Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IV - Read OP for Mod Warnings

_Kaiser_ · 09-06-2020 07:45AM

Some great news this morning..

Gardaí no longer have the power to enforce the movement restrictions laid out in the emergency coronavirus legislation introduced by the Government.

As of yesterday, people can travel anywhere within their own county or for up to 20km outside it, up from a previous radius of 5km.

However, unlike previous versions of the regulations, the latest provisions do not mention a criminal penalty for breaching the movement restrictions.

This means gardaí can no longer arrest or prosecute anyone moving outside the radius. The move to revoke one of the most draconian Garda powers in living memory was made on Sunday with no announcement or publicity.

A Garda spokesman said the force will continue to “encourage and educate” people found travelling outside the radius but confirmed it no longer has powers of arrest.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/covid-19-garda%C3%AD-lose-enforcement-powers-over-movement-restrictions-1.4273899

I won't quote the full thing but further down it's confirmed that it's not an oversight.

stephenjmcd · 09-06-2020 08:09AM

This mornings independent

'No return' to lockdown even if Ireland is hit by second wave of virus

Ireland will not go back into full lockdown even if there is a second wave of Covid-19 later in the year.

Those involved in the State's response to the pandemic believe that if there is a new surge of infection they will be able to take a more targeted approach.

"We now know the buttons to press. We know what interrupts transmission," a source told the Irish Independent.

Very little was known about the coronavirus when it reached Europe. However, there is now strong evidence that individual responsibility can stall its spread.

"Mass gathering and indoor meeting may be stopped again at the drop of a hat - but you won't see a situation where every school in the country is closed again," a well-placed source said.

09-06-2020 08:20AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

This mornings independent

'No return' to lockdown even if Ireland is hit by second wave of virus

Ireland will not go back into full lockdown even if there is a second wave of Covid-19 later in the year.

Those involved in the State's response to the pandemic believe that if there is a new surge of infection they will be able to take a more targeted approach.

"We now know the buttons to press. We know what interrupts transmission," a source told the Irish Independent.

Very little was known about the coronavirus when it reached Europe. However, there is now strong evidence that individual responsibility can stall its spread.

"Mass gathering and indoor meeting may be stopped again at the drop of a hat - but you won't see a situation where every school in the country is closed again," a well-placed source said.

Imagine that, learning from experience

_Kaiser_ · 09-06-2020 08:24AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Imagine that, learning from experience

More likely they've realised just how badly the economy has been hit and no incoming government wants to introduce "Austerity 2 - this time we really are screwed!" and some may be thinking of the inevitable enquiries into how they handled this mess.

But, more good news all the same

munsterlegend · 09-06-2020 08:24AM

Goldengirl wrote: »

I said NZ are one of the few countries to come out of this pandemic relatively unscathed, unlike most other countries , lockdown or not.
The article and the premise of the post I was replying to is the issue.
Everyone is having problems after this because of the pandemic, and the fall out from it, not just from lockdown.

What do you mean what do I propose? About what?

And by the way, I wasn't picking on him over the avatar..I thought he chose it deliberately .

NZ did very well but why are we comparing? It’s a remote country in the Southern Hemisphere and in no way comparable to us.

09-06-2020 08:40AM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

More likely they've realised just how badly the economy has been hit and no incoming government wants to introduce "Austerity 2 - this time we really are screwed!" and some may be thinking of the inevitable enquiries into how they handled this mess.

But, more good news all the same

I think the potential economic impact was perfectly well understood. Nobody thought all would be hunky-dory when economy was basically put into hibernation. What the have seen is how the virus spreads and what works to control it - i.e more than what Sweden did, but a more targeted version of what we did. We also have testing and tracing in place which enables the target approach which was not possible in March.

hmmm · 09-06-2020 08:40AM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

More likely they've realised just how badly the economy has been hit and no incoming government wants to introduce "Austerity 2 - this time we really are screwed!" and some may be thinking of the inevitable enquiries into how they handled this mess.

It's got nothing to do with realising anything, the whole point of the lockdown was to get cases low enough and ramp up our testing capability so that we can manage future outbreaks on a case by case basis. Combined with general social distancing it should be possible to be able to pinpoint where outbreaks occur - as long as people stop doing stupid things like going on protest marches and having large parties.

the kelt · 09-06-2020 08:45AM

It does seem to be the case that certain people have not taken the news of the acceleration of easing too well at all, seems to be an awful lot of bitterness.

