Masks

Arrival · 08-06-2020 02:29PM

Seanergy wrote: »

You might be recommending facemasks, Harris is not, he wants us all wearing socks and t-shirts as a protection awareness measure. WTF!

Newstalk article this am.

"My absolute appeal to anybody getting on public transport or going into a shop today is to please wear a face covering.

"And I'd point out that the different between a face covering and a face mask [is] you can make a face covering at home with just a t-shirt or socks."

"It provides protection awareness; it's an additional hygiene measure - it's not a magic shield, but there's definitely some benefit in doing it".

He is literally useless. Fair enough to mention those as materials to use to make one, but phrasing it in that way makes it sound like just wearing a simple t-shirt or sock covering your nose and mouth is fine. The WHO have given specific information on how to make a decent homemade mask and he can't even simply repeat those

"there's definitely some benefit in doing it"

Even this, ****ing tell people the actual purpose of wearing a mask!!!

dfx- · 08-06-2020 02:59PM

No: other

railer201 wrote: »

The CDC, the ECDC, the WHO, the Czechs. You're not suggesting the aforementioned three organisations don't know what they're talking about by any chance ? - even though it took one of them a while for the penny to drop.

This thread alone advises on the materials to be used, loads of advice on how to make one, both sewed non-sewed.

In fact this thread is a one stop shop regarding masks, for those who will care to read it from end to end and ignore the anti-mask rubbish posts of course.

What do the Czechs or this thread say about covering your face with a t-shirt or socks?

Boggles · 08-06-2020 03:02PM

dfx- wrote: »

What do the Czechs or this thread say about covering your face with a t-shirt or socks?

Makes sure they are washed.

railer201 · 08-06-2020 04:32PM

Yes: valved

dfx- wrote: »

What do the Czechs or this thread say about covering your face with a t-shirt or socks?

It doesn't really matter whether a mask is made from an old t-shirt, sock or whatever, provided you end up with something like the examples shown in this video, which shows Czech people all wearing them and thereby protecting each other.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZeletIHs5Go

railer201 · 08-06-2020 05:55PM

Yes: valved

Very disappointing watching the news now on Virgin One, showing a video clip of shoppers in Grafton St., and not a face mask in sight. Simultanously, then they were talking about reducing the 2 metre social distancing to 1 metre.

It looks like no one is taking the role of face masks seriously. I really hope there's no kick back from this in two weeks time.

weldoninhio · 08-06-2020 07:16PM

No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend

Boggles wrote: »

Put a sock in your mouth. - Health Minister.

We are fúcked if this thing comes back in the winter.

Sure we’re used to it now.

We were fcuked after the May Bank Holiday.

Then we were fcuked with people going to the beaches/having street parties throughout May.

Then we were fcuked after Phase 1 opened.

Then we were especially fcuked after the June Bank Holiday.

Even now we’re fcuked with the phases being accelerated.

We are in a constant state of fcuked according to some posters.

Dubl07 · 08-06-2020 07:52PM

Yes: other

weldoninhio wrote: »

Sure we’re used to it now.

We were fcuked after the May Bank Holiday.

Then we were fcuked with people going to the beaches/having street parties throughout May.

Then we were fcuked after Phase 1 opened.

Then we were especially fcuked after the June Bank Holiday.

Even now we’re fcuked with the phases being accelerated.

We are in a constant state of fcuked according to some posters.

Well, you're not dead yet so we mustn't be in trouble yet. I take it you haven't been in ICU with it, haven't lost a close friend or family member, haven't stood outside a church or cemetery wall because the funeral was limited in numbers?

Thousands of people have died. Thousands more have compromised health and many thousands more have been trying to mourn, isolate and protect vulnerable people. If we don't continue to take adequate precautions, all those people will have died, been hurt and mourned in vain. More will just follow in their footsteps so that smartar$es can mock the precautions or do a Boris and shake everyone's hand, damn the consequences. Selfish, ignorant, self-entitled fools that they are.

