Covid19 Part XVIII-25,473 in ROI(1,736 deaths) 5,760 in NI (551 deaths)(30/06)Read OP

fr336 · 09-06-2020 10:28PM

The lack of connection being made between lockdowns and next to nothing case rates now is quite the spectacle. Lock down flattens cases > those with the virus either recover or sadly die > we get to where we are now because so few people were out and about for two whole months. Yes the lockdown started to completely melt away around a month ago in Ireland and UK but the point remains. The virus probably hasn't weakened, imo, it hasn't mysteriously disappeared, it was a direct result of an unprecedented national effort to supress Covid within a country's borders. That the UK has been so slow to see reductions in deaths and cases proves that the virus hasn't magically weakened or disappeared - it is a country's efforts which make the difference. But this is all obvious.

fritzelly · 09-06-2020 10:35PM

I think the world needs to ban all flights and boats from the Americas for a long while - everywhere else has this pretty much beaten but it is still running rampant over there
Last thing we need here, especially being an hub for the USA is infected coming over and starting a new chain of infections
And remember it was good enough for Trump to ban all non Americans going over there...

Seven Septs · 09-06-2020 10:37PM

fr336 wrote: »

The lack of connection being made between lockdowns and next to nothing case rates now is quite the spectacle. Lock down flattens cases > those with the virus either recover or sadly die > we get to where we are now because so few people were out and about for two whole months. Yes the lockdown started to completely melt away around a month ago in Ireland and UK but the point remains. The virus probably hasn't weakened, imo, it hasn't mysteriously disappeared, it was a direct result of an unprecedented national effort to supress Covid within a country's borders. That the UK has been so slow to see reductions in deaths and cases proves that the virus hasn't magically weakened or disappeared - it is a country's efforts which make the difference. But this is all obvious.

Well said.

No coincidence that Sweden, Brazil, the UK and US are not where they should be in daily cases and deaths.

growleaves · 09-06-2020 10:39PM

Seven Septs wrote: »

Well said.

No coincidence that Sweden, Brazil, the UK and US are not where they should be in daily cases and deaths.

For US and UK weekly all-cause deaths are at pre-pandemic levels (see charts posted earlier).

Seven Septs · 09-06-2020 10:43PM

growleaves wrote: »

For US and UK weekly all-cause deaths are at pre-pandemic levels (see charts posted earlier).

UK 286 deaths and 1741 cases today. That's a third of their peak Covid deaths and cases. Say our peak daily cases averaged 450, the equivalent of 150 daily cases here now.

And the US over 1,000 daily deaths, and that's not the final total today.

I hope both countries get it under control soon but they haven't done too well.

Using Worldmeter as a source.

Edit: If all deaths at pre pandemic levels, winter/early Spring must see more deaths from a lot of other causes than early summer.

Polar101 · 09-06-2020 10:50PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Pretty alarming in some states particularly for the middle of the summer.

The best to hope for is this tapers significantly before the late Autumn. If it doesn't and it stays like this or accelerates and that coincides with Winter illnesses like flu then that wouldn't be very good.

Looks pretty grim. But on the other hand they seem to have a lot of hospital capacity remaining, so they might not get overwhelmed. Maybe the approach it will work over in the USA. I know it wouldn't work over here, but the US have much more resources.

growleaves · 09-06-2020 10:55PM

UK 286 deaths and 1741 cases today. That's a third of their peak Covid deaths and cases.

The peak daily deaths were 1,172 on April 21st. That's roughly a quarter and the rolling average is still trending downwards.

Edit: Deaths today stand at 24.4% of the peak

growleaves · 09-06-2020 10:58PM

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Seven Septs · 09-06-2020 11:02PM

growleaves wrote: »

The peak daily deaths were 1,172 on April 21st. That's roughly a quarter and the rolling average is still trending downwards.

Edit: Deaths today stand at 24.4% of the peak

A quarter is still too much for the length of time they're dealing with the virus. Of course it's coming down but more slowly than it should.

Also 1,741 cases. Was their peak much above 6,000? You can't logically say either the US or UK have performed well given any metric. Government was poor in both cases.

Rob A. Bank · 09-06-2020 11:31PM

It has been customary in Ireland to say 'God bless you' when someone sneezes.

I feel that 'F U' may be a more likely response during and after this Covid pandemic.

During the plague of AD 590, "Pope Gregory I ordered unceasing prayer for divine intercession. Part of his command was that anyone sneezing be blessed immediately ("God bless you"), since sneezing was often the first sign that someone was falling ill with the plague."

By AD 750, it became customary to say "God bless you" as a response to one sneezing.

Some have offered an explanation suggesting that people once held the folk belief that a person's soul could be thrown from their body when they sneezed, that sneezing otherwise opened the body to invasion by the Devil or evil spirits, or that sneezing was the body's effort to force out an invading evil presence. In these cases, "God bless you" or "bless you" is used as a sort of shield against evil.

