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George Floyd dies after police knelt on his neck (MOD NOTE IN POST #1)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    You only say that because you agree with the protest in this case,

    For instance if Garda while in uniform on the job publicly backed people who where out to canvas a NO vote for to repealing the 8th would you say that's professional

    Before you start the gymnastic you like to perform a Yes or a No is all im looking for ?

    More false dichotomy’s? Equivocate a constitutional amendment debate (evenly split in the polls mind you) with whether or not police should acknowledge that the lives of people in the communities they police and have been murdering Matter.

    Fcuk your yes or no question.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Can be arrested all they want it won't stick I court

    Oh you’re a god damn bar certified US attorney now?

    Well that’s ****ing convenient.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,953 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    Overheal wrote: »
    More false dichotomy’s? Equivocate a constitutional amendment debate (evenly split in the polls mind you) with whether or not police should acknowledge that the lives of people in the communities they police and have been murdering Matter.

    Fcuk your yes or no question.

    Why does it matter what the debate is or if it splits the polls or not ?

    So basically your admitting the police should only have the right to show there feelings if YOU or the majority of the public agree ?

    Can you not see the problem with your logic ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,010 ✭✭✭kildare lad


    No he didn't. Posted yesterday by Overheal it was one his accomplices

    Ah sure that's ok , he didn't have the gun but still took part in a home invasion , seems like a decent skin


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,953 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    Overheal wrote: »
    Oh you’re a god damn bar certified US attorney now?

    Well that’s ****ing convenient.

    No im just a person with common sense,


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Why does it matter what the debate is or if it splits the polls or not ?

    So basically your admitting the police should only have the right to show there feelings if YOU or the majority of the public agree ?

    Can you not see the problem with your logic ?

    No I don’t see any problem with the logic. We have 17,000 police departments in my country, which a bar certified US attorney would know. Police are very localized to the communities they serve. Police can take a knee if they want to remind the people they serve and protect that their lives matter. They aren’t taking a knee telling these people how to vote! Jesus


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Ah sure that's ok , he didn't have the gun but still took part in a home invasion , seems like a decent skin

    It’s still important to be clear with the facts.

    And even when you are clear with these facts they do not justify or diminish how wrong his murder was.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,982 ✭✭✭MeMen2_MoRi_


    Ah sure that's ok , he didn't have the gun but still took part in a home invasion , seems like a decent skin

    Saying he didn't hold the gun is a fact. I'm in no way saying he was a good skin for just being involved in it. Totally a sh!t thing to do. Thankfully he was caught and punished for committing this crime.
    I could say you see him being murdered at the knee of a cop as justice being served yet again on him for a crime he paid his dues for through being in prison..


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,874 ✭✭✭Edgware


    walshb wrote: »
    Yeh, but she was protesting. Nothing to see here!

    Well Miss Channon can be getting used to a new girlfriend for the next 10 years


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,010 ✭✭✭kildare lad


    Overheal wrote: »
    It’s still important to be clear with the facts.

    And even when you are clear with these facts they do not justify or diminish how wrong his murder was.

    I agree I was disgusted by his killing and the cop is getting done for it, eveything after I'm totally against , peaceful protests fine, looting and vandalism not so much . All this BLM is bullsh*t , until they sort out their problems in their own communities more black people are gonna continue dying , not by the police but by other black people . Sure we're even seeing it now in parts of Ireland gangs of black youths running riot in places. A lot of their culture is toxic glorifying gangstas, drugs, guns , thug life etc.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,874 ✭✭✭Edgware


    Can be arrested all they want it won't stick I court

    We'll see what the D.A. has to say about that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,010 ✭✭✭kildare lad




  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,693 ✭✭✭2u2me


    Overheal wrote: »
    It’s really heartbreaking to see with “crack babies”:

    Born and raised into a prison system.

    Isn't abortion legal now especially in the most liberal cities where we're seeing the most police brutality? (I'm not sure what part abortion has to play in this tbh I have never looked into it)

    Most people arrested aren't women, they're men. So even though your story is true; it's only part of the story. To make it fair; you would have to tell the story of 12 men to balance the narrative.

    Most men in the US now realise the american dream is dead. There is no social mobility anymore; any accusation against you is a smear for life(social or in law).
    People earn more respect in criminal enterprises.

    Why would anyone become a police officer these days if people are going to spit at you when you turn up to work? Become a criminal you could be "the man", on the streets or in prison.

    Work hard all your life as an upstanding citizen and your life will be ruined because your hand came too close to someone's ass once twenty years ago.
    Lose your job over a a pointed finger or a whispering accusation. Of course one could go the other way and constantly virtue-signal how upstanding they are, but as we've seen from J.K. Rowling this doesn't work either.

    Look at the MLS Serbian footballer Aleksandar Katai who was fired last week.
    • He was forced to apologize for his wife about something she wrote on twitter while he was practicising. Something he probably wasn't even aware of.
    • He was forced to apologize for her; that wasn't enough
    • He was forced to denounce his wife(something even the courts wouldn't do); that wasn't enough
    • He was then fired, and sent out through a mob of protestors in a walk of shame.

