Madeleine McCann

11-06-2020 01:45AM

retro:electro wrote: »

Maybe because, as you say yourself, it was just a guy in a pub talking shlt, and wasn’t worth investigating? And since then they have found something more substantial that they are not willing to disclose at the expense of a fair trial, but still need public help with?
Most people who have any kind of minor grasp on how these things tend to work would understand that.

I think I read that they have any number of people (well something over 100) trying to confess to her murder. Mainly fruitcakes, I reckon, people who enjoy notoriety or maybe desire to be punished for guilty thoughts. And a good number of those likely already had convictions for various other offences against society.

It’s like Annie McCarrick & other cases of missing people, and indeed the Yorkshire Ripper case, the police forces are always having to deal with time-wasters and false confessions.

JustAThought · 11-06-2020 07:39AM

whats profoundly disturbing, in addition to the horrifying situation that Madeleine Mccann may have been subjected to, is the amount of convicted child molesters, child rapists and criminal vermin scurrying across borders and hiding themselves in plain sight in other towns and cities. Is there no tracking of rapists and paedophiles in Europe.

We seriously need to stop
pandering to the ‘rights’ of criminal vermin, rapists and child sex attackers and put into place the Californian system where we can look up convicted predators and see their photos, what they have been convicted of, where they are living and be able to make the appropriate
choices to protect ourselves and our families.

Banana Republic. · 11-06-2020 07:42AM

JustAThought wrote: »

whats profoundly disturbing, in addition to the horrifying situation that Madeleine Mccann may have been subjected to, is the amount of convicted child molesters, child rapists and criminal vermin scurrying across borders and hiding themselves in plain sight in other towns and cities. Is there no tracking of rapists and paedophiles in Europe.

We seriously need to stop
pandering to the ‘rights’ of criminal vermin, rapists and child sex attackers and put into place the Californian system where we can look up convicted predators and see their photos, what they have been convicted of, where they are living and be able to make the appropriate
choices to protect ourselves and our families.

The best post on this thread. America is the only country that has stats on missing persons and their rates if being found. I found that astonishing. The rights of children need to come first ahead of these bottom feeders, The sh** on the end of my shoe belongs more to this earth then those vile creatures.

LillySV · 11-06-2020 08:06AM

Watchin a documentary last night on Maddie and to be honest , i really can see why Maddies parents are the biggest suspects to the Portuguese.... no forced entry ... no sign of anyone else’s fingerprints on window apart from Kate’s.No sign of any struggles in house..blankets left untouched etc..English bring over special dogs who smell chemicals from death and who smell human blood, both go crazy at couch and at a wardrobe in the McCanns apartment... they also go crazy when they smell the car that the McCanns has hired..... the Irish guy who seen a kid been carried away that night recognized that he looked like and carried the kid the exact same way as Gerry does when he carries his other kid....and that’s just some of the facts that point to the McCanns....

If it was this German man... then he clearly was a genius to have been able to get away for so long...

limnam · 11-06-2020 08:10AM

LillySV wrote: »

If it was this German man... then he clearly was a genius to have been able to get away for so long...

He's not coming across like much of a genius.

Anything4883 · 11-06-2020 08:12AM

LillySV wrote: »

Watchin a documentary last night on Maddie and to be honest , i really can see why Maddies parents are the biggest suspects to the Portuguese.... no forced entry ... no sign of anyone else’s fingerprints on window apart from Kate’s.No sign of any struggles in house..blankets left untouched etc..English bring over special dogs who smell chemicals from death and who smell human blood, both go crazy at couch and at a wardrobe in the McCanns apartment... they also go crazy when they smell the car that the McCanns has hired..... the Irish guy who seen a kid been carried away that night recognized that he looked like and carried the kid the exact same way as Gerry does when he carries his other kid....and that’s just some of the facts that point to the McCanns....

If it was this German man... then he clearly was a genius to have been able to get away for so long...

I normally carry a sleeping child by the legs. I can see why carrying a sleeping child in two arms would look suspect alright.
:rolleyes:

weldoninhio · 11-06-2020 08:18AM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

So nobody said it and you have made an assumption

The fact someone is going on they would be incapable of looking after the children the next day shows the rubbish people will put up in regards to this

You are talking about at most 7-10. Plenty of people the World over could have maybe 1 glass of wine over that duration. I think it says more abotu the people on here that they think having dinner over 2 hours means you have to get fully tanked up

100% agree with this. Sure they just fired them into the kids club during the day. Someone elses problem.

