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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IV - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

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  • #3932
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,222 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    VonLuck wrote: »
    I've said it before and I'll say it again, the numbers are similar to other years because of the restrictions!

    You strike me as the sort that would complain even if the numbers were higher than previous years proclaiming that the lockdown was pointless and didn't stop deaths from occurring.

    Yes the figures for March showed a big increase on other years, by April numbers were reduced because of lockdown. So it's good news , Ginger!


  • #3933
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,667 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    VonLuck wrote: »
    I've said it before and I'll say it again, the numbers are similar to other years because of the restrictions!

    You strike me as the sort that would complain even if the numbers were higher than previous years proclaiming that the lockdown was pointless and didn't stop deaths from occurring.

    I think think thats bolix to be honest.

    Nearly all deaths are in nursing home and care home settings. End of life patients.

    How did anyone staying withing 5km of their homes help that realistically?


  • #3934
    pgj2015
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,054 ✭✭✭✭pgj2015


    Anyone any idea how the government are going to undo the damage they have done, regarding scaring a lot of people who are now afraid to leave the house? I know people who this time last year, were always in town shopping, now they wont leave the house. These are young people with no major health issues.


  • #3935
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,667 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    Yes the figures for March showed a big increase on other years, by April numbers were reduced because of lockdown. So it's good news , Ginger!

    Or was Aprils figures reduced because more vulnerable had died in a shorter time frame in March and had little to do with restrictions?


  • #3936
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,222 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    I think think thats bolix to be honest.

    Nearly all deaths are in nursing home and care home settings. End of life patients.

    How did anyone staying withing 5km of their homes help that realistically?

    This is an example of what we were talking about earlier and you have been one of the main proponents of this insensitive and offensive commentary.
    How are deaths in nursing homes and End of Life patients not important?

    Jackman 25 ..take note .


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  • #3937
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,222 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    Or was Aprils figures reduced because more vulnerable had died in a shorter time frame in March and had little to do with restrictions?

    Your logic is a bit skewed there.

    So how did more vulnerable die in a shorter time frame in March , do you think?
    Nothing to do with a virus deadly to old sick people among others ? Coincidence ?


  • #3938
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,667 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    This is an example of what we were talking about earlier and you have been one of the main proponents of this insensitive and offensive commentary.
    How are deaths in nursing homes and End of Life patients not important?

    Jackman 25 ..take note .

    Have I said they weren't important.

    Ive posed the question how, restrictions imposed on those not in danger from Covid helped those within care home settings.

    On a side note its better for your own personal wellbeing if you don't take such offense to comments, you appear to see things that aren't there.

    People seem to have lost all coping skills


  • #3939
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,667 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    Your logic is a bit skewed there.

    So how did more vulnerable die in a shorter time frame in March , do you think?
    Nothing to do with a virus deadly to old sick people among others ? Coincidence ?

    Yes exactly. Similar to deaths spikes with other years seasonal illness.

    So if more vulnerable died in March, they couldnt die again in April so the figure's were lower in April.

    Nothing to do with restrictions IMO


  • #3940
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,222 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    Have I said they weren't important.

    Ive posed the question how restrictions outside imposed on those outside not in danger form Covid helped those within care home settings.

    On a side note its better for your own personal wellbeing if you don't take such offense to comments, you appear to see things that aren't there.

    People seem to have lost all coping skills

    Thank you , I am coping fine.

    You have repeatedly trotted out that this virus only kills the old and vulnerable and have mentioned End of Life, or lived their life , a few times before and have not been pulled up on it .

    It is offensive, insensitive and untrue .

    People who are old or have underlying conditions do not deserve to be discussed as if their lives don't matter .

    No more to say to you .


  • #3941
    Penfailed
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,697 ✭✭✭Penfailed


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    I think think thats bolix to be honest.

    You're perfectly entitled to your opinion.