The Irish Folk story "Master and Man" by Thomas Crofton Croker, collected by William Butler Yeats, describes this variation. Moreover, in the past some people may have thought that the heart stops beating during a sneeze, and that the phrase "God bless you" encourages the heart to continue beating.

I love the idea of that Irish defibrillator described by W.B.Yeats.

10-06-2020 07:26AM

ShyMets wrote: »

Its an interesting solution. And it may work for some places. But most of the Victorian Pubs in Dublin operate under strict preservation rules and cannot alter their internal layout/structure.

For them this would be a non runner

Temporary measures for public health reason would bypass these controls. Thankfully business owners have a lot more imagination than most on these threads and will find solutions

Onesea · 10-06-2020 07:31AM

Seven Septs wrote: »

A quarter is still too much for the length of time they're dealing with the virus. Of course it's coming down but more slowly than it should.

Also 1,741 cases. Was their peak much above 6,000? You can't logically say either the US or UK have performed well given any metric. Government was poor in both cases.

There is alot they don't know about this virus, why did it hit Brazil once the downward trend started in Europe. A downward trend of any sort is good, so like everything else we just wait.

10-06-2020 07:50AM

Seven Septs wrote: »

I'm asthmatic and had pneumonia a year ago. When well I'm very fit. For those familiar with the peak flow metre I hit 780 on it.

Today I woke up wheezing, feverish and my bed clothes were soaking from sweat. I rang my GP and was sent for a Covid test.

I have to say all the staff involved were all so friendly, warm and professional. A really amazing service. I expect I have some sort of virus but not Covid as I've cocooned and stuck to regulations. Will hear in 2 days.

I can't over emphasize how impressed I was by the whole testing process and the people behind it.

Hope you are well and its good to hear the testing process is working, however if you were cocooned why would you get another virus and not covid?

is_that_so · 10-06-2020 09:02AM

An example of best practice for prisons! Well done to all inside our prison system.

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0610/1146481-covid19-coronavirus-prisons/

weldoninhio · 10-06-2020 09:40AM

sheepsh4gger wrote: »

I wouldn't trust any of that 'data'. George Floyd was carrying corona and they only found out from the coroner. It makes this entire tracing effort pointless.

The virus needs to burn its way through the population, that's the inconvenient truth IMHO.

I had some cold/flu with heart-burn like chest pains a week after (have no pre-existing conditions), I'm pretty sure I already had it. Too bad for old folks, they will get rekt.

Mr. Floyd spent the final weeks of his life recovering from the coronavirus, which he learned he had in early April.

10-06-2020 09:55AM

If immunity passports become a thing, I can imagine that there will be a growth of COVID parties. I am at very low risk of suffering complications, and would seriously consider trying to become infected with COVID if it meant that I would get preferential treatment in aspects of my life, especially travel (how I would go about doing that, I don't know)

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/10/are-you-immune-the-new-class-system-that-could-shape-the-covid-19-world

hmmm · 10-06-2020 10:13AM

Deleted User wrote: »

If immunity passports become a thing, I can imagine that there will be a growth of COVID parties. I am at very low risk of suffering complications, and would seriously consider trying to become infected with COVID if it meant that I would get preferential treatment in aspects of my life, especially travel (how I would go about doing that, I don't know)

This isn't chickenpox and it's certainly not flu, there's a lot we don't know about the disease and how it may potentially affect those infected in the future (even if you don't get into immediate trouble). There's been evidence of this causing micro-clots throughout the body, and in some cases it appears to be affecting the brain.

This is one you want to avoid, and if you have to get it get it last - after we've developed better treatments. This is from Fauci's interview yesterday:

"He said that he had spent much of his career studying H.I.V., and that the disease it causes is “really simple compared to what’s going on with Covid-19.”

The differences, he said, include Covid’s broad range of severity, from no symptoms at all to critical illness and death, with lung damage, intense immune responses and clotting disorders that have caused strokes even in young people, as well as a separate inflammatory syndrome causing severe illness in some children."

Tony EH · 10-06-2020 10:20AM

hmmm wrote: »

The differences, he said, include Covid’s broad range of severity, from no symptoms at all to critical illness and death, with lung damage, intense immune responses and clotting disorders that have caused strokes even in young people, as well as a separate inflammatory syndrome causing severe illness in some children."

And there's still some fools who say we should let it rip through the population.

bodhrandude · 10-06-2020 11:13AM

Some difference in this thread from a few months ago, there used to be a post every two minutes or even a minute at times, now it seems to be every 15 minutes on average or even near an hour since the last post before me.

Sweet.Science · 10-06-2020 11:18AM

Covid is so 2 weeks ago

BLM baby

Beasty · 10-06-2020 11:25AM

bodhrandude wrote: »

Some difference in this thread from a few months ago, there used to be a post every two minutes or even a minute at times, now it seems to be every 15 minutes on average or even near an hour since the last post before me.

