruction of lives en masse... lockdown IS the reason it didn’t get out of hand, lockdown was advocated by every serious expert in health, social and beyond. Knowing the capability of the virus, knowing the mindset of many of the fücking idiots in this country, it’s been correct, successful and warranted a measure.

Jayesdiem wrote: »

You are far too sure of yourself on that. If anything the evidence suggests otherwise and where has the “deadly second wave” gone since the BLM protests in multiple countries? Has Covid19 put its feet up for the summer?

Covid is out there, but the behavior, patience, selflessness, discipline and diligence from the ‘majority’ of people has ensured that SO FAR, the general outcome has been positive.

For it to continue we have to be vigilant in not letting any business, person, groups of people fûck this up, fûck lives up, we’ve been through too much to take our fingers off the trigger and relent and facilitate these absolute fûckwits.

Jayesdiem wrote: »

You are far too sure of yourself on that. If anything the evidence suggests otherwise and where has the “deadly second wave” gone since the BLM protests in multiple countries? Has Covid19 put its feet up for the summer?

Second wave might not hit till oct. China had a big increase today

Strumms wrote: »

Covid is out there, but the behavior, patience, selflessness, discipline and diligence from the ‘majority’ of people has ensured that SO FAR, the general outcome has been positive.

For it to continue we have to be vigilant in not letting any business, person, groups of people fûck this up, fûck lives up, we’ve been through too much to take our fingers off the trigger and relent and facilitate these absolute fûckwits.

Oh I see. The virus must have taken the day off for the protests. Any word on when it’s back?

Strumms wrote: »

For it to continue we have to be vigilant in not letting any business, person, groups of people fûck this up, fûck lives up, we’ve been through too much to take our fingers off the trigger and relent and facilitate these absolute fûckwits.

Like all of the thousands and thousands of people that are gathering together to protest? Just curious are they included in all the insults?

Jayesdiem wrote: »

LOL. The experts and their models also predicted 500,000 dead in the UK. I think we can leave the experts aside now and respond based on ongoing events and actuality instead.

Without a lockdown or restrictions that was a projected total, amongst other things.
Actually, source for that figure?