Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IV - Read OP for Mod Warnings

Hurrache · 09-06-2020 11:46AM

Micky 32 wrote: »

Would you ever give over about the head in the sand shyte. People are entitled to be positive and try and live their lives, we have to try. give over ffs

- There'll be no second wave.
- Hey, here's some numbers, not good for some American states.
- Meh, RTE catholic media, who cares.
- Eh, it's from America.
- Get outta here, we don't want to know. Be positive, not realistic.
- Er, like having my head in the sand?

This thread and forum is the last place anyone wants to be who wants to escape and be positive and live their lives.

jonnny68 wrote: »

Big time,jaysus theres a serious amount of lockdown fanatics and prophets of doom on here incredible.

Hurrache wrote: »

Am I happy to take advantage of the loosened restrictions, absolutely.

jonnny68 · 09-06-2020 11:50AM

Micky 32 wrote: »

Even if the virus won’t go away and keeps returning like the predictions on this thread people are just gonna have to learn to live with it full stop. Every man for themselves , everyone do their best to protect themselves from catching it.

Exactly,whats the point in worrying constantly about it, just get on with your life as best you can maintaining good hygiene,etc

These prophets of doom really need to take a long hard look at themselves.

Micky 32 · 09-06-2020 11:51AM

Hurrache wrote: »

- There'll be no second wave.
- Hey, here's some numbers, not good for some American states.
- Meh, RTE catholic media, who cares.
- Eh, it's from America.
- Get outta here, we don't want to know. Be positive, not realistic.
- Er, like having my head in the sand?

This thread and forum is the last place anyone wants to be who wants to escape and be positive and live their lives.

Well be more positive then and stop accusing everyone on here who wants a bit of normality having their head in the sand shyte. Pure nonsense. I want normality but i still abided by the restrictions.

jonnny68 · 09-06-2020 11:54AM

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

Most of the doom predicting in this thread seems to be of the economic variety, I assume you feel the same about those posters?

no i dont, i just get on with things the best i can, people can whinge and moan all they want but it isn't going to make a blind bit of difference,just get on with things, the virus is rapidly diminishing and as previously mentioned we'll be back to 90% normality in 2 months.

Micky 32 · 09-06-2020 11:55AM

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

Most of the doom predicting in this thread seems to be of the economic variety, I assume you feel the same about those posters?

The economy doomsters might be on to something though. Serious situation. Haven’t we already had Eamonn Ryan spouting about a raft of new taxes to pay for post Covid 19.

Hurrache · 09-06-2020 11:56AM

Micky 32 wrote: »

Well be more positive then and stop accusing everyone on here who wants a bit of normality having their head in the sand shyte. Pure nonsense. I want normality but i still abided by the restrictions.

Being positive and facing reality aren't mutual exclusive though.

People who don't want to face the reality and stats when saying the opposite, by definition, have their head in the sand. There's no escaping that. You can chose to ignore it, and that's perfectly fine and normal, but they can't argue the opposite to the unfortunate reality.

jonnny68 wrote: »

people can whinge and moan all they want

Facts and figures aren't whinges and moans. And that's the problem, selective ignorance. I'm perfectly happy, even though I'm aware of the reality of this thing.

crossman47 · 09-06-2020 12:00PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

Well be more positive then and stop accusing everyone on here who wants a bit of normality having their head in the sand shyte. Pure nonsense. I want normality but i still abided by the restrictions.

If you abided by the restrictions, you are not a head in the sand merchant. We just need a bit of balance. Its good the economy is reopening but we need to be careful. This virus is dangerous and easily transmitted. Odds are it will come back . When it does, it will spread rapidly unless we have very fast response test and trace. To think otherwise is wishful thinking. Here's hoping we can do that.

el Fenomeno · 09-06-2020 12:00PM

Dunphy had a reporter on his podcast yesterday (his name escapes me) who said Holohan wrote a letter the government back in April advising that anyone coming from abroad (be it tourism or Irish people returning from a foreign trip) should face a mandatory quarantine for 2 weeks in a dedicated facility.

I couldn't believe that. To me, that hammered home the Holohan is purely thinking about how to reduce the spread, with zero thought given to other factors (be them legal, moral, financial or even just general feasibility).

I've said it before, but the history books will not draw any link between Holohan and the economic consequences of his advice. And likely that's the job he's been given - to advise purely from a scientific perspective. I'm glad the government didn't take that particular advice on board, and I hope they place a bit less weight in his opinion going forward. I wish they had taken a similar approach earlier though.

plodder · 09-06-2020 12:03PM

Deleted User wrote: »

There most likely won't be a 2nd surge. But of course we should be planning just in case. The most important thing would be to ensure that we don't lockdown so many healthy people again at a huge financial cost.

We would need to need to look at alternative actions. Cocooning the over 70's would be the best bet. 1M social distancing. Hand Washing. Temperature checks at airports etc.