Darc19 · 08-06-2020 08:05PM

Dubl07 wrote: »

Well, you're not dead yet so we mustn't be in trouble yet. I take it you haven't been in ICU with it, haven't lost a close friend or family member, haven't stood outside a church or cemetery wall because the funeral was limited in numbers?

Thousands of people have died. Thousands more have compromised health and many thousands more have been trying to mourn, isolate and protect vulnerable people. If we don't continue to take adequate precautions, all those people will have died, been hurt and mourned in vain. More will just follow in their footsteps so that smartar$es can mock the precautions or do a Boris and shake everyone's hand, damn the consequences. Selfish, ignorant, self-entitled fools that they are.

Thousands?

The news says 1683 and that includes those who "may" have died of covid - someone with a terminal illness with a couple of weeks to live and gets Covid-19 is counted in Irish figures.

It's not a joking matter, but let's put it in perspective. The knowledge is substantially better than 12 weeks ago.

The curve was flattened. People are being more conscious in terms of social distancing.

No need to wear masks if moving. It's a placebo in such situation.

In a stationary situation such as a queue in a shop, or on transport, it can provide comfort to some people and anyone who may have respiratory issues should wear one.

But we need less of the schoolyard squeaking and less sensationalist scaremongering.

Let's respect those who want to wear a mask and let's respect those who don't.

alentejo · 08-06-2020 08:55PM

Really annoyed about Tony Holohan's remarks about masks this evening.

One one hand government recommends their use (not wholeheartedly), and leaves it up to the individual with a remark from Leo V not to be judgemental to people who choose not to use them.

The whole message from both the government and the WHO about the use of masks during this pandemic has been very unclear.

Either make them mandatory or not. Do not be judgemental on their use or non use.

peterofthebr · 08-06-2020 09:38PM

Yes: other

i ordered masks from https://cambridgemask.com
should getthen in about 4 weeks i hope. would love to locate some spare FFP3 masks ..but its not possible at the moment...

Dubl07 · 08-06-2020 11:09PM

Yes: other

Darc19 wrote: »

Thousands?

The news says 1683 and that includes those who "may" have died of covid - someone with a terminal illness with a couple of weeks to live and gets Covid-19 is counted in Irish figures.

I'm talking about a European perspective.

It's not a joking matter, but let's put it in perspective. The knowledge is substantially better than 12 weeks ago.

The curve was flattened. People are being more conscious in terms of social distancing.

Because of self isolation and shops being closed. Now that people are out and about, masks should not be an 'ah yeah, sure if you want to' option.

No need to wear masks if moving. It's a placebo in such situation.

Have you seen any of the animations of spray from someone moving?

In a stationary situation such as a queue in a shop, or on transport, it can provide comfort to some people and anyone who may have respiratory issues should wear one.

Shopping, or transport, are places where droplets are spread and can cause infection. Mask-wearing is a valid precaution, not a 'blankie'.

People with respiratory issues may find it extremely difficult to breathe in masks. Should they be written off because fit people are too selfish to be active parts of society and protect their fellow citizens? And let us not forget that young men have become extremely unwell with Covid as well as the older, decrepit ones.

But we need less of the schoolyard squeaking and less sensationalist scaremongering.

Let's respect those who want to wear a mask and let's respect those who don't.

I disagree. The WHO and governments throughout the globe knew that there was insufficient PPE but decided to disguise that by saying the public should learn how to wash their hands, giving lessons in same, and stay at home because we're too stupid to put masks on properly. Now they've changed tack.

I appeal to you, sincerely, inform yourself with an open mind.

ginoginelli · 09-06-2020 12:23AM

Yes: surgical

alentejo wrote: »

Really annoyed about Tony Holohan's remarks about masks this evening.

One one hand government recommends their use (not wholeheartedly), and leaves it up to the individual with a remark from Leo V not to be judgemental to people who choose not to use them.

The whole message from both the government and the WHO about the use of masks during this pandemic has been very unclear.

Either make them mandatory or not. Do not be judgemental on their use or non use.

