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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IV - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

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  • #3572
    growleaves
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,036 ✭✭✭growleaves


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I would say its been posted 500 times in this forum already, but once again, these other countries did not do nothing and they are still suffering higher death rates while most of western Europe is under control

    Some countries had a different suite of restrictions contra lockdown, as you know, and suffered less deaths. No time here for a comprehensive comparison but amazing that anyone is still holding on to the evil policy of lockdown. Even if it is better than nothing (unproven, but reasonable) it does not seem to be the most effective strategy overall. It is also the strategy that produces the most adverse side-effects in economic toll and mental suffering. It makes aspects of our society isomorphic to that of a Communist society.


  • #3573
    Chicoso
    Closed Accounts Posts: 122 ✭✭Chicoso


    jonnny68 wrote: »
    im no fan of FFG or the Greens in fact i cant stand them , i believe FFG could have done a lot more sooner, however i acknowledge they have done a far better job than bungling Boris and lunatic Trump in the UK and USA respectively.

    Boris messed up delaying the lockdown

    Was Trump earlier than the EU? I can't remember

    Then he has all that federal sh1t to deal with


  • #3574
    el Fenomeno
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,643 ✭✭✭el Fenomeno


    Hurrache wrote: »
    You mean someone in charge of the medical response to a pandemic focused purely on a medical response? That's mad Ted.

    Well done for selective quoting and lack of context. You're a true credit to online forums!


  • #3575
    Widescreen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,125 ✭✭✭Widescreen


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Back in January, models and experts were throwing out all kinds of doomsday figures. 20000 people in Ireland could die of Covid. Maybe it was a just a typo and they accidentally added a 0? :D

    Either way, we came nowhere close to the worst case scenario. We even fell short of the best case scenarios.

    Now people are banging on and on about a 2nd wave. Oh look... Macedonia had a spike...

    Lockdown is over and it won't return. If Covid does come back, we'll have to learn with it. Which will basically mean that healthy people will continue going to school/work. Elders can cocoon.

    People in fear of the virus are and always have been free to remain at home for however long they feel necessary.

    You're probably right mate, but by the way everyone gets old and time goes quicker than you probably think, but don't worry we'll do our best to avoid Covid and thanks for your re assuring words.


  • #3576
    opinionated3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,190 ✭✭✭opinionated3


    ixoy wrote: »
    Did he actually say we'd all end up in ICU despite every statistic about Covid-19 hospitalisation saying otherwise? You know, despite the actual evidence?

    Yes he did. A depressing interview which kinda shattered my positivity over the recent days numbers of new cases. He basically said the current course of action would see all of us eventually spend time in ICU some time in the next four or five years. Very dismissive of the potential for the virus burning itself out anytime soon.


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  • #3577
    Hurrache
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,384 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    el Fenomeno wrote: »
    Well done for selective quoting and lack of context. You're a true credit to online forums!

    Here's your full quote, and it does appear that you were in the positive of what he said, rather than complain about his narrow focus, so apoligies if that's the case. Others have complained that history won't be kind to him because of his focus and how he doesn't consider economic or political factors.
    el Fenomeno wrote: »
    Dunphy had a reporter on his podcast yesterday (his name escapes me) who said Holohan wrote a letter the government back in April advising that anyone coming from abroad (be it tourism or Irish people returning from a foreign trip) should face a mandatory quarantine for 2 weeks in a dedicated facility.

    I couldn't believe that. To me, that hammered home the Holohan is purely thinking about how to reduce the spread, with zero thought given to other factors (be them legal, moral, financial or even just general feasibility).

    I've said it before, but the history books will not draw any link between Holohan and the economic consequences of his advice. And likely that's the job he's been given - to advise purely from a scientific perspective. I'm glad the government didn't take that particular advice on board, and I hope they place a bit less weight in his opinion going forward. I wish they had taken a similar approach earlier though.


  • #3578
    CalamariFritti
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,348 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    hmmm wrote: »
    If I remember correctly the UK models looked specifically also at a cocooning-only strategy, and this showed a spike exceeding ICU capacity so more would be needed. It was realising this that caused the UK to change their strategy practically overnight.

    d41586-020-01003-6_17859622.jpg

    The problem with this is self evident.

    a) Self-isolation
    b) Social distancing
    c) School closures
    d) Public events banned & complete lockdown

    a, b and c are one thing each, d are two things. So how do you know whether it was banning public events or lockdown or both?