Plus certain localised measures. Quarantine of individuals or households if they've been in contact. Or if it breaks out in a school, then a class gets sent home for a week or two or maybe the school being closed, but everything else in the area continuing.

I think there should be a big push with the app to get a high level of take-up (voluntarily). There's a perception that it's coming late just as lockdown is being lifted, but really it's one of the tools to help manage a second wave.

ShooterSF · 09-06-2020 12:03PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Under current guidelines you basically won't be allowed to meet someone for a meal who isn't from your house, cafe and restaurant staff to stay 2m away from your table. What an utterly unworkable document. 1m will make a hell of a difference for the hospitality industry.

https://twitter.com/adriancummins/status/1270255102629158912?s=19

Washing hands after handling cash. Cleaning shared equipment after use, so card machines, tills, ice scoops, taps, thongs for fruit. All while trying to maintain social distancing behind bars. I'm sure someone who works back of house will say it'll also massively slow down their productivity too. People are going to have to be patient waiting to be served that's for sure.

09-06-2020 12:04PM

Hurrache wrote: »

- There'll be no second wave.
- Hey, here's some numbers, not good for some American states.
- Meh, RTE catholic media, who cares.
- Eh, it's from America.
- Get outta here, we don't want to know. Be positive, not realistic.
- Er, like having my head in the sand?

This thread and forum is the last place anyone wants to be who wants to escape and be positive and live their lives.

Back in January, models and experts were throwing out all kinds of doomsday figures. 20000 people in Ireland could die of Covid. Maybe it was a just a typo and they accidentally added a 0?

Either way, we came nowhere close to the worst case scenario. We even fell short of the best case scenarios.

Now people are banging on and on about a 2nd wave. Oh look... Macedonia had a spike...

Lockdown is over and it won't return. If Covid does come back, we'll have to learn with it. Which will basically mean that healthy people will continue going to school/work. Elders can cocoon.

People in fear of the virus are and always have been free to remain at home for however long they feel necessary.

crossman47 · 09-06-2020 12:09PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Back in January, models and experts were throwing out all kinds of doomsday figures. 20000 people in Ireland could die of Covid. Maybe it was a just a typo and they accidentally added a 0?

Either way, we came nowhere close to the worst case scenario. We even fell short of the best case scenarios.

No, it wasn't a typo. That would have happened if we hadn't acted. Surely you understand that restrictive measures to offset a problem mean the problem does not arise (provided they work).

hmmm · 09-06-2020 12:12PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Either way, we came nowhere close to the worst case scenario. We even fell short of the best case scenarios.

Because we imposed restrictions. If we had left it spread unchecked there is no way of knowing how bad it would have been, all we have are the grim predictions of the models. We're guessing 5% of the population (at most) has had this so far.

Lockdown is over and it won't return. If Covid does come back, we'll have to learn with it. Which will basically mean that healthy people will continue going to school/work. Elders can cocoon.

It's like two completely different posts. First telling everyone we didn't see a worst case scenario because we locked down, and the second half telling us we shouldn't lockdown.

ixoy · 09-06-2020 12:13PM

crossman47 wrote: »

No, it wasn't a typo. That would have happened if we hadn't acted. Surely you understand that restrictive measures to offset a problem mean the problem does not arise (provided they work).

Well we certainly don't know that it would have happened to that degree, although we can pretty safely say it would be more than what actually happened with the lockdown.

Hurrache · 09-06-2020 12:14PM

el Fenomeno wrote: »

I couldn't believe that. To me, that hammered home the Holohan is purely thinking about how to reduce the spread, with zero thought given to other factors (be them legal, moral, financial or even just general feasibility).

You mean someone in charge of the medical response to a pandemic focused purely on a medical response? That's mad Ted.

Hurrache · 09-06-2020 12:16PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Back in January, models and experts were throwing out all kinds of doomsday figures. 20000 people in Ireland could die of Covid. Maybe it was a just a typo and they accidentally added a 0?

Either way, we came nowhere close to the worst case scenario. We even fell short of the best case scenarios.

Mmmm, Ireland, and the rest of the world for the most part, didn't hit the worse case scenario figures. Did you stop to think for a moment what may have happened a few months after those models?

growleaves · 09-06-2020 12:17PM

crossman47 wrote: »

No, it wasn't a typo. That would have happened if we hadn't acted. Surely you understand that restrictive measures to offset a problem mean the problem does not arise (provided they work).

You are claiming we would have seen Spanish Flu levels of deaths (25,000). I don't believe it.

No scientific studies on lockdowns, its just a policy Italy borrowed from the CCP in a panic. It's not even recommended in the Ferguson model.

09-06-2020 12:18PM

crossman47 wrote: »

No, it wasn't a typo. That would have happened if we hadn't acted. Surely you understand that restrictive measures to offset a problem mean the problem does not arise (provided they work).

Other countries didn't lockdown at all and came nowhere close to the numbers some were predicting.

