Madeleine McCann

retro:electro · 10-06-2020 11:56AM

MoonUnit75 wrote: »

You're missing the point, not everyone is as accommodating when it comes to negligent and reckless parenting leading to the disappearance and likely death of a child. Grand, you're so over it. It's not right for people to try and shame and question the character of others who aren't on board with this.

I am not “over it”, as you allege. I will never understand their reason for leaving their children alone that or any night, but I’m also not interested in obsessing over it every five minutes.

They did it, they can’t undo it. Most people know it was wrong and the whole world has learned from their mistake. There’s a new suspect who has committed some of the most heinous crimes I’ve ever read about, was in the area on the night she disappeared and has bragged about knowing what happened to the poor girl, but instead of discussing that people would rather deflect from that and religiously repeat themselves about how negligent the Mc Canns were. Because god forbid we go five seconds without someone on the internet educating us on how wrong it is to leave little kids alone, like it’s something most reasonable people don’t know and the world over hasn’t learned from.

Steve F · 10-06-2020 11:59AM

Banana Republic. wrote: »

There wasn’t a night when there was any issue, Gerry goes onto describe two incidents. One Madeline crying and then another of one of the twins was upset. 15 yards away is a joke in fairness. If he was that close he could of swung into his apartment off the chair and seen the “abductor” take his daughter. You see this stuff baffles me so much. Even when she talks of Madeleine there’s no emotion at all, I’d be in pieces everytime I’d recall the time when I could of made a better decision to ultimately save my daughters life.

I'm wondering if it was a slip of the tongue and he meant FIFTY yards?

limnam · 10-06-2020 12:01PM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

So the World is full of excellent parents and only the McCanns are the sh*t ones?

What has this got to do with anything?

There's other parents in the world who are as bad or worse than the McCanns?

While that's a fascinating insight into the world of parenting. It's irrelevant to _this_ case.

In _this_ case it was the McCanns reckless negligence and utter disregard for the children's safety that led to her disappearance.

There's other fora where we can discuss the global bad parenting problem.

MoonUnit75 · 10-06-2020 12:01PM

retro:electro wrote: »

I am not “over it”, as you allege. I will never understand their reason for leaving their children alone that or any night, but I’m also not interested in obsessing over it every five minutes.

They did it, they can’t undo it. Most people know it was wrong and the whole world has learned from their mistake. There’s a new suspect who has committed some of the most heinous crimes I’ve ever read about, was in the area on the night she disappeared and has bragged about knowing what happened to the poor girl, but instead of discussing that people would rather deflect from that and religiously repeat themselves about how negligent the Mc Canns were. Because god forbid we go five seconds without someone on the internet educating us on how wrong it is to leave little kids alone, like it’s something most reasonable people don’t know and the world over hasn’t learned from.

Grand, then you agree the attempts to shame and tarnish the character of people who still aren't on board with the McCanns is unjustified.

dark crystal · 10-06-2020 12:04PM

Jesus, pages and pages of posters having pointless arguments about the same thing over and over again...

NO ONE has said it was right to leave the children alone in the apartment! Why are people steadfastly ignoring this fact and labouring the point as if they were?

It happened, it was wrong, what is being achieved by repeating the same point over and over again?? It's a complete non sequiter.

We get it already!

Flippyfloppy · 10-06-2020 12:06PM

Can there be 2 threads? One for discussing the current news and another for discussing the mccanns leaving the children unsupervised. Because this is tiresome after 13 years.

retro:electro · 10-06-2020 12:06PM

MoonUnit75 wrote: »

Grand, then you agree the attempts to shame and tarnish the character of people who still aren't on board with the McCanns is unjustified.

Are you upset because attempts at shaming and tarnishing your character while you shame and tarnish the McCanns are unjustified?

Aww.

limnam · 10-06-2020 12:09PM

dark crystal wrote: »

Jesus, pages and pages of posters having pointless arguments about the same thing over and over again...

NO ONE has said it was right to leave the children alone in the apartment! Why are people steadfastly ignoring this fact and labouring the point as if they were?

It happened, it was wrong, what is being achieved by repeating the same point over and over again?? It's a complete non sequiter.

We get it already!

Feel free not to engage in that aspect of the thread.

retro:electro · 10-06-2020 12:13PM

“Please stop shaming and tarnishing my character whilst I sit back and enjoy shaming and tarnishing the character of others”

weldoninhio · 10-06-2020 12:14PM

splinter65 wrote: »

The parents were accompanied 24/7 for about 6 weeks.