  • #3579
    el Fenomeno
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,643 ✭✭✭el Fenomeno


    Hurrache wrote: »
    Here's your full quote, it doesn't change the context of what you said.

    Do you think recommending enforced 2 week quarantine in a dedicated facility is a reasonable suggestion?


  • #3580
    Spencer Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 268 ✭✭Spencer Brown


    opinionated3 wrote: »
    Yes he did. A depressing interview which kinda shattered my positivity over the recent days numbers of new cases. He basically said the current course of action would see all of us eventually spend time in ICU some time in the next four or five years. Very dismissive of the potential for the virus burning itself out anytime soon.

    Someone needs to shut this muppet up. In this age of disinformation we actually need people to trust and listen to scientists and academics. Having idiots like him spreading falsehoods does nobody any good.


  • #3581
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,135 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    opinionated3 wrote: »
    Yes he did. A depressing interview which kinda shattered my positivity over the recent days numbers of new cases. He basically said the current course of action would see all of us eventually spend time in ICU some time in the next four or five years. Very dismissive of the potential for the virus burning itself out anytime soon.
    He is claiming we'll see 60,000 deaths so a mountain of salt goes with anything else he suggests. He may be right in it not burning out but we are much better geared up not to get caught out by it again. That said the media do love a contrary voice but it our path seems to be aiming for a balanced approach.

    I heard Staines, one of the names in the letter, on MI today. I can't say I'm any the wiser on what they are trying to get across but NZ was mentioned again.


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  • #3582
    Stark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,203 ✭✭✭✭Stark


    ixoy wrote: »
    Did he actually say we'd all end up in ICU despite every statistic about Covid-19 hospitalisation saying otherwise? You know, despite the actual evidence?

    I'm still waiting for the second wave he says has been incubating since the start of phase 1.


  • #3583
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,664 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    ixoy wrote: »
    Did he actually say we'd all end up in ICU despite every statistic about Covid-19 hospitalisation saying otherwise? You know, despite the actual evidence?

    Yep with a 1.5% death rate.

    I cant understand the lack of responsibility.

    He's in a responsible role but he is NOT a public health expert and needs to shut the fcuk up. Vulnerable people are putting weight in his words

    These guys are only attention seeking at the present time.


  • #3584
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,135 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    CalamariFritti wrote: »
    The problem with this is self evident.

    a) Self-isolation
    b) Social distancing
    c) School closures
    d) Public events banned & complete lockdown

    a, b and c are one thing each, d are two things. So how do you know whether it was banning public events or lockdown or both?
    We don't know the degree of effect precisely but indoor public events are seen as a big factor in the transmission of the disease and keeping people apart reduces the risk for a cluster to get any bigger.


  • #3585
    mloc123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,452 ✭✭✭mloc123


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    Yep with a 1.5% death rate.

    I cant understand the lack of responsibility.

    He's in a responsible role but he is NOT a public health expert and needs to shut the fcuk up. Vulnerable people are putting weight in his words

    These guys are only attention seeking at the present time.

    He is a typical academic.... almost no real life experience


  • #3586
    setanta1984
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 848 ✭✭✭setanta1984


    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/new-rules-for-holidays-in-ireland-under-covid-19-no-buffets-mini-bars-or-close-dancing-1.4274393
    All this is so insane and over the top. We're utterly collectively losing our minds.

    Some of these 'guidelines' are mental:
    "Hotels: Guests will be asked to enter the property through doors that are automated or manually operated by an employee where possible"
    "If guests use bell service, “ask them to place their luggage on the ground. The bell service can then commence, after which the bell cart can be cleaned and disinfected.”"
    "Restaurateurs are being asked to verbally tell customers what is on the menu"
    "For golfers, the space between tee times will be increased to 15-minute intervals"

    This one is the best, and like something out of a monty python sketch:
    "Embellishments on drinks such as decorative cocktail umbrellas will have to be “minimised.”"