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  • #3942
    growleaves
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,036 ✭✭✭growleaves


    Extra 10,000 dementia deaths in England and Wales in April
    People with dementia ‘just switching off’ amid reduced medical care and family visits
    Gavin Terry, head of policy at Alzheimer’s Society, said that isolation can be devastating as family members and friends often play a crucial role in maintaining the health of people with dementia by bringing them meals, taking them out regularly to exercise and keeping people socially engaged. Withdrawing this support can cause people to rapidly go downhill, he said. “We’re hearing that some people are ‘just giving up’ or ‘switching off’ and not eating or drinking,” he said.


  • #3943
    gral6
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 738 ✭✭✭gral6


    Tomorrow Tony will recommend to reimpose strict restrictions again. We are not there yet...


  • #3944
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,889 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    gral6 wrote: »
    Tomorrow Tony will recommend to reimpose strict restrictions again. We are not there yet...

    Well he can shove them where the sun don’t shine.


  • #3945
    Cork Boy 53
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,829 ✭✭✭Cork Boy 53


    gral6 wrote: »
    Tomorrow Tony will recommend to reimpose strict restrictions again. We are not there yet...

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  • #3946
    ChikiChiki
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,949 ✭✭✭ChikiChiki


    pgj2015 wrote: »
    Anyone any idea how the government are going to undo the damage they have done, regarding scaring a lot of people who are now afraid to leave the house? I know people who this time last year, were always in town shopping, now they wont leave the house. These are young people with no major health issues.

    Relax, confidence will come back in time.

    For most people the pandemic was an almighty unexpected shock and everything they have known was uprooted almost overnight.


  • #3947
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,667 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    It is offensive, insensitive and untrue .

    Are you offended by the fact the median age of death is above life expectancy?

    Whats causing you to take offense??

    I find this bizzare to be honest that you are taking offense at the facts


  • #3948
    fleet_admiral
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,750 ✭✭✭fleet_admiral


    gral6 wrote: »
    Tomorrow Tony will recommend to reimpose strict restrictions again. We are not there yet...

    And then the cow jumped over the moon


  • #3949
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    Are you offended by the fact the median age of death is above life expectancy?

    Whats causing you to take offense??

    I find this bizzare to be honest that you are taking offense at the facts

    I believe offence is being taken at the implication that once you reach median life expectancy your life is no longer of value, and it’s really of no consequence if you die.


  • #3950
    _Kaiser_
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,307 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    gral6 wrote: »
    Tomorrow Tony will recommend to reimpose strict restrictions again. We are not there yet...

    He can recommend all he likes but I think Leo has finally realised the jig is up in that regard.

    Neither the rest of his party, the opposition, business lobbyists, or the general public will accept increased restrictions with numbers in single digits.


  • #3951
    Cork Boy 53
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,829 ✭✭✭Cork Boy 53


    _Kaiser_ wrote: »
    He can recommend all he likes but I think Leo has finally realised the jig is up in that regard.

    Neither the rest of his party, the opposition, business lobbyists, or the general public will accept increased restrictions with numbers in single digits.

    I believe that poster is being sarcastic.


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  • #3952
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    _Kaiser_ wrote: »
    He can recommend all he likes but I think Leo has finally realised the jig is up in that regard.

    Neither the rest of his party, the opposition, business lobbyists, or the general public will accept increased restrictions with numbers in single digits.


    Because someone on boards states that NPHET is going to recommend tighter restrictions does not make it true in anything but the posters imagination. But no doubt half the posters here will get indignant about it and say it’s more evidence that Tony wishes to control our lives for eternity


  • #3953
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 4,806 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    I believe offence is being taken at the implication that once you reach median life expectancy your life is no longer of value, and it’s really of no consequence if you die.

    I don’t think anybody is actually saying that though.
    For me at least, a 15 year old dying will always be more sad than an 83 year old dying.

    Maybe I’m wrong for feeling that way... ?