They were out jogging and visiting the little church near the resort unaccompanied.

weldoninhio · 10-06-2020 12:16PM

splinter65 wrote: »

The only person got anything wrong is you.
Be honest. The German police say they almost have enough evidence to charge this guy with the abduction of the little girl.
You’re going to find it impossible to accept that you’ve been absolutely wrong about this case for years. You’ve swallowed all the rubbish and spouted your meaningless amateur psychological theories at anyone who will listen.
Looks like Maddie was abducted like her parents always said she was.

So they've currently no evidence of him abducting her. Otherwise he'd be charged. You can't "almost" have enough evidence. They either do or they don't. Same way you can't be almost pregnant.

dark crystal · 10-06-2020 12:17PM

limnam wrote: »

Feel free not to engage in that aspect of the thread.

And you feel free to discuss anything other than that aspect of the case - if you have anything new or interesting to add besides brandy drinking and negligence.

:rolleyes:

limnam · 10-06-2020 12:20PM

dark crystal wrote: »

And you feel free to discuss anything other than that aspect of the case - if you have anything new or interesting to add besides brandy drinking and negligence.

:rolleyes:

I'm sorry that you feel the utter disregard and reckless negligence is not relevant to the case.

But thanks for your approval.

Day Lewin · 10-06-2020 12:23PM

This new suspect looks like an absolute creep and soulless criminal.

I am aware that the newspaper quoted below is not a very classy source, I'm adding this link only to show his photo.

On his record to date, this man appears to be an incurable danger to children, women, and indeed to society in general.
And he was right there in that town, on that night. And recently boasted to someone that he knows what happened to Maddie.

if ANYONE saw him - they must speak up now!

https://tinyurl.com/ybw2r6xz

10-06-2020 12:26PM

Day Lewin wrote: »

This new suspect looks like an absolute creep and soulless criminal.

I'm not picking up that vibe. I think "evil" people look like normal people. It would be nice if they were overtly obvious.

It does look like the police are closing in on a decent suspect.

Lillyfae · 10-06-2020 12:30PM

MoonUnit75 wrote: »

Grand, then you agree the attempts to shame and tarnish the character of people who still aren't on board with the McCanns is unjustified.

Sorry for their "shame" and "tarnishing" but no, that is not really enough. They should have been officially investigated by social services and never were. That is what people are questioning.

Personally, I thought it was a shocking thing to do at the time. I've reassessed it since I've become a parent myself and have decided that there is not a single excuse to do it once, let alone every night they were there. I wouldn't do it at home, I DEFINITELY wouldn't do it on holiday- I'm always conscious that you are less aware of your surroundings in another country. The closest I've come to doing anything like this is sitting in my neighbours front garden chatting for an hour, with a baby monitor in my hand. My child sleeps at the front of the house so would have been no more than 10 metres away. The monitor is activated by sound and works up to 250 metres (I've tested it to about 30) so if there had been a single peep I would have been in the room as quickly as if I was watching TV downstairs. It's also 2 way so that I can reassure in case of sudden waking (or scold in case of messing :pac:). Toddlers around Madeline's age are sometimes prone to night terrors and they need a good snuggle to get over it. I've taken it on vacation when renting houses too.

Madeline aside, the twins were 18 month old BABIES. Anything could have happened. Grossly negligent, shame and tarnish should have been the least of their worries. My guess is that they've never really owned up to knowing what they did was grossly negligent, because they're smart enough to know that it would leave them wide open to investigation, which they couldn't afford due to a statement of good character being necessary to work in their respective fields.

I don't mean by any of the above that they deserve what happened, but their poor baby Madeline paid for it. I always hoped for a good outcome to this. Now that I have a little one Madeline's age it makes me even more horrified and sad.

limnam · 10-06-2020 12:35PM

Lillyfae wrote: »

but their poor baby Madeline paid for it.

Heartbreaking that a little bit of care,selflessness and responsibility could have avoided this.

Putting going out drinking ahead of 3 innocent kids.

What were the bloody thinking. :mad:

Banana Republic. · 10-06-2020 12:36PM

Steve F wrote: »

I'm wondering if it was a slip of the tongue and he meant FIFTY yards?

1500 would be more accurate I’d say, easily happen under the pressure at the time, seemed very measured though. I can’t ever watch it and think yes I’m wrong about first ever gut feeling with no bias back then. Even more I strip it apart to try find some normality or comprehend their stories but it’s damn hard.

10-06-2020 12:36PM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

So the World is full of excellent parents and only the McCanns are the sh*t ones?

Evidently not, but your extrapolation is absurd.

10-06-2020 12:41PM

FVP3 wrote: »

The apartment looks nice enough to me, not hugely protected from the street but not easy to enter either.

I dont buy the negligence argument.

dark crystal wrote: »

Jesus, pages and pages of posters having pointless arguments about the same thing over and over again...