    What did he do? He didn't control his woman properly? It seems we're going backwards; not forwards.


  • Posts: 264 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Overheal wrote: »
    It’s still important to be clear with the facts.

    And even when you are clear with these facts they do not justify or diminish how wrong his murder was.

    Who was murdered ?

    Are YOU being clear with facts ?

    Or suiting your own agenda ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    I agree I was disgusted by his killing and the cop is getting done for it, eveything after I'm totally against , peaceful protests fine, looting and vandalism not so much . All this BLM is bullsh*t , until they sort out their problems in their own communities more black people are gonna continue dying , not by the police but by other black people . Sure we're even seeing it now in parts of Ireland gangs of black youths running riot in places. A lot of their culture is toxic glorifying gangstas, drugs, guns , thug life etc.

    You have the wrong impression of the problem. You don’t seem to understand why these communities are so fcuked to begin with, you don’t seem to understand why the cycle of gang culture keeps repeating itself. A first time offender can come back out of jail a hardened gang member because that’s what it takes to survive in the penal system. You join in or you die. That’s not hyperbole.

    Until you recognize that police officers are in a gang, you are stuck on square one.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,972 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    I agree I was disgusted by his killing and the cop is getting done for it, eveything after I'm totally against , peaceful protests fine, looting and vandalism not so much . All this BLM is bullsh*t , until they sort out their problems in their own communities more black people are gonna continue dying , not by the police but by other black people . Sure we're even seeing it now in parts of Ireland gangs of black youths running riot in places. A lot of their culture is toxic glorifying gangstas, drugs, guns , thug life etc.

    I listened to a video on FB there of a black man. Former cop or mayor or something, and he said cops are less likely to get rough with black people than white people....

    This whole movement is an absolute disgraceful overreaction to a death.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    THE_SHEEP wrote: »
    Who was murdered ?

    Are YOU being clear with facts ?

    Or suiting your own agenda ?

    George Floyd was murdered. Officers have been arrested for his murder. Officers have been charged with his murder. It’s murder.

    You watched that video and don’t think a murder happened? If so what the hell is wrong with you?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    walshb wrote: »
    I listened to a video on FB there of a black man. Former cop or mayor or something, and he said cops are less likely to get rough with black people than white people....

    This whole movement is an absolute disgraceful overreaction to a death.

    So you took the word of one former mayor or cop or something over an overwhelming body of evidence? And you attack me for bad logic.. !


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,972 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Overheal wrote: »
    You have the wrong impression of the problem. You don’t seem to understand why these communities are so fcuked to begin with, you don’t seem to understand why the cycle of gang culture keeps repeating itself. A first time offender can come back out of jail a hardened gang member because that’s what it takes to survive in the penal system. You join in or you die. That’s not hyperbole.

    Until you recognize that police officers are in a gang, you are stuck on square one.

    For crying out loud....will you give it a rest with the excuses. Page after page after page after page excusing and blaming everyone else....it's pathetic.

    That is not me attacking you personally. It's your posting....

    Do you not see it yourself? Everything is someone else's fault with you.....

    It's odd


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 840 ✭✭✭peddlelies


    ollkiller wrote: »
    Is it too hard to ask that a cop can assess what is a threat and what isn't. And it was obvious the 75 old man wasn't a threat. They could have easily walked around him. But no we'll go with the Robocop mentality on a 75 year old. They should be charged just for being that stupid.

    If they allow one person to break the line and approach them and start acting the bollix without consequence what type of precedent do you think that will set? It's unfortunate he fell and hit his head but his own actions led to that situation.


  • Posts: 264 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Overheal wrote: »
    George Floyd was murdered. Officers have been arrested for his murder. Officers have been charged with his murder. It’s murder.

    You watched that video and don’t think a murder happened? If so what the hell is wrong with you?

    Please provide evidence of the said officers being convicted of murder ? ( A clue : judge and jury , an actual JUDGEMENT against these officers )

    And not just your " opinion " .

    You know , clarity , and all that .

    ( P.s Only person with a conviction , in this instance , is Mr G . Floyd ) .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,010 ✭✭✭kildare lad


    Overheal wrote: »
    You have the wrong impression of the problem. You don’t seem to understand why these communities are so fcuked to begin with, you don’t seem to understand why the cycle of gang culture keeps repeating itself. A first time offender can come back out of jail a hardened gang member because that’s what it takes to survive in the penal system. You join in or you die. That’s not hyperbole.

    Until you recognize that police officers are in a gang, you are stuck on square one.

    Can you tell me why are black gangs acting like this in Ireland then , you don't see it happening with eastern Europeans kids , Asian kids or any other kids of immigrates we've taken in . They've never suffered any hardship over here and yet they act like little scumbags . The Australian government took in 30 ,000 Sudanese into Melbourne and now same story again , their kids all think they're Tupac and they're running amok over their aswell


    https://youtu.be/YfdYj8SR2qs


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,010 ✭✭✭kildare lad


    walshb wrote: »
    I listened to a video on FB there of a black man. Former cop or mayor or something, and he said cops are less likely to get rough with black people than white people....