It kind of makes a mockery of the “ we all want restrictions to be eased quicker but only when the Government/experts tell us it’s safe to do so” argument that was was being bandied about on the threads really.

stephenjmcd · 09-06-2020 09:16AM

Under current guidelines you basically won't be allowed to meet someone for a meal who isn't from your house, cafe and restaurant staff to stay 2m away from your table. What an utterly unworkable document. 1m will make a hell of a difference for the hospitality industry.

https://twitter.com/adriancummins/status/1270255102629158912?s=19

MickeyLeari · 09-06-2020 09:30AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Under current guidelines you basically won't be allowed to meet someone for a meal who isn't from your house, cafe and restaurant staff to stay 2m away from your table. What an utterly unworkable document. 1m will make a hell of a difference for the hospitality industry.

https://twitter.com/adriancummins/status/1270255102629158912?s=19

It is useful that the practical implications of the 2m rule are highlighted. Otherwise it remains abstract, although anyone in their right mind should figure out that its makes things impossible for many businesses.

polesheep · 09-06-2020 09:30AM

hmmm wrote: »

It's got nothing to do with realising anything, the whole point of the lockdown was to get cases low enough and ramp up our testing capability so that we can manage future outbreaks on a case by case basis. Combined with general social distancing it should be possible to be able to pinpoint where outbreaks occur - as long as people stop doing stupid things like going on protest marches and having large parties.

Lockdown was a panic-reaction. It's over now, however, and it won't be coming back. So, we might as well move on.

stephenjmcd · 09-06-2020 09:32AM

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

In fairness it says staff should stay 2m away where possible, so there's an acknowledgement that won't be possible in a lot of cases.

I didn't see anything about not being allowed to meet someone who isn't from your house, but I wouldn't worry about it, that's completely unenforceable.

Page 3
Note: The physical distancing measures outlined in these
guidelines are applicable between people from different
households.

I agree its not going to be enforceable, alot of the measures won't be. With 2m in place its hard to see many restaurants reopening at the end of June. 1m or 1.5 gives them a better chance

09-06-2020 09:33AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Under current guidelines you basically won't be allowed to meet someone for a meal who isn't from your house, cafe and restaurant staff to stay 2m away from your table. What an utterly unworkable document. 1m will make a hell of a difference for the hospitality industry.

https://twitter.com/adriancummins/status/1270255102629158912?s=19

An awful lot of "where possible" "encouraged" and such phrases. And its up to individuals to decide if there are from the same household, restaurants cannot police where people have come from

leahyl · 09-06-2020 09:36AM

Deleted User wrote: »

An awful lot of "where possible" "encouraged" and such phrases. And its up to individuals to decide if there are from the same household, restaurants cannot police where people have come from

Surely, many people going for meals with others from a different household, will have already met up with them before this anyway - seeing as you can now meet up to 6 people not from your household.

hmmm · 09-06-2020 09:36AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

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I agree its not going to be enforceable, alot of the measures won't be.

There isn't going to be Guards checking people in restaurants. That's not the type of country we have.

The Government has to hope that a reasonable amount of people and businesses will implement the restrictions fairly diligently, and that will be enough to lower the overall risk. A group of four people sitting down for dinner won't be asked anything. A group of 10 people may be. It's in the interests of the industry to self-police because of the consequences otherwise, and a certain amount of people (myself included) will also vote with their feet and only give custom to responsible businesses.

ChelseaRentBoy · 09-06-2020 09:37AM

hmmm wrote: »

This thread is hilarious. Where do you lot hang out normally?

From hugging grandparents left right and centre in the middle of a pandemic, to believing that shops will be full if we simply close our eyes and ignore everything, to some form of religious vision that a virus will never come back - and most of all a belief that you're all right and everyone else is wrong. It's just a riot of self-delusion.

It's been a real eye opener into a section of Irish society that's for sure.

Ginger n Lemon · 09-06-2020 09:39AM

acequion wrote: »

Jaysus, even commenting on a poster's avatar. There are some people whose only purpose on boards is to have a sparring match just for the sake of it. Pathetic :rolleyes:

We have truly defeated pro lockdown people yesterday, it wasnt hard but we did it!

