Covid19 Part XVIII-25,473 in ROI(1,736 deaths) 5,760 in NI (551 deaths)(30/06)Read OP

schmoo2k · 11-06-2020 07:52AM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

How did New Zealand do so well (strange using well about Covid19) with low cases and deaths

New Zealand I can understand - what about Thailand and Vietnam (they did even better)???

Solli · 11-06-2020 07:56AM

Individuals in the UK who were overweight or obese made up 78% of the confirmed Covid-19 infections and 62% of the Covid-19 deaths in hospitals, the authors noted.

In today’s British Medical Journal, study by Graham McGregor, London St Barts.

dundalkfc10 · 11-06-2020 07:59AM

Deleted User wrote: »

The director of the screening programme on Newstalk this morning saying it will be months before screening starts. That is absolutely ****ing shocking. My wife is raging

This is a disgrace. Bet your bottom dollar any person in power or has money will be seen to if needed.

double jobbing · 11-06-2020 08:01AM

schmoo2k wrote: »

New Zealand I can understand - what about Thailand and Vietnam (they did even better)???

I'd trust Vietnam's stats as far as I'd trust North Korea's. Not saying they didn't get a handle on it but it's funny how the statistically best performing states in the epidemic are all communist dictatorships.

What Username Guidelines · 11-06-2020 08:07AM

leahyl wrote: »

Heard this morning on the radio that the average number of close contacts for those diagnosed has increased to 3.5 (which is to be expected) but one person had 25 close contacts! That’s taking the piss now in fairness

In fairness it could be work related, but that's a lot alright. On the other hand, at least they are being honest and identifying them all

JP Liz V1 · 11-06-2020 08:18AM

Deleted User wrote: »

The director of the screening programme on Newstalk this morning saying it will be months before screening starts. That is absolutely ****ing shocking. My wife is raging

Did Harris and the HSE learn anything from the past Cervical scandal, now racing back, beauty and hair salons opening sooner and probably pubs too but no screenings

11-06-2020 08:19AM

double jobbing wrote: »

I'd trust Vietnam's stats as far as I'd trust North Korea's. Not saying they didn't get a handle on it but it's funny how the statistically best performing states in the epidemic are all communist dictatorships.

They can take way stronger measures than normal countries.

ShyMets · 11-06-2020 08:29AM

What Username Guidelines wrote: »

In fairness it could be work related, but that's a lot alright. On the other hand, at least they are being honest and identifying them all

25 is very large number and while its highly unlikely all 25 have contracted the virus, its very possible that some of those contacts have contracted it. The question is how many people have they interacted with.

This one person, unintentionally of course, may have caused multiple cases. It really highlights the need to maintain social distance and limit our contacts

Benimar · 11-06-2020 08:30AM

What Username Guidelines wrote: »

In fairness it could be work related, but that's a lot alright. On the other hand, at least they are being honest and identifying them all

That is a concern of mine too. I'm sure there are some who won't want to admit they have had more contacts than they should.

Also, younger people are getting it. Can you imagine some 16 year old admitting in front of a parent exactly what they have been up to :eek::D

11-06-2020 08:37AM

ShyMets wrote: »

25 is very large number and while its highly unlikely all 25 have contracted the virus, its very possible that some of those contacts have contracted it. The question is how many people have they interacted with.

This one person, unintentionally of course, may have caused multiple cases. It really highlights the need to maintain social distance and limit our contacts

Yes but shaming the high number of contacts reported will only lead to people lying about their close contacts list. Particularly as we reopen and high numbers become something that should actually be acceptable.

Benimar · 11-06-2020 08:39AM

AdamD wrote: »

Yes but shaming the high number of contacts reported will only lead to people lying about their close contacts list. Particularly as we reopen and high numbers become something that should actually be acceptable.

I tend to agree, but unless this is a work scenario, there is no way with the current restrictions anyone should be having 25 close contacts!

It will be different as restrictions ease of course.