    Are we living in cloud cuckoo land or what?
    You have all these nuts ideas, but anyone can walk into a supermarket and pick up every box of cornflakes, every single product in the shop, lick it and put it back. You can touch any door to any shop yourself. But apparently umbrellas in drinks are lethal and need to be outlawed??

    The rubbish about steaming clothes after someone tries on something reported over the last few days was another one. That's apparantly necessary, but you can walk around the clothes section in Tesco for the last 3 months pawing anything you like? And yet it hasn't resulted in the apocalypse?

    It's all insane. Companies are going to be made invest in a load of stupid 'regulations' only to realise it's all nonsense after about 3 weeks when compliance falls to nothing and the sky doesn't fall in. Like it didn't with the supermarkets and petrol stations etc. which operated fine all along.


  • #3587
    Cork Boy 53
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,829 ✭✭✭Cork Boy 53


    Chicoso wrote: »
    Nobody bothering their hole with masks tbtf

    I've got no problem with distance but they can fukk right off with masks people need to socialize

    Absolutely wrong and I would think that very soon they will be made mandatory at least for travel on public transport and in enclosed indoor spaces.


  • #3588
    Cork Boy 53
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,829 ✭✭✭Cork Boy 53


    setanta1984 wrote: »
    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/new-rules-for-holidays-in-ireland-under-covid-19-no-buffets-mini-bars-or-close-dancing-1.4274393
    All this is so insane and over the top. We're utterly collectively losing our minds.

    Some of these 'guidelines' are mental:
    "Hotels: Guests will be asked to enter the property through doors that are automated or manually operated by an employee where possible"
    "If guests use bell service, “ask them to place their luggage on the ground. The bell service can then commence, after which the bell cart can be cleaned and disinfected.”"
    "Restaurateurs are being asked to verbally tell customers what is on the menu"
    "For golfers, the space between tee times will be increased to 15-minute intervals"

    This one is the best, and like something out of a monty python sketch:
    "Embellishments on drinks such as decorative cocktail umbrellas will have to be “minimised.”"

    Are we living in cloud cuckoo land or what?
    You have all these nuts ideas, but anyone can walk into a supermarket and pick up every box of cornflakes, every single product in the shop, lick it and put it back. You can touch any door to any shop yourself. But apparently umbrellas in drinks are lethal and need to be outlawed??

    The rubbish about steaming clothes after someone tries on something reported over the last few days was another one. That's apparantly necessary, but you can walk around the clothes section in Tesco for the last 3 months pawing anything you like? And yet it hasn't resulted in the apocalypse?

    It's all insane. Companies are going to be made invest in a load of stupid 'regulations' only to realise it's all nonsense after about 3 weeks when compliance falls to nothing and the sky doesn't fall in. Like it didn't with the supermarkets and petrol stations etc. which operated fine all along.

    I don`t know where you shop but I have yet to see anyone pick up a box of cornflakes or any thing else for that matter lick it and put it back on the shelf. Is this a new fetish or something? And no more cocktail umbrellas in drinks allowed? OMG how will the world carry on without those essential items? It`s a disgrace Joe so it is.:rolleyes:


  • #3589
    growleaves
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,036 ✭✭✭growleaves


    Cork Boy 53 wrote: »
    Absolutely wrong and I would think that very soon they will be made mandatory at least for travel on public transport and in enclosed indoor spaces.

    Why do you think that? Are you a lobbyist with an inside track? Mad prices for masks in my area. Where are 4.9 million masks going to come from? Two weeks ago a poster here was accusing of people of hoarding masks needed by the HSE.


  • #3590
    setanta1984
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 848 ✭✭✭setanta1984


    Cork Boy 53 wrote: »
    I don`t know where you shop but I have yet to see anyone pick up a box of cornflakes or any thing else for that matter lick it and put it back on the shelf. Is this a new fetish or something? And no more cocktail umbrellas in drinks allowed? OMG how will the world carry on without those essential items? It`s a disgrace Joe so it is.:rolleyes:

    Yeah because that's the main point that my post was making :rolleyes:


  • #3591
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,080 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    opinionated3 wrote: »
    Yes he did. A depressing interview which kinda shattered my positivity over the recent days numbers of new cases. He basically said the current course of action would see all of us eventually spend time in ICU some time in the next four or five years. Very dismissive of the potential for the virus burning itself out anytime soon.

