Covid19 Part XVIII-25,473 in ROI(1,736 deaths) 5,760 in NI (551 deaths)(30/06)Read OP

Snickers Man · 11-06-2020 02:07PM

Theboinkmaster wrote: »

I find it hard to believe they're only overtaking us now - do we report in the same way? They're probably not comparable.

There are certainly discrepancies in the worldometers figures, and I guess that they only take what figures are produced by each country's governments or health agencies. But it's not a total surprise. Countries who score badly in the "Deaths per million" statistic tend to be the smaller ones. Worst case in the world is Sam Marino, and it has been for months. Their deaths per million rate is 1,238. Next highest is Belgium at 832. But SM's total death count is only 42!!!

Other countries (sic) with very high deaths per million scores are Andorra (680) and St Maarten (360) both wore than us but they have tiny populations. If you only consider countries with populations greater than 0.5million then the top 10 league of high death rate countries as of today is Belgium, UK, Spain, Italy, Sweden France, Netherlands, USA, Ireland and Switzerland.

Sweden has been moving steadily up the charts. A few weeks ago it was level pegging with IReland, then it overtook us and Netherlands and is now worse than France. USA has been deteriorating too.

Snickers Man · 11-06-2020 02:09PM

bb1234567 wrote: »

Why should a bigger country be ashamed of the same level of deaths just because they are a bigger country?

Arithmetic 101

Rob A. Bank · 11-06-2020 03:12PM

These charts from John Hopkins University are useful to get a feel for where the pandemic is growing most rapidly.

The slope of the graph indicates the speed of increase and if the graph becomes 'S' shaped (like Italy or France) they have the situation under control.

A worrying number of highly populated countries are still on a steep upwards trajectory.

freshpopcorn · 11-06-2020 03:19PM

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political analyst · 11-06-2020 03:31PM

ixoy wrote: »

Yes, I believe so in both cases.
I did glance - quickly enough - at the paper published in the Lancet regarding social distancing and masks. It was drawn I believe from multiple studies so it relied heavily say on papers on SARS. Conclusion though definitely looked to favour masks. Less clear on the distance needed in social distancing beyond the 1m.

Given that this virus is SARS CoV 2, and that the earliest cases in China were reported as being similar to SARS CoV 1, which broke out in 2002, why was there still uncertainty in the WHO as to whether this virus was transmittable from human to human?

Onesea · 11-06-2020 03:53PM

The Coronovirus has not originated naturally but was probably developed by Chinese and American scientists, according to a Norwegian vaccine scientist.

Vaccine scientist Birger Sørensen shows in a study that the so-called spike protein of the virus contains sequences that appear to have been inserted artificially, reports NRK.

Sørensen has collaborated with British professor Angus Dalgliesh, and the recent study is published in the journal Quarterly Review of Biophysics.

“When we technically describe the virus, we see that it has not come about as a natural development. It’s done by the Americans and Chinese as part of what’s called “gain of function” studies. It is being done all over the world. You say you don’t, but it happens all the time in advanced labs,” said Sørensen.

The study points out that the Coronavirus has almost not mutated since it started transmitting between humans, which may indicate that the virus was already adapted to humans. Sørensen emphasizes that it is uncommon for viruses when they cross the species barriers

From Norway today web page.

Are there any Irish scientists with similar views?

Tenzor07 · 11-06-2020 04:03PM

Onesea wrote: »

The Coronovirus has not originated naturally but was probably developed by Chinese and American scientists, according to a Norwegian vaccine scientist.Vaccine scientist Birger Sørensen shows in a study that the so-called spike protein of the virus contains sequences that appear to have been inserted artificially, reports NRK.

Shouldn't this be in the "Conspiracy Theory" forum? :rolleyes:

podgeandrodge · 11-06-2020 04:08PM

Onesea wrote: »

The Coronovirus has not originated naturally but was probably developed by Chinese and American scientists, according to a Norwegian vaccine scientist.