Boggles · 11-06-2020 08:50AM

AdamD wrote: »

Yes but shaming the high number of contacts reported will only lead to people lying about their close contacts list. Particularly as we reopen and high numbers become something that should actually be acceptable.

They are not publishing names, their will be no public shaming, I imagine the contact tracers are pretty softly in their approach.

That said I know of quite a few families who would struggle to name their contacts in the past couple of weeks, absolute píss been taken. Bit of public shaming may not be a bad idea.

It's the reason they are asking people to make a list of their daily contacts, pretty sure almost no one is doing that though.

The Irish treat Covid 19 recommendations like a pick and mix, they choose the ones that suits them most.

caveat emptor · 11-06-2020 08:58AM

Interesting that Neil Ferguson points out that death toll could have been halved by implementing lockdown one week earlier considering it was doubling every 3 to 4 days.

UK clearly didn't act quickly enough. This fact also applies here. Is it an acceptable level of loss? We could have halved the death toll by implementing restrictions 4 days earlier.

is_that_so · 11-06-2020 09:04AM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Interesting that Neil Ferguson points out that death toll could have been halved by implementing lockdown one week earlier considering it was doubling every 3 to 4 days.

UK clearly didn't act quickly enough. This fact also applies here. Is it an acceptable level of loss? We could have halved the death toll by implementing restrictions 4 days earlier.

Acceptable is that every country did not experience more deaths than they've had. To apply proportionality to an unknown pathogen really makes no logical sense, especially one that has a very wide range of unpredictable effects.

tom1ie · 11-06-2020 09:05AM

Boggles wrote: »

They are not publishing names, their will be no public shaming, I imagine the contact tracers are pretty softly in their approach.

That said I know of quite a few families who would struggle to name their contacts in the past couple of weeks, absolute píss been taken. Bit of public shaming may not be a bad idea.

It's the reason they are asking people to make a list of their daily contacts, pretty sure almost no one is doing that though.

The Irish treat Covid 19 recommendations like a pick and mix, they choose the ones that suits them most.

So are we saying the contact list should be anyone you have come into contact with or anyone you have come into contact with that you may not have socially distanced with?

hmmm · 11-06-2020 09:09AM

tom1ie wrote: »

So are we saying the contact list should be anyone you have come into contact with or anyone you have come into contact with that you may not have socially distanced with?

Assuming this is correct, close contacts are defined as less than 2 metres distance from someone for 15 minutes.

https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/coronavirus/novelcoronavirus/casedefinitions/

pc7 · 11-06-2020 09:11AM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

How did New Zealand do so well (strange using well about Covid19) with low cases and deaths

Can't remember who said it on twitter or whether it has any relevance at all, but they mentioned as they have no Ozone in parts of NZ the UV would be a big help? Could be rubbish, I go with the its isolated and they closed the borders.

Benimar · 11-06-2020 09:11AM

hmmm wrote: »

Assuming this is correct, close contacts are defined as less than 2 metres distance from someone for 15 minutes.

https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/coronavirus/novelcoronavirus/casedefinitions/

My close contact list for the past 3 months would have the same 3 names on it :pac:

Don't think I need to write it down every day

What Username Guidelines · 11-06-2020 09:15AM

Boggles wrote: »

That said I know of quite a few families who would struggle to name their contacts in the past couple of weeks, absolute píss been taken. Bit of public shaming may not be a bad idea.

I'd say my neighbours would be in the 50+ range. Living like absolutely nothing is happening, in fact I think they've far more visitors in the last few months, full families and random kids staying each day.

Having said that, knowing these people, they'll likely be absolutely fine and not come in contact with it at all, will continue to be completely ignorant to the whole thing. In fact, I may even be slightly envious of the relaxed attitude they're able to have

is_that_so · 11-06-2020 09:15AM

pc7 wrote: »

Can't remember who said it on twitter or whether it has any relevance at all, but they mentioned as they have no Ozone in parts of NZ the UV would be a big help? Could be rubbish, I go with the its isolated and they closed the borders.