It is frustrating. He only really comments on face coverings when pushed by the media, and is always very negative about them.

drunkmonkey · 09-06-2020 07:45AM

No: other

If the WHO are correct face masks are 100% not required for healthy people or asymptomatic, your not going to pass it to anyone.
The whole argument here for masks was to protect other people not yourself if you happen to be asymptomatic. That line of thought is gone out the window now.

weldoninhio · 09-06-2020 07:55AM

No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend

Dubl07 wrote: »

Well, you're not dead yet so we mustn't be in trouble yet. I take it you haven't been in ICU with it, haven't lost a close friend or family member, haven't stood outside a church or cemetery wall because the funeral was limited in numbers?

Thousands of people have died. Thousands more have compromised health and many thousands more have been trying to mourn, isolate and protect vulnerable people. If we don't continue to take adequate precautions, all those people will have died, been hurt and mourned in vain. More will just follow in their footsteps so that smartar$es can mock the precautions or do a Boris and shake everyone's hand, damn the consequences. Selfish, ignorant, self-entitled fools that they are.

And yet, without mandatory masks, the numbers continue to plummet. Facts, not feelings.

McGiver · 09-06-2020 08:06AM

No: I don't care enough

railer201 wrote:

The CDC, the ECDC, the WHO, the Czechs. You're not suggesting the aforementioned three organisations don't know what they're talking about by any chance ? - even though it took one of them a while for the penny to drop.

And the Chinese and the Canadian CDCs.

With all the criticism to the CCP etc, the Chinese CDC boss was saying 3 months ago that no universal mask usage in EU and US is a mistake...

McGiver · 09-06-2020 08:16AM

No: I don't care enough

weldoninhio wrote:

And yet, without mandatory masks, the numbers continue to plummet. Facts, not feelings.

The question is what was required to make those numbers "plummet".

At the cost of shutting down the whole economy and for a long time. 28% unemployment in May! And 35 billion government debt, austerity and deflationary recession for years to come.

Irish death per capita is one of the highest in Europe just below the worst affected countries, around the same as Sweden and Netherlands who didn't shut down their economy. The same goes for cases per capita, way too high.

The numbers could have been much better if the government did what Norway, Greece, Czechia did.

1. Close borders.
2. Isolate old, vulnerable, care homes.
3. Universal mandatory mask usage.

Much shorter lockdown would be needed and with much better results.

yosemitesam1 · 09-06-2020 08:19AM

weldoninhio wrote: »

And yet, without mandatory masks, the numbers continue to plummet. Facts, not feelings.

The sceptical view would be that masks do very little, just add to the drama so people are less likely to question our great leaders.

Wibbs · 09-06-2020 08:20AM

Yes: other

Dubl07 wrote: »

I appeal to you, sincerely, inform yourself with an open mind.

Good luck with that... What this virus has taught us is that people generally tend to fall into a few groups: the be grand type, the bending to authority and follower type, the panic merchant type and the dropped on their head as babies type. Few within each group will accept new information and change their opinions.

Darc19 wrote: »

Let's respect those who want to wear a mask and let's respect those who don't.

Which sounds lovely and balanced and accepting(which is all the rage, so called "respect" for the sake of it, with no merit), but completely moronic from the point of view of community spread. Would you say the same in say a care home? No, of course you wouldn't because that would be stupid, but apparently outside of that context the same virus is magically different. Put it another way; would you say the same of vaccination? No of course not, only an idiot anti vaxxer type would.

And here follows a perfect example of the lady's not for turning. To the point of incredulity.

drunkmonkey wrote: »

If the WHO are correct face masks are 100% not required for healthy people or asymptomatic, your not going to pass it to anyone.
The whole argument here for masks was to protect other people not yourself if you happen to be asymptomatic. That line of thought is gone out the window now.

We appear to have flown back in time by about four months(or more), where asymptomatic spread was seen as low risk. That someone can make such a daft statement today speaks volumes and of nothing good.