Vaccine scientist Birger Sørensen shows in a study that the so-called spike protein of the virus contains sequences that appear to have been inserted artificially, reports NRK.

Sørensen has collaborated with British professor Angus Dalgliesh, and the recent study is published in the journal Quarterly Review of Biophysics.

“When we technically describe the virus, we see that it has not come about as a natural development. It’s done by the Americans and Chinese as part of what’s called “gain of function” studies. It is being done all over the world. You say you don’t, but it happens all the time in advanced labs,” said Sørensen.

The study points out that the Coronavirus has almost not mutated since it started transmitting between humans, which may indicate that the virus was already adapted to humans. Sørensen emphasizes that it is uncommon for viruses when they cross the species barriers

From Norway today web page.

Are there any Irish scientists with similar views?

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Shouldn't this be in the "Conspiracy Theory" forum? :rolleyes:

Only if it is a conspiracy other than in the minds of a tiny minority. I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but am open to the possibility that this was man made, as there have been various opinions expressed about the potential, albeit no proof. Controversial theory perhaps rather than conspiracy theory? A conspiracy theory would be more that it was man made to spread around and kill us all. Perhaps it's just an accident, but man made. Possibly.

schmoo2k · 11-06-2020 04:26PM

podgeandrodge wrote: »

Only if it is a conspiracy other than in the minds of a tiny minority. I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but am open to the possibility that this was man made, as there have been various opinions expressed about the potential, albeit no proof. Controversial theory perhaps rather than conspiracy theory? A conspiracy theory would be more that it was man made to spread around and kill us all. Perhaps it's just an accident, but man made. Possibly.

Or you could just apply Occam's Razor...

GooglePlus · 11-06-2020 04:27PM

Do we know why SARS 1 disappeared in the end?

schmoo2k · 11-06-2020 04:29PM

GooglePlus wrote: »

Do we know why SARS 1 disappeared in the end?

It was contained and they maintained a R0 of less than 1

bodhrandude · 11-06-2020 04:32PM

Is the briefing at 5.30 today.

What Username Guidelines · 11-06-2020 04:33PM

GooglePlus wrote: »

Do we know why SARS 1 disappeared in the end?

People were infectious only after showing symptoms so it was easier to contain, I believe it was a little heavier-hitting that covid-19 too, so harder to spread if people were stuck in bed or at home as opposed to moving around with mild or no symptoms.

ACitizenErased · 11-06-2020 04:37PM

https://twitter.com/RobOHanrahan/status/1271118238756339714?s=20

stephenjmcd · 11-06-2020 04:37PM

bodhrandude wrote: »

Is the briefing at 5.30 today.

6 today

Snow Garden · 11-06-2020 04:38PM

bodhrandude wrote: »

Is the briefing at 5.30 today.

Do people still watch these? I haven't seen one in months now. There must be some kind of ghoulish fascination with then.

GooglePlus · 11-06-2020 04:39PM

What Username Guidelines wrote: »

People were infectious only after showing symptoms so it was easier to contain, I believe it was a little heavier-hitting that covid-19 too, so harder to spread if people were stuck in bed or at home as opposed to moving around with mild or no symptoms.

Ah ok, unlikely to be as lucky this time around then? I had hopes that it just fizzled out but if that's the reason why, how are we to fair out going forward

11-06-2020 04:39PM

political analyst wrote: »

Given that this virus is SARS CoV 2, and that the earliest cases in China were reported as being similar to SARS CoV 1, which broke out in 2002, why was there still uncertainty in the WHO as to whether this virus was transmittable from human to human?

The virus did not arrive with a name tag, and was only named sars cov2 after detailed study

Tenzor07 · 11-06-2020 04:40PM

podgeandrodge wrote: »

Only if it is a conspiracy other than in the minds of a tiny minority. I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but am open to the possibility that this was man made, as there have been various opinions expressed about the potential, albeit no proof. Controversial theory perhaps rather than conspiracy theory? A conspiracy theory would be more that it was man made to spread around and kill us all. Perhaps it's just an accident, but man made. Possibly.