Banana Republic. · 11-06-2020 08:52AM

LillySV wrote: »

Watchin a documentary last night on Maddie and to be honest , i really can see why Maddies parents are the biggest suspects to the Portuguese.... no forced entry ... no sign of anyone else’s fingerprints on window apart from Kate’s.No sign of any struggles in house..blankets left untouched etc..English bring over special dogs who smell chemicals from death and who smell human blood, both go crazy at couch and at a wardrobe in the McCanns apartment... they also go crazy when they smell the car that the McCanns has hired..... the Irish guy who seen a kid been carried away that night recognized that he looked like and carried the kid the exact same way as Gerry does when he carries his other kid....and that’s just some of the facts that point to the McCanns....

If it was this German man... then he clearly was a genius to have been able to get away for so long...

Picture perfect crime scene, Mad isn’t it? By the way you might get a ticking off for not using her full name, few people have chastised me over it in the recent past. Now back to your post, lots of people are ignoring these facts.

Rock77 · 11-06-2020 09:22AM

LillySV wrote: »

Watchin a documentary last night on Maddie and to be honest , i really can see why Maddies parents are the biggest suspects to the Portuguese.... no forced entry ... no sign of anyone else’s fingerprints on window apart from Kate’s.No sign of any struggles in house..blankets left untouched etc..English bring over special dogs who smell chemicals from death and who smell human blood, both go crazy at couch and at a wardrobe in the McCanns apartment... they also go crazy when they smell the car that the McCanns has hired..... the Irish guy who seen a kid been carried away that night recognized that he looked like and carried the kid the exact same way as Gerry does when he carries his other kid....and that’s just some of the facts that point to the McCanns....

If it was this German man... then he clearly was a genius to have been able to get away for so long...

No forced entry- the place wasn’t locked.. no need

No fingerprints- gloves

No struggles- the child was 3.....

The dogs-I haven’t seen but they can only give an indication where to look if I’m correct and nothing was found.

A guy saw a man carrying a child...

The only thing remotely here that points to the McCanns in anyway whatsoever is the dogs in my opinion.

Banana Republic. · 11-06-2020 09:29AM

Rock77 wrote: »

No forced entry- the place wasn’t locked.. no need

No fingerprints- gloves

No struggles- the child was 3.....

The dogs-I haven’t seen but they can only give an indication where to look if I’m correct and nothing was found.

A guy saw a man carrying a child...

The only thing remotely here that points to the McCanns in anyway whatsoever is the dogs in my opinion.

Add to the place wasn’t locked, putting kids in imminent danger. The guy said he was very like Gerry when Gerry was boarding the plane home and that family have went very quiet for some unknown reason. No glove marks were found on the window, None.

LillySV · 11-06-2020 09:34AM

Banana Republic. wrote: »

Picture perfect crime scene, Mad isn’t it? By the way you might get a ticking off for not using her full name, few people have chastised me over it in the recent past. Now back to your post, lots of people are ignoring these facts.

It really does seem to be ...and it’s not just the Portuguese who think that ... a lot of English investigators and reporters thought the same .. in regards to not usin full name, meant no disrespect to the poor girl... just used it as heard her referred to that way for most of documentary last night.

Banana Republic. · 11-06-2020 09:39AM

LillySV wrote: »

It really does seem to be ...and it’s not just the Portuguese who think that ... a lot of English investigators and reporters thought the same .. in regards to not usin full name, meant no disrespect to the poor girl... just used it as heard her referred to that way for most of documentary last night.

Yes as I’ve explained to other posters ppl don’t mean it in a disrespectful manner, anywho it seems like the perfect crime, too perfect IMO.

dark crystal · 11-06-2020 09:40AM

LillySV wrote: »

Watchin a documentary last night on Maddie and to be honest , i really can see why Maddies parents are the biggest suspects to the Portuguese.... no forced entry ... no sign of anyone else’s fingerprints on window apart from Kate’s.No sign of any struggles in house..blankets left untouched etc..English bring over special dogs who smell chemicals from death and who smell human blood, both go crazy at couch and at a wardrobe in the McCanns apartment... they also go crazy when they smell the car that the McCanns has hired..... the Irish guy who seen a kid been carried away that night recognized that he looked like and carried the kid the exact same way as Gerry does when he carries his other kid....and that’s just some of the facts that point to the McCanns....

If it was this German man... then he clearly was a genius to have been able to get away for so long...

No forced entry: The door was unlocked.

No fingerprints: An experienced burglar wears gloves. Crime scene not preserved.

No sign of struggle/blankets: What signs of struggle would there be? Blankets were pulled back, not untouched.

Dogs: Blood could be from any number of the thousands of people who rented the apartment over the years. No DNA evidence to substantiate whose blood was detected. Martin Grimes kept tapping McCanns car - the only one in garage with 'find Madeline' posters on it.

The Martin Smith sighting: Took place at 10pm at a location about a Kilometer from the resort, at the same time the alarm was being raised. How could Gerry be in two places at once?