Could it be that many people were simply just wrong?

skelly22 · 09-06-2020 12:20PM

el Fenomeno wrote: »

Dunphy had a reporter on his podcast yesterday (his name escapes me) who said Holohan wrote a letter the government back in April advising that anyone coming from abroad (be it tourism or Irish people returning from a foreign trip) should face a mandatory quarantine for 2 weeks in a dedicated facility.

I couldn't believe that. To me, that hammered home the Holohan is purely thinking about how to reduce the spread, with zero thought given to other factors (be them legal, moral, financial or even just general feasibility).

I've said it before, but the history books will not draw any link between Holohan and the economic consequences of his advice. And likely that's the job he's been given - to advise purely from a scientific perspective. I'm glad the government didn't take that particular advice on board, and I hope they place a bit less weight in his opinion going forward. I wish they had taken a similar approach earlier though.

Agree entirely. The most off-the-wall, unworkable piece of advice imaginable.

growleaves · 09-06-2020 12:20PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Other countries didn't lockdown at all and came nowhere close to the numbers some were predicting.

Could it be that many people were simply just wrong?

On the modelled predictions, Greater Tokyo (population 38 million) should have had in the region of 1 million dead.

09-06-2020 12:21PM

Hurrache wrote: »

Mmmm, Ireland, and the rest of the world for the most part, didn't hit the worse case scenario figures. Did you stop to think for a moment what may have happened a few months after those models?

Going by countries that didn't lockdown at all... certainly death toll would be a little higher. But nowhere close to the numbers some predicted.

hmmm · 09-06-2020 12:21PM

growleaves wrote: »

It's not even recommended in the Ferguson model.

If I remember correctly the UK models looked specifically also at a cocooning-only strategy, and this showed a spike exceeding ICU capacity so more would be needed. It was realising this that caused the UK to change their strategy practically overnight.

crossman47 · 09-06-2020 12:35PM

growleaves wrote: »

You are claiming we would have seen Spanish Flu levels of deaths (25,000). I don't believe it.

No scientific studies on lockdowns, its just a policy Italy borrowed from the CCP in a panic. It's not even recommended in the Ferguson model.

Maybe not 20,000 but much higher than we got. The UK, who introduced a lockdown but badly, are now over 50,000 deaths and will go close to an overall death rate of 0.1%. Pro rata we would have 5,000 deaths so, with no lockdown, I think it is reasonable to say we would have exceeded 10,000.

09-06-2020 12:37PM

hmmm wrote: »

Because we imposed restrictions. If we had left it spread unchecked there is no way of knowing how bad it would have been, all we have are the grim predictions of the models. We're guessing 5% of the population (at most) has had this so far.

It's like two completely different posts. First telling everyone we didn't see a worst case scenario because we locked down, and the second half telling us we shouldn't lockdown.

Its possible to believe the lockdown stopped the spread of the virus and that we also do not need a similar lockdown in the future. By the time winter hits we should know enough about the spread of the virus to suspend certain high risk activities without shutting the whole country.

09-06-2020 12:38PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Other countries didn't lockdown at all and came nowhere close to the numbers some were predicting.

Could it be that many people were simply just wrong?

I would say its been posted 500 times in this forum already, but once again, these other countries did not do nothing and they are still suffering higher death rates while most of western Europe is under control

FintanMcluskey · 09-06-2020 12:42PM

That galute Gerry Killeen just on the radio just now talking about us all spending time in ICU with Covid over the next 4 or 5 years.

Some of us take that at face value and merit of a total spoofer enjoying limelight at the present time.

Others, some of which are on this thread, are genuinely vulnerable to such unsubstantiated lies and would be wise to ignore where possible.

Life will return to normal, especially for the benefit of those so young that this is not one bit dangerous too

Deeper Blue · 09-06-2020 12:46PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

That galute Gerry Killeen just on the radio just now talking about us all spending time in ICU with Covid over the next 4 or 5 years.

Some of us take that at face value and merit of a total spoofer enjoying limelight at the present time.

Others, some of which are on this thread, are genuinely vulnerable to such unsubstantiated lies and would be wise to ignore where possible.

Life will return to normal, especially for the benefit of those so young that this is not one bit dangerous too

I said it yesterday but someone from UCC needs to have a word in his ear and tell him to shut his gob. Whatever about his own credibility (which is long gone) he's actually embarrassing the college at this stage.

Chicoso · 09-06-2020 12:46PM

Nobody bothering their hole with masks tbtf

I've got no problem with distance but they can fukk right off with masks people need to socialize

jonnny68 · 09-06-2020 12:46PM

I'm no fan of FFG or the Greens in fact i cant stand them , i believe FFG could have done a lot more sooner, however i acknowledge they have done a far better job than bungling Boris and lunatic Trump in the UK and USA respectively.

ixoy · 09-06-2020 12:48PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

That galute Gerry Killeen just on the radio just now talking about us all spending time in ICU with Covid over the next 4 or 5 years.

Did he actually say we'd all end up in ICU despite every statistic about Covid-19 hospitalisation saying otherwise? You know, despite the actual evidence?

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