My point is that only someone who would generally believe in a lot of these conspiracy theory claims floating around would believe that Sars COv 2 was man made.
I mean it's more possible that the current Coronavirus has been around for years now and the spikes which cause it to be so deadly have come about as part of a mutation of the Virus.

11-06-2020 04:43PM

Onesea wrote: »

The Coronovirus has not originated naturally but was probably developed by Chinese and American scientists, according to a Norwegian vaccine scientist.

Vaccine scientist Birger Sørensen shows in a study that the so-called spike protein of the virus contains sequences that appear to have been inserted artificially, reports NRK.

Sørensen has collaborated with British professor Angus Dalgliesh, and the recent study is published in the journal Quarterly Review of Biophysics.

“When we technically describe the virus, we see that it has not come about as a natural development. It’s done by the Americans and Chinese as part of what’s called “gain of function” studies. It is being done all over the world. You say you don’t, but it happens all the time in advanced labs,” said Sørensen.

The study points out that the Coronavirus has almost not mutated since it started transmitting between humans, which may indicate that the virus was already adapted to humans. Sørensen emphasizes that it is uncommon for viruses when they cross the species barriers

From Norway today web page.

Are there any Irish scientists with similar views?

Not to many according to
https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidnikel/2020/06/07/controversial-coronavirus-lab-origin-claims-dismissed-by-experts/

sheepsh4gger · 11-06-2020 04:46PM

I was right. Now that they re-opened there's a new wave of infections. US is getting rekt at the moment.
This is not even accounting for the second wave in the fall.
This is not a recession but a depression. Look at Hertz.

Deeper Blue · 11-06-2020 04:49PM

sheepsh4gger wrote: »

I was right. Now that they re-opened there's a new wave of infections. US is getting rekt at the moment.
This is not even accounting for the second wave in the fall.
This is not a recession but a depression. Look at Hertz.

Who's "they"? Obviously nowhere in Europe

Hyperbolic nonsense

ACitizenErased · 11-06-2020 04:50PM

sheepsh4gger wrote: »

I was right. Now that they re-opened there's a new wave of infections. US is getting rekt at the moment.
This is not even accounting for the second wave in the fall.
This is not a recession but a depression. Look at Hertz.

What wave? The US' first wave hasn't even ended yet.

nocoverart · 11-06-2020 04:50PM

sheepsh4gger wrote: »

I was right. Now that they re-opened there's a new wave of infections. US is getting rekt at the moment.
This is not even accounting for the second wave in the fall.
This is not a recession but a depression. Look at Hertz.

You’re a bit of an idiot, and the way you casually use “rext “ when talking about people’s life’s grates on me severely.

Stheno · 11-06-2020 04:51PM

NDWC wrote: »

Who's "they"? Obviously nowhere in Europe

Hyperbolic nonsense

The US spikes in twelve states, one back on emergency preparedness for hospitals, think its Arizona

ACitizenErased · 11-06-2020 04:51PM

8 more deaths RIP

8 new cases (so much for a 'resurgance')

wadacrack · 11-06-2020 04:52PM

https://twitter.com/ShaneBeattyNews/status/1271122876775763975

ACitizenErased · 11-06-2020 04:53PM

https://twitter.com/RobOHanrahan/status/1271123248160350208?s=20

GooglePlus · 11-06-2020 04:54PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

8 more deaths RIP

8 new cases (so much for a 'resurgance')

Were we due a resurgence today, I hadn't heard anything?

Hopefully it's not just delayed by a few hours or so

Tenzor07 · 11-06-2020 04:54PM

Back into single digits for new Infections is great news, how long before we see Zero new cases...

Covid19 Part XVIII-25,473 in ROI(1,736 deaths) 5,760 in NI (551 deaths)(30/06)Read OP

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