    This whole movement is an absolute disgraceful overreaction to a death.

    And the funny thing is the black community hate him cos he speaks out about the problems in his community.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    2u2me wrote: »
    Isn't abortion legal now especially in the most liberal cities where we're seeing the most police brutality? (I'm not sure what part abortion has to play in this tbh I have never looked into it)

    Most people arrested aren't women, they're men. So even though your story is true; it's only part of the story. To make it fair; you would have to tell the story of 12 men to balance the narrative.

    Most men in the US now realise the american dream is dead. There is no social mobility anymore; any accusation against you is a smear for life(social or in law).
    People earn more respect in criminal enterprises.

    Why would anyone become a police officer these days if people are going to spit at you when you turn up to work? Become a criminal you could be "the man", on the streets or in prison.

    Work hard all your life as an upstanding citizen and your life will be ruined because your hand came too close to someone's ass once twenty years ago.
    Lose your job over a a pointed finger or a whispering accusation. Of course one could go the other way and constantly virtue-signal how upstanding they are, but as we've seen from J.K. Rowling this doesn't work either.

    Look at the MLS Serbian footballer Aleksandar Katai who was fired last week.
    • He was forced to apologize for his wife about something she wrote on twitter while he was practicising. Something he probably wasn't even aware of.
    • He was forced to apologize for her; that wasn't enough
    • He was forced to denounce his wife(something even the courts wouldn't do); that wasn't enough
    • He was then fired, and sent out through a mob of protestors in a walk of shame.

    What did he do? He didn't control his woman properly? It seems we're going backwards; not forwards.

    Cancel culture is protected by the first amendment. It’s like that ex wife of Johnny Depp you think anyone who was beside her wasn’t throughly incredibly dimly of?

    Abortions are a whole other hill of beans in the United States. I don’t want to expand on it here there’s not enough room, only to say that it is a beleaguered system that is constantly under threat from conservatives defunding it, throwing TRAP laws at it (Target Regulation of Abortion Providers, eg. Oh you want to administer abortifacients, well to do that you need to be a full surgical facility with this and that and you can’t be 1 mile from a school and and and), and since Trump was elected red states have passed all sorts of unconstitutional bans via heartbeat bills etc. specifically designed to trigger a new SCOTUS case hoping to overthrow Roe v Wade now that they have a majority on the bench, which they got by refusing to confirm Scalia’s replacement under Obama. That’s what this whole election in 2016 was about at its core, and most voters were distracted by emails and PizzaGate. 2020 is the same **** with Ginsburg looking to retire. Not to mention that people in power have constantly sought to shame black people (and liberals) because they abort often, and have placed stigmas around it. “Oh you don’t care about diversity whatabout black abortions” ignoring the fact that the person on the other side of that argument is often ignorantly advocating for more and more cradle-to-prison to happen. /rant


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Can you tell me why are black gangs acting like this in Ireland then , you don't see it happening with eastern Europeans kids , Asian kids or any other kids of immigrates we've taken in . They've never suffered any hardship over here and yet they act like little scumbags . The Australian government took in 30 ,000 Sudanese into Melbourne and now same story again , their kids all think they're Tupac and they're running amok over their aswell


    https://youtu.be/YfdYj8SR2qs

    I’ve got enough **** to talk about and unpack here in the United States that I don’t need to go down a rabbit hole with your problems over there or somewhere else. What happens in Ireland is not the same is what happens in Melbourne is not the same as what happens in Minneapolis is not the same as what happens in Los Angeles or in New York. We have got too much **** to unpack right here without obfuscating to an international scope.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    walshb wrote: »
    For crying out loud....will you give it a rest with the excuses. Page after page after page after page excusing and blaming everyone else....it's pathetic.

    That is not me attacking you personally. It's your posting....

    Do you not see it yourself? Everything is someone else's fault with you.....

    It's odd

    We have a real problem here when someone trying to explain to you the root causes of the problem is smeared as an excuse monger.

    I’m done talking with you then. You can try and figure this **** out on your own if that’s your attitude.


  • Posts: 264 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    THE_SHEEP wrote: »
    Please provide evidence of the said officers being convicted of murder ? ( A clue : judge and jury , an actual JUDGEMENT against these officers )

    And not just your " opinion " .

    You know , clarity , and all that .

    ( P.s Only person with a conviction , in this instance , is Mr G . Floyd ) .

    Please answer my above question !!

    Or, are you just going to ignore it ?

    Why am I not surprised by the lack of response .


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,010 ✭✭✭kildare lad


    Overheal wrote: »
    I’ve got enough **** to talk about and unpack here in the United States that I don’t need to go down a rabbit hole with your problems over there or somewhere else. What happens in Ireland is not the same is what happens in Melbourne is not the same as what happens in Minneapolis is not the same as what happens in Los Angeles or in New York. We have got too much **** to unpack right here without obfuscating to an international scope.

    Well your the one waffling on about all the problems they face and granted some of them are genuine in America but yet when I ask you to explain how blacks kids are running amok here and Australia where they don't face the same issues as they do in the states you can't answer that ???


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