    Once you hit 70, you’ve had a grand stretch of life. Anybody dying before that has likely missed out on things.

    That’s my reasoning at least. Still sad of course.


  • #3954
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,889 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Tomas “second wave” Ryan TCD on now again. Him and his fake mid Atlantic accent trying to make a name for themselves.


  • #3955
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,889 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Ivan Yates fairly put him in his box!!


  • #3956
    MickeyLeari
    Closed Accounts Posts: 917 ✭✭✭MickeyLeari


    Am I imagining this:

    Did Tony H previously mock the benefit of masks saying they could have a negative effect as people could not use them and it would provide a false sense of security? He then made a big point of being in Dunnes at the weekend and no one was wearing masks?


  • #3957
    Always_Running
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,841 ✭✭✭Always_Running


    road_high wrote: »
    Tomas “second wave” Ryan TCD on now again. Him and his fake mid Atlantic accent trying to make a name for themselves.
    Big into fearmongering by the looks of it. Little or no credit given to the effort done so far, talking down the amount of testing, track and tracing that has helped greatly in lowering our cases. According to him we are just back to March 12th and are sleeping walking over a cliff.


  • #3958
    JRant
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,240 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    road_high wrote: »
    Ivan Yates fairly put him in his box!!

    He wasn't holding back and rightly called out the modelling and the evidence for this dreaded second wave that will be even more deadly.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • #3959
    JRant
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,240 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    Always_Running wrote: »
    Big into fearmongering by the looks of it. Little or no credit given to the effort done so far, talking down the amount of testing, track and tracing that has helped greatly in lowering our cases. According to him we are just back to March 12th and are sleeping walking over a cliff.

    And already into the second wave no less. According to him we have 2 options. Live with restrictions for years until a vaccine is found or have a "short, sharp lockdown" to get the numbers to zero like New Zealand. Ivan rightly pointed out that we are not new Zealand and are actually part of the European Union with free travel. He also pointed out that the last lockdown was supposed to be for a short period of time and we still haven't come out of it yet.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • #3960
    Gregor Samsa
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,138 ✭✭✭Gregor Samsa


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Saw this in the main thread. I’ll have to investigate the source but mental if true

    “During April 2020, there were 2,689 deaths registered in Ireland. During April 2019, there were 2,599 deaths registered. During April 2018, there were 2,940 deaths registered.”

    Strange, a Google search for "april deaths 2,689" gives only one result that discusses this statistic. It's from gript.ie, which has an obvious slant to the right and is sceptical of the effects of Covid 19 and of the need for the lockdown. Which would be fine if they had the statistics. But the strange thing is, when you click on the link, the article doesn't exist at all on gript.ie. When you search for it on the site itself, nothing comes up. Looks like they withdrew the article?

    In any case, you've 6 months to register a death, so not every death from April will be necessarily registered yet. Plus with lockdown, you couldn't do it in person, so had to do it by email or post, which has slowed things down. It took me 3 weeks in all to register my father's death on May 1st, and I still haven't received the death certificates I ordered. We'll have to wait until much later in the year to see the actual death rates for April and May so they can be compared to previous years.


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  • #3961
    s1ippy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,980 ✭✭✭s1ippy


    Ivan Yates is a pig ignorant buffoon. The only clip they could extract from the Tomás Ryan "interview" was this.

    https://twitter.com/TonightVMTV/status/1270844045892423686?s=19

    Whatever your views on the virus, nobody should be ok with a self-professed alcoholic, failed bookmaker (unprecedented title?), rejected politician, caricature of a joke of a man with this little intelligence shouting down a neuroscientist.

    It's not even legitimate views he's vomiting out half the time. Just reactionary or populist garbage. How did he get into broadcasting. The only solace is that he looks like absolute sh!t so I'd say he doesn't have much more in him. He's an insult to anyone who crosses paths with him in media and people need to just refuse the invitations to his show so he no longer has anybody to yell his bile at.


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