How any of this looks like valid proof to anyone, I don't know..

dark crystal · 11-06-2020 09:42AM

weldoninhio wrote: »

100% agree with this. Sure they just fired them into the kids club during the day. Someone elses problem.

So now they're bad parents for using the family resort's kiddies activity club on a family holiday?

Lot of bad parents out there so...

Rock77 · 11-06-2020 09:57AM

Banana Republic. wrote: »

Add to the place wasn’t locked, putting kids in imminent danger. The guy said he was very like Gerry when Gerry was boarding the plane home and that family have went very quiet for some unknown reason. No glove marks were found on the window, None.

Listen I hear you but the dogs are the only thing remotely close to making me suspicious of the parents. The Irish guy was 1km away apparently at 10pm so that pretty much rules that out?

Does the fact they left them alone in an unlocked flat make me think they were grossly negligent or murderers..

Am I missing something with the window? The door was unlocked, why would anyone go near the window?

Sorry but there is just nothing there for me to suspect the parents of a child in her disappearance. The first thing anyone does when finding their child even if they think they are dead is try to revive them, call an ambulance... not hide the body and pretend they were kidnapped.

Baggly · 11-06-2020 10:01AM

Mod

After discussion with retro:electro, the users threadban is lifted.

Leave out the sniping, be civil in disagreeing with others:

Thanks.

MoonUnit75 · 11-06-2020 10:08AM

dark crystal wrote: »

So now they're bad parents for using the family resort's kiddies activity club on a family holiday?

Lot of bad parents out there so...

I think most people can kind of understand people leaving their kids in childcare each day on holiday, putting them back in daily childcare after one has dissapeared seems more unusual to me. It’s not that they are bad parents, just different priorities from a lot of families.

dark crystal · 11-06-2020 10:19AM

MoonUnit75 wrote: »

I think most people can kind of understand people leaving their kids in childcare each day on holiday, putting them back in daily childcare after one has dissapeared seems more unusual to me. It’s not that they are bad parents, just different priorities from a lot of families.

When did they do that? As far as I'm aware, their family flew over to Portugal and helped with the twins after Madeleine's disappearance.

Anyway, that's not what that poster inferred. He was criticising them for using the clubs at all. Period.

Rock77 · 11-06-2020 10:20AM

MoonUnit75 wrote: »

I think most people can kind of understand people leaving their kids in childcare each day on holiday, putting them back in daily childcare after one has dissapeared seems more unusual to me. It’s not that they are bad parents, just different priorities from a lot of families.

They put them back in after Madeline was gone? That is strange... I’m pretty sure I wouldn’t let them out of my sight..

MoonUnit75 · 11-06-2020 10:21AM

dark crystal wrote: »

When did they do that? As far as I'm aware, their family flew over to Portugal and helped with the twins after Madeleine's disappearance.

Also, that's not what that poster inferred. He was criticising them for using the clubs at all. Period.

Gerry wrote in his early blogs that the twins were back in their childcare in the Mark Warner complex. They are still online somewhere.

EDIT:
Gerry McCann’s first blog post on their website:
“ 9.00-9.15 We take Sean and Amelie to Kids’ Club. They really enjoy it and run in.

They know the staff well and the staff are all excellent. Both love the domestic corner and Amelie particularly likes to look after ‘babies’. We use the kids club a bit like nursery at home but we think Sean and Amelie still think they are on holiday!”

NutmegGirl · 11-06-2020 10:37AM

Well if they were meeting the police and searching Etc they wouldn’t have been able to bring 2 small children with them, that wouldn’t have been practical esp with no car or car seats which you most likely wouldn’t have with you if you’d never planned on hiring a car , the logistics just wouldn’t work
The police prob wouldn’t have wanted the kids in at interviews etc ,
It was the end of the holiday, the kids were prob used to the staff at that stage and I’d imagine the club staff would have been watching them v closely
And a kids club with plenty of toys, facilities etc would have been the best place for them and familiar
Also, bear in mind, if both parents were working back in the UK( I have no idea if they were) the kids were either with a childminder or in a crèche and would have well used to attending same and the routine of attending

LillySV · 11-06-2020 10:40AM

dark crystal wrote: »

No forced entry: The door was unlocked.

No fingerprints: An experienced burglar wears gloves. Crime scene not preserved.

No sign of struggle/blankets: What signs of struggle would there be? Blankets were pulled back, not untouched.

Dogs: Blood could be from any number of the thousands of people who rented the apartment over the years. No DNA evidence to substantiate whose blood was detected. Martin Grimes kept tapping McCanns car - the only one in garage with 'find Madeline' posters on it.

The Martin Smith sighting: Took place at 10pm at a location about a Kilometer from the resort, at the same time the alarm was being raised. How could Gerry be in two places at once?

How any of this looks like valid proof to anyone, I don't know..