NO ONE has said it was right to leave the children alone in the apartment! Why are people steadfastly ignoring this fact and labouring the point as if they were?

It happened, it was wrong, what is being achieved by repeating the same point over and over again?? It's a complete non sequiter.

We get it already!

Dont think they are alone in thinking this.

Banana Republic. · 10-06-2020 12:42PM

limnam wrote: »

Heartbreaking that a little bit of care,selflessness and responsibility could have avoided this.

Putting going out drinking ahead of 3 innocent kids.

What were the bloody thinking. :mad:

More forgiving would of been one night they dined with friends and it happened but this was for 5/6 nights in a row, a boozey holiday is for when you’re with your mates and no other responsibilities. Having kids even the next day after a booze filled night is endangering them too. Nobodies as perfect parent but I would like to think on holiday you make the most of the time together and especially with kids of that age you can’t be hungover the next day and expect them to look after themselves. No matter what class the parents are from. Let’s hope it’s like the 56% stats in America that the kid turns up alive all those years later. Isn’t it mad The USA is the only country in the world with stats on missing children according to the interview with Anthony Summers that I posted last night.

10-06-2020 12:48PM

firemansam4 wrote: »

Leaving a child unaccompanied while drinking is equal or worse to being a sick paedophile who potentially rapes and murders little kids.

That is the impression I get of what some posters think in this thread.

The impression I'm getting is your lack of objectivity. It's possible to think what the McCanns did on the night was wrong, and still have sympathy for them.

To be fair it's been a few pages since anyone defended their leaving the children alone so it would be good to move on.

Flippyfloppy · 10-06-2020 12:51PM

Yes, move on. This is CURRENT AFFAIRS people, the latest news is what we should be discussing!

Banana Republic. · 10-06-2020 12:53PM

Flippyfloppy wrote: »

Yes, move on. This is CURRENT AFFAIRS people, the latest news is what we should be discussing!

Anytime I post latest news it’s rarely commented on, posters too busy squabblin, get drawn into it at Times myself cause nothing else going on, ugh.

MoonUnit75 · 10-06-2020 12:56PM

retro:electro wrote: »

Are you upset because attempts at shaming and tarnishing your character while you shame and tarnish the McCanns are unjustified?

Aww.

Have you tried turning your moral compass off and back on?

Banana Republic. · 10-06-2020 12:57PM

I hate quoting this rag but it’s latest news

Parental advisory on the piece, it’s not for the faint hearted, could be upsetting to read.

It’s hell of shot of reading too. It will prompt discussion for sure.
https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.thesun.ie/news/5505248/madeleine-mccann-latest-news-update/amp/

Shefwedfan · 10-06-2020 01:09PM

Banana Republic. wrote: »

More forgiving would of been one night they dined with friends and it happened but this was for 5/6 nights in a row, a boozey holiday is for when you’re with your mates and no other responsibilities. Having kids even the next day after a booze filled night is endangering them too. Nobodies as perfect parent but I would like to think on holiday you make the most of the time together and especially with kids of that age you can’t be hungover the next day and expect them to look after themselves. No matter what class the parents are from. Let’s hope it’s like the 56% stats in America that the kid turns up alive all those years later. Isn’t it mad The USA is the only country in the world with stats on missing children according to the interview with Anthony Summers that I posted last night.

Who said they had a booze filled night?

Who said they had a boozey holiday?

MoonUnit75 · 10-06-2020 01:15PM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Who said they had a booze filled night?

Who said they had a boozey holiday?

They said they started drinking at 8pm before they even left the apartment for dinner. As far as I remember the tapas bar staff said the table had several bottles of wine during the evening. Kate did her check around 10pm if memory serves me right, but that was just a check with the intention of going back to the tapas bar.

Shefwedfan · 10-06-2020 01:21PM

MoonUnit75 wrote: »

They said they started drinking at 8pm before they even left the apartment for dinner. As far as I remember the tapas bar staff said the table had several bottles of wine during the evening. Kate did her check around 10pm if memory serves me right, but that was just a check with the intention of going back to the tapas bar.

So nobody said it and you have made an assumption

The fact someone is going on they would be incapable of looking after the children the next day shows the rubbish people will put up in regards to this

You are talking about at most 7-10. Plenty of people the World over could have maybe 1 glass of wine over that duration. I think it says more abotu the people on here that they think having dinner over 2 hours means you have to get fully tanked up

Banana Republic. · 10-06-2020 01:34PM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Who said they had a booze filled night?

Who said they had a boozey holiday?

Cut the crap will ya, they said they’d dinner n drinks each night so it’s booze

Madeleine McCann

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