Lol my avatar is orange, hmmm wonder if I should change it before someone comments on it? Since all restrictions are being lifted with speed of light all they gotta talk about is our avatars.

GOOD NEWS

GOOD NEWS

Irish ‘booking holidays to Spain, Portugal and Italy’ despite quarantine rules
Ryanair reports a surge in July and August bookings, in spite of advice to stay at home

https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/travel/irish-booking-holidays-to-spain-portugal-and-italy-despite-quarantine-rules-1.4273882?mode=sample&auth-failed=1&pw-origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Flife-and-style%2Ftravel%2Firish-booking-holidays-to-spain-portugal-and-italy-despite-quarantine-rules-1.4273882

People will finally get a good holiday they deserve.

Name of the game - mental health. Look after your mental health, past 3 months have been very very difficult on people.

stephenjmcd · 09-06-2020 09:41AM

hmmm wrote: »

There isn't going to be Guards checking people in restaurants. That's not the type of country we have.

The Government has to hope that a reasonable amount of people and businesses will implement the restrictions fairly diligently, and that will be enough to lower the overall risk. A group of four people sitting down for dinner won't be asked anything. A group of 10 people may be. It's in the interests of the industry to self-police because of the consequences otherwise, and a certain amount of people (myself included) will also vote with their feet and only give custom to responsible businesses.

Where was there any suggestion of guards. Its simply a point that the guidelines to restaurants are saying 2m between people not in the same family. Its unworkable is what I'm saying and won't be implemented.

You'll be hard pressed to find an establishment thats going to have all of these guidelines, like I've said 1m gives the whole industry a much better chance of making a go of the business.

is_that_so · 09-06-2020 09:42AM

ChelseaRentBoy wrote: »

It's been a real eye opener into a section of Irish society that's for sure.

On both a personal level and in the wider society. I wouldn't be too harsh on anyone TBH as none of us knew how we would respond to something like this and all of its effects, something that has, hitherto, been in the realms of fiction.

pjohnson · 09-06-2020 09:42AM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

We have truly defeated pro lockdown people yesterday, it wasnt hard but we did it!

Lol my avatar is orange, hmmm wonder if I should change it before someone comments on it? Since all restrictions are being lifted with speed of light all they gotta talk about is our avatars.

GOOD NEWS

GOOD NEWS

Irish ‘booking holidays to Spain, Portugal and Italy’ despite quarantine rules
Ryanair reports a surge in July and August bookings, in spite of advice to stay at home

https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/travel/irish-booking-holidays-to-spain-portugal-and-italy-despite-quarantine-rules-1.4273882?mode=sample&auth-failed=1&pw-origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Flife-and-style%2Ftravel%2Firish-booking-holidays-to-spain-portugal-and-italy-despite-quarantine-rules-1.4273882

People will finally get a good holiday they deserve.

Name of the game - mental health. Look after your mental health, past 3 months have been very very difficult on people.

Bahahaha are you really trying to play this again?

stephenjmcd · 09-06-2020 09:43AM

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

Thanks. Seems like a bit of a daft thing to put in. There are plenty of parts of the country that have had zero or minimal cases for weeks, is having a meal with someone from another house really going to do much harm at this stage?

I suppose the other question is whether the 2m is advised or mandatory. Most of the shops were asking people to shop alone yet not a single one enforced it. Could be something similar here.

its pointless putting it in when people are already meeting people from other households at less than 2m.

Anyway its a living document and I'd expect the 2m to be reduced but its far from a document to give any sort of certainty to an industry that opens in a few weeks time

Penfailed · 09-06-2020 09:47AM

the kelt wrote: »

It does seem to be the case that certain people have not taken the news of the acceleration of easing too well at all, seems to be an awful lot of bitterness.

It kind of makes a mockery of the “ we all want restrictions to be eased quicker but only when the Government/experts tell us it’s safe to do so” argument that was was being bandied about on the threads really.

Likewise, you could say that people on the other side of the argument are still bitter that even though the phasing has speeded up.

Honestly, I can't see any bitterness on either side. It's very easy to say it is without backing it up with something tangible though.