Lower population density too.

Onesea · 11-06-2020 09:22AM

Are we to expect a huge spread in covid 19 due to the rescent protests a cross Ireland, Europe and America?

podgeandrodge · 11-06-2020 09:24AM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Interesting that Neil Ferguson points out that death toll could have been halved by implementing lockdown one week earlier considering it was doubling every 3 to 4 days.

UK clearly didn't act quickly enough. This fact also applies here. Is it an acceptable level of loss? We could have halved the death toll by implementing restrictions 4 days earlier.

Of course, we will never know if he is right or not. "could have been halved". He hasn't had a great history with predictions either.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8164121/Professor-predicted-500-000-Britons-die-coronavirus-accused-having-patchy-record.html

is_that_so · 11-06-2020 09:25AM

Onesea wrote: »

Are we to expect a huge spread in covid 19 due to the recent protests across Ireland, Europe and America?

Concern has been expressed but it was really only one big one. I don't think we'll see one and the UK may be OK too but the US is definitely a risk.

double jobbing · 11-06-2020 09:32AM

Onesea wrote: »

Are we to expect a huge spread in covid 19 due to the rescent protests a cross Ireland, Europe and America?

Thankfully by the time those clowns marched on the bank holiday Monday here the virus was effectively dead in the community. It is statistically unlikely a single one of the 5000 goons at the march were a carrier. Two weeks on and our stats are still rock bottom.

Boggles · 11-06-2020 09:39AM

The New Zealand is in the middle of now where theory as the main reason it eradicated the virus is complete nonsense.

The country in red is Slovakia.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/slovakia/

Averaging around 1 case a day, last death almost a month ago.

What Username Guidelines · 11-06-2020 09:46AM

Onesea wrote: »

Are we to expect a huge spread in covid 19 due to the rescent protests a cross Ireland, Europe and America?

It's an interesting one with a lot of factors. They happened around the same time as relaxation of restrictions, so hard to pin point the cause of an increase, if any. There may also be an interesting factor around incubation period, it may have spread somewhat and a number of people may carry it with mild to no symptoms, passing it on to others more vulnerable or at risk, which would take longer to see an impact on positive tests, hospitalisation, and ICU admission spikes, again, if any.

Onesea · 11-06-2020 09:47AM

Boggles wrote: »

The New Zealand is in the middle of now where theory as the main reason it eradicated the virus is complete nonsense.

The country in red is Slovakia.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/slovakia/

Averaging around 1 case a day, last death almost a month ago.

You'd start to wonder if someone is telling porkies.

double jobbing · 11-06-2020 10:33AM

Onesea wrote: »

You'd start to wonder if someone is telling porkies.

Not really. At one stage Slovakia wasn't even letting its own citizens back in let alone a few thousand Italian rugby fans and Paddys Day revellers.

Throughout the crisis it was perfectly legal for a person from Bergamo suffering a fever to come to Ireland and do as they pleased. It was only the lack of available flights and hotels that prevented it. To Leo Varadkar the principles of his beloved EU, in particularly freedom of movement, are not to be tampered with under any and all circumstances.

11-06-2020 10:35AM

Vietnam wasn't letting its own citizens back for a while either till the quarantine camps had room for them.

tom1ie · 11-06-2020 10:41AM

is_that_so wrote: »

Concern has been expressed but it was really only one big one. I don't think we'll see one and the UK may be OK too but the US is definitely a risk.

If the US is a risk why is the UK not? Rioting and protests on multiple nights in multiple cities in the UK.
In Ireland we’ve had multiple protests across cork and Dublin. Think there was one in limerick too?
Let’s not forget Brazil and also across Europe where we have seen protests in France Belgium Germany etc etc.

Covid19 Part XVIII-25,473 in ROI(1,736 deaths) 5,760 in NI (551 deaths)(30/06)Read OP

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