Like I've noted before, thank christ this dose is/was so mild for the vast majority and only killed who you would expect it to kill and even there it was fatal to a minority. How this has played out across the world and here in Ireland is a concern and should be a warning for the future. If this had come with the fatality rate of something like smallpox and killed a third of infected people of all ages most of the countries of the world would have been utterly screwed and we'd be looking at a societal reset. It shows how vulnerable the modern world and particularly western culture is to remarkably little stress.

drunkmonkey · 09-06-2020 08:27AM

No: other

Points 1 and 2 would have been enough, asymptomatic aren't spreaders so masks are no use for the healthy. The advice for anyone with symptoms stands true, stay at home. The rest of us don't and didn't need to wear masks. It would have made no difference to the stats here as they don't protect you from symptomatic people.
It was a woke campaign by the maskers from the start, it's not about saving our lives it's about saving theirs, straight out of Ant Man.

Another thing also goes out the window, social distancing. Wait until the vitners hear about this.

everlast75 · 09-06-2020 08:27AM

Wibbs wrote: »

Good luck with that... What this virus has taught us is that people generally tend to fall into a few groups: the be grand type, the bending to authority and follower type, the panic merchant type and the dropped on their head as babies type. Few within each group will accept new information and change their opinions.

Which sounds lovely and balanced and accepting(which is all the rage, so called "respect" for the sake of it, with no merit), but completely moronic from the point of view of community spread. Would you say the same in say a care home? No, of course you wouldn't because that would be stupid, but apparently outside of that context the same virus is magically different. Put it another way; would you say the same of vaccination? No of course not, only an idiot anti vaxxer type would.

And here follows a perfect example of the lady's not for turning. To the point of incredulity.
We appear to have flown back in time by about four months(or more), where asymptomatic spread was seen as low risk. That someone can make such a daft statement today speaks volumes and of nothing good.

Like I've noted before, thank christ this dose is/was so mild for the vast majority and only killed who you would expect it to kill and even there it was fatal to a minority. How this has played out across the world and here in Ireland is a concern and should be a warning for the future. If this had come with the fatality rate of something like smallpox and killed a third of infected people of all ages most of the countries of the world would have been utterly screwed and we'd be looking at a societal reset. It shows how vulnerable the modern world and particularly western culture is to remarkably little stress.

I'm more concerned about how alot of people appear not to be learning anything at all from what we are going through.

weldoninhio · 09-06-2020 08:28AM

No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend

McGiver wrote: »

The question is what was required to make those numbers "plummet".

At the cost of shutting down the whole economy and for a long time. 28% unemployment in May! And 35 billion government debt, austerity and deflationary recession for years to come.

Irish death per capita is one of the highest in Europe just below the worst affected countries, around the same as Sweden and Netherlands who didn't shut down their economy. The same goes for cases per capita, way too high.

The numbers could have been much better if the government did what Norway, Greece, Czechia did.

1. Close borders.
2. Isolate old, vulnerable, care homes.
3. Universal mandatory mask usage.

Much shorter lockdown would be needed and with much better results.

1. We have a land border with another country.
2. If we'd just done the bold we'd have 3/400 deaths maybe?
3. No evidence that this would have made a screed of difference. Get over it.

railer201 · 09-06-2020 08:30AM

Yes: valved

weldoninhio wrote: »

And yet, without mandatory masks, the numbers continue to plummet. Facts, not feelings.

Not quite !

It was reported on RTE 1 news two days ago that the average number of close contacts for new cases of Covid-19 has risen from below 3 to 4 and over.

'Plummet' is a bit OTT, the virus hasn't gone away, and we have to wait for at least 2 weeks for the facts, at any stage, until it does.

drunkmonkey · 09-06-2020 08:33AM

No: other

@wibbs, so what do you think now, believe WHO or don't? I'm kinda on Trump's side they've been a dangerous mess, thought our government were out of order upping our WHO funding in a knee jerk reaction to Trump pulling it.

Masks up to yourself, isn't all this perspex pointless now, I've never read it any guidelines anywhere. Yet you walk into some shops and there wearing a face mask under a face shield behind a sheet of perspex. It's all a bit OTT and now seems
unnecessary.

Evilcamper · 09-06-2020 08:35AM

Yes: surgical

I work in a local charity and we have overestimated demand for surgical masks by about 7,000 in the local area for other charities and nursing homes. We are providing them