09-06-2020 09:48AM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

We have truly defeated pro lockdown people yesterday, it wasnt hard but we did it!

Lol my avatar is orange, hmmm wonder if I should change it before someone comments on it? Since all restrictions are being lifted with speed of light all they gotta talk about is our avatars.

GOOD NEWS

GOOD NEWS

Irish ‘booking holidays to Spain, Portugal and Italy’ despite quarantine rules
Ryanair reports a surge in July and August bookings, in spite of advice to stay at home

https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/travel/irish-booking-holidays-to-spain-portugal-and-italy-despite-quarantine-rules-1.4273882?mode=sample&auth-failed=1&pw-origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Flife-and-style%2Ftravel%2Firish-booking-holidays-to-spain-portugal-and-italy-despite-quarantine-rules-1.4273882

People will finally get a good holiday they deserve.

Name of the game - mental health. Look after your mental health, past 3 months have been very very difficult on people.

My company, globally, has implemented a policy whereby all staff who travel by air will be required to self isolate from work for 14 days on return. And unless they can demonstrate that the travel was necessary to support family or other emergency reason, this will be 14 days unpaid.

MickeyLeari · 09-06-2020 09:51AM

Deleted User wrote: »

My company, globally, has implemented a policy whereby all staff who travel by air will be required to self isolate from work for 14 days on return. And unless they can demonstrate that the travel was necessary to support family or other emergency reason, this will be 14 days unpaid.

If Government advice changes as expected to in terms of the intra-EU safe corridors, your company will be in the Labour Court in respect to this.

Ginger n Lemon · 09-06-2020 09:51AM

Deleted User wrote: »

My company, globally, has implemented a policy whereby all staff who travel by air will be required to self isolate from work for 14 days on return. And unless they can demonstrate that the travel was necessary to support family or other emergency reason, this will be 14 days unpaid.

Okay.

But surely you are happy for people getting their well deserved holiday?

Ginger n Lemon · 09-06-2020 09:52AM

A certain poster in this thread wont be happy at all

realities of lockdowns

Cork County Council is urgently looking for Government funding as it faces into the "stark" reality of a budget deficit of at least €23m from which it could take up to five years to recover, due to the Covid-19 lockdown.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/cork-county-councils-23m-deficit-could-take-five-years-to-recover-1004109.html

paw patrol · 09-06-2020 09:55AM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

More likely they've realised just how badly the economy has been hit and no incoming government wants to introduce "Austerity 2 - this time we really are screwed!" and some may be thinking of the inevitable enquiries into how they handled this mess.

But, more good news all the same

I said this before....but i'll repeat it

But Pascal said.....:rolleyes:

I don't know how he gets the good press...he is pretty bland with no ideas. Gives off the aura of being nothing more than a middle management civil servant

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Okay.

But surely you are happy for people getting their well deserved holiday?

teachers will be - I'd say next sept will be a nightmare , kids off for 6 months, no holidays and some will have spent 14hours a day on the playstation.
that's gonna be tough.

bUt tHe ViRuS !!!

Penfailed · 09-06-2020 09:56AM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

A certain poster in this thread wont be happy at all

realities of lockdowns

Cork County Council is urgently looking for Government funding as it faces into the "stark" reality of a budget deficit of at least €23m from which it could take up to five years to recover, due to the Covid-19 lockdown.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/cork-county-councils-23m-deficit-could-take-five-years-to-recover-1004109.html

This reads like a gloating post where you lord it over, 'a certain poster' about economic damage. Nice nod to mental health there.

09-06-2020 09:57AM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Okay.

But surely you are happy for people getting their well deserved holiday?

I am, and if I was in a position to be able to go I would be seriously considering heading of to the canaries for a week. Just pointing out that there are potential financial impacts that might come back to bite you at a later date as guidance shifts

09-06-2020 10:03AM

MickeyLeari wrote: »

If Government advice changes as expected to in terms of the intra-EU safe corridors, your company will be in the Labour Court in respect to this.

While I don't know the legal ins and outs, once its a policy applied to all employees equally it may well be legal. That are not saying you cant take time off, not saying you cant go abroad, just that by flying, based on current company policy you are defacto making yourself unavailable for work

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