At its peak we were getting an average of nearly 3 posts a minute, 60 minutes an hour, 24 hours a day and 7 days a week.... (yes, I was counting:pac:)

kenmc · 10-06-2020 11:26AM

Deleted User wrote: »

If immunity passports become a thing, I can imagine that there will be a growth of COVID parties. I am at very low risk of suffering complications, and would seriously consider trying to become infected with COVID if it meant that I would get preferential treatment in aspects of my life, especially travel (how I would go about doing that, I don't know)

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/10/are-you-immune-the-new-class-system-that-could-shape-the-covid-19-world

Be careful what you wish for though. Irish life, at the least, probably more, are asking if you have or have had covid if you're applying for mortgage protection, or serious illness cover etc.

I was able to answer no, so I don't know what the penalty might be if the answer is yes, but I'm guessing they're asking for a reason, and that would likely be to load your premium or refuse certain cover.

Funsterdelux · 10-06-2020 11:37AM

bodhrandude wrote: »

Some difference in this thread from a few months ago, there used to be a post every two minutes or even a minute at times, now it seems to be every 15 minutes on average or even near an hour since the last post before me.

Its called Postal Distancing, you have to allow at least 2m(2 minutes) between posts.

Beasty · 10-06-2020 11:42AM

Posted 19 weeks ago today:

What is a wet market ?

10-06-2020 11:43AM

kenmc wrote: »

Be careful what you wish for though. Irish life, at the least, probably more, are asking if you have or have had covid if you're applying for mortgage protection, or serious illness cover etc.

I was able to answer no, so I don't know what the penalty might be if the answer is yes, but I'm guessing they're asking for a reason, and that would likely be to load your premium or refuse certain cover.

I don’t know how that would work, given that perhaps 50-60% of people with COVID, some say up to 80% are asymptomatic. I don’t know that any of us can answer that question with any certainty, and a loading of premiums I am sure would be challenged legally.

10-06-2020 11:46AM

hmmm wrote: »

This isn't chickenpox and it's certainly not flu, there's a lot we don't know about the disease and how it may potentially affect those infected in the future (even if you don't get into immediate trouble). There's been evidence of this causing micro-clots throughout the body, and in some cases it appears to be affecting the brain.

This is one you want to avoid, and if you have to get it get it last - after we've developed better treatments. This is from Fauci's interview yesterday:

"He said that he had spent much of his career studying H.I.V., and that the disease it causes is “really simple compared to what’s going on with Covid-19.”

The differences, he said, include Covid’s broad range of severity, from no symptoms at all to critical illness and death, with lung damage, intense immune responses and clotting disorders that have caused strokes even in young people, as well as a separate inflammatory syndrome causing severe illness in some children."

It would never happen, I am sure, but interesting from a theoretical perspective.

There may never be a vaccine for COVID. And if an antibodies certificate allowed sufficient freedoms that would otherwise be curtailed for a number of years, I would for sure take the risk. It would be a balancing of risk against lifestyle and freedoms

What Username Guidelines · 10-06-2020 11:58AM

Deleted User wrote: »

If immunity passports become a thing, I can imagine that there will be a growth of COVID parties. I am at very low risk of suffering complications, and would seriously consider trying to become infected with COVID if it meant that I would get preferential treatment in aspects of my life, especially travel (how I would go about doing that, I don't know)

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/10/are-you-immune-the-new-class-system-that-could-shape-the-covid-19-world

Not sure if they're actually feasible - aside from the sudden urge most would feel to contract it and take their chances - they don't fully understand who is immune and who isn't and how. Some with antibodies after recovery, some with immunity via other coronaviruses, etc. If serology tests are even slightly accurate, you'd have about 5% of Spain able to get one, not gonna do much in terms of a solution.

bb1234567 · 10-06-2020 12:30PM

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-health-coronavirus-moscow/moscow-raises-coronavirus-death-toll-by-3365-idUKKBN23H1SE?il=0

Official number of covid deaths in Moscow in May has been raised by more than double to over 5000. How could so many deaths have been missed ?

10-06-2020 12:37PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I don’t know how that would work, given that perhaps 50-60% of people with COVID, some say up to 80% are asymptomatic. I don’t know that any of us can answer that question with any certainty, and a loading of premiums I am sure would be challenged legally.

100%, if you did this, then you'd have to add lots of others like maybe even STI's or any potential life limiting factor albeit years down the road, that's a joke however I did say this to lads I know, I would have expected companies to try it on.

WoollyRedHat · 10-06-2020 12:45PM

Beasty wrote: »

Posted 19 weeks ago today:

Sweet summer child.

Covid19 Part XVIII-25,473 in ROI(1,736 deaths) 5,760 in NI (551 deaths)(30/06)Read OP

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