    That's mad

    He expects almost a million of us to be in ICU per year for next 4 to 5 years


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  • #3592
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,664 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    jonnny68 wrote: »
    I'm no fan of FFG or the Greens in fact i cant stand them , i believe FFG could have done a lot more sooner, however i acknowledge they have done a far better job than bungling Boris and lunatic Trump in the UK and USA respectively.

    I think its only safe to pass judgement on different countries approaches in maybe 6-12 months time. Time will change a lot of things.

    At the end of the day the worldwide figure for deaths from Covid is something like 400k.

    I feel sorry for the other 24.5m that died this year but were deemed utterly irrelevant


  • #3593
    Micky 32
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,627 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    Hurrache wrote: »
    Being positive and facing reality aren't mutual exclusive though.

    People who don't want to face the reality and stats when saying the opposite, by definition, have their head in the sand. There's no escaping that. You can chose to ignore it, and that's perfectly fine and normal, but they can't argue the opposite to the unfortunate reality.

    .

    It depends what people you are referring to. Are you referring to the people who abided by the restrictions who now post on here expressing their happiness about the easing of the restrictions? Then saying they have their heads in the sand? If so get on your bike and keep cycling.

    However If you are talking about the house party merchants i agree.


  • #3594
    Cork Boy 53
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,829 ✭✭✭Cork Boy 53


    growleaves wrote: »
    Why do you think that? Are you a lobbyist with an inside track? Mad prices for masks in my area. Where are 4.9 million masks going to come from? Two weeks ago a poster here was accusing of people of hoarding masks needed by the HSE.

    No I`m not a lobbyist. Just take a look at what the countries who have relaxed most restrictions earlier have done re.making mask wearing mandatory and what Simon Harris has been saying in recent times. Sooner or later (probably sooner) it will happen here too.


  • #3595
    Cork Boy 53
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,829 ✭✭✭Cork Boy 53


    setanta1984 wrote: »
    Yeah because that's the main point that my post was making :rolleyes:
    Yeah well what you call living in cloud cuckoo land I call just taking common sense measures.


  • #3596
    Chicoso
    Closed Accounts Posts: 122 ✭✭Chicoso


    "Hotels 'should avoid' offering buffet-style service under new guidelines"

    Such horsesh1t

    Regulations are way to complex anyhow, distance is the main thing


  • #3597
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    opinionated3 wrote: »
    Yes he did. A depressing interview which kinda shattered my positivity over the recent days numbers of new cases. He basically said the current course of action would see all of us eventually spend time in ICU some time in the next four or five years. Very dismissive of the potential for the virus burning itself out anytime soon.

    Having not listened to him speak I had assumed he was well intentioned, if misguided, but for the life of me, if accurate, I cant see where he gets the above from, and do wonder, either about his sanity or motivation


  • #3598
    Micky 32
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,627 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    Just drove by a shop in my town with a queue outside it. No 2m distancing going on there, more like 1m.


  • #3599
    Cork Boy 53
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,829 ✭✭✭Cork Boy 53


    Chicoso wrote: »
    "Hotels 'should avoid' offering buffet-style service under new guidelines"

    Such horsesh1t

    Regulations are way to complex anyhow, distance is the main thing
    Why do you think they are horse****?
    And do you mean regulations are way too complex for those who can`t be arsed following them?


  • #3600
    VonLuck
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,471 ✭✭✭VonLuck


    Micky 32 wrote: »
    Just drove by a shop in my town with a queue outside it. No 2m distancing going on there, more like 1m.

    This is why a distance of 2m should be kept for the general public as most do not understand how long 2m is.

    1m should only be permitted by businesses where they can actually manage it by markings on the ground and limiting the number of people in the store.


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  • #3601
    average_runner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,892 ✭✭✭✭average_runner


    VonLuck wrote: »
    This is why a distance of 2m should be kept for the general public as most do not understand how long 2m is.

    1m should only be permitted by businesses where they can actually manage it by markings on the ground and limiting the number of people in the store.


    Why not manage two meters with markings, that will the people that don't know what 2 meters is.


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