It’s not quiet as simple as you put it... a lot more evidence than that and more complicated than suggested...anyways I’m not hear to prove or back up any theories... im just stating afew points that was totally new to me as I had just been casually following the story..I suppose I’m highlighting the fact that there is a serious amount of questions to be asked... for instance why the **** would parents earning a fortune not avail of child minding services been offered in the hotel and choose to do what they did? And in regard to the checks on the kids... the friends didn’t really check on the kids... they just popped their heads in to see if they heard any noise ...they didn’t see Madeline so she could’ve been gone from apt hours before for all we know. It’s all abit weird

update : just seen replies since ... so it appears they were happy with child services there so why didn’t they use it in the eves when going to eat? Anyways assuming they had no involvement in disappearance ... I’d say they will be regretting this

screamer · 11-06-2020 11:12AM

NutmegGirl wrote: »

Well if they were meeting the police and searching Etc they wouldn’t have been able to bring 2 small children with them, that wouldn’t have been practical esp with no car or car seats which you most likely wouldn’t have with you if you’d never planned on hiring a car , the logistics just wouldn’t work
The police prob wouldn’t have wanted the kids in at interviews etc ,
It was the end of the holiday, the kids were prob used to the staff at that stage and I’d imagine the club staff would have been watching them v closely
And a kids club with plenty of toys, facilities etc would have been the best place for them and familiar
Also, bear in mind, if both parents were working back in the UK( I have no idea if they were) the kids were either with a childminder or in a crèche and would have well used to attending same and the routine of attending

Yeh ordinarily, but to put them back into the kids club in a resort straight after unknown persons abducted one of your kids from same resort??? I don’t think so, you’d have your remaining children welded to your hip. I can understand when family arrive to help out to leave them in their care, but this choice of the McCanns is just another bizzare one.

Babooshka · 11-06-2020 11:21AM

screamer wrote: »

Yeh ordinarily, but to put them back into the kids club in a resort straight after unknown persons abducted one of your kids from same resort??? I don’t think so, you’d have your remaining children welded to your hip. I can understand when family arrive to help out to leave them in their care, but this choice of the McCanns is just another bizzare one.

If anything the Ocean Club would have been the safest place on earth at that stage, the place was humming with press and police not to mention family members of the McCanns over to support them whom I'm sure were also on the premises near them, so it's not necessarily a bizarre choice unless you decide to view it through that particular lens without knowing who was there, who was suppporting, etc.

retro:electro · 11-06-2020 11:23AM

Criticised for not using the childcare services on the night of her disappearance, and then criticised when they do...

screamer · 11-06-2020 11:41AM

retro:electro wrote: »

Criticised for not using the childcare services on the night of her disappearance, and then criticised when they do...

Bizarre that’s what I said, like so many of the choices they made just bizzare.

Rock77 · 11-06-2020 12:11PM

Babooshka wrote: »

If anything the Ocean Club would have been the safest place on earth at that stage, the place was humming with press and police not to mention family members of the McCanns over to support them whom I'm sure were also on the premises near them, so it's not necessarily a bizarre choice unless you decide to view it through that particular lens without knowing who was there, who was suppporting, etc.

I in no way suspect the parents but I do find it a little strange they left the kids back in the day after Madeline disappeared.

Banana Republic. · 11-06-2020 01:21PM

Rock77 wrote: »

Listen I hear you but the dogs are the only thing remotely close to making me suspicious of the parents. The Irish guy was 1km away apparently at 10pm so that pretty much rules that out?

Does the fact they left them alone in an unlocked flat make me think they were grossly negligent or murderers..

Am I missing something with the window? The door was unlocked, why would anyone go near the window?

Sorry but there is just nothing there for me to suspect the parents of a child in her disappearance. The first thing anyone does when finding their child even if they think they are dead is try to revive them, call an ambulance... not hide the body and pretend they were kidnapped.

Valid points, I am 80% it was an abductor but 20% says they’ve something to do with her disappearance. The fact he’s saying he had a horrible job to do the next day (Christian

if it is him makes it sound like a job he was paid to do.

iamwhoiam · 11-06-2020 01:22PM

https://www.thejournal.ie/belgium-cold-case-reopened-madeleine-mccann-suspect-5120145-Jun2020/

The trail gets bigger .

Banana Republic. · 11-06-2020 01:23PM

screamer wrote: »

Yeh ordinarily, but to put them back into the kids club in a resort straight after unknown persons abducted one of your kids from same resort??? I don’t think so, you’d have your remaining children welded to your hip. I can understand when family arrive to help out to leave them in their care, but this choice of the McCanns is just another bizzare one.

That’s bizarre in the extreme. I would trust nobody but myself and the people around me ie:Tapas 7 you look after the kids if they had to do media or police station meetings.

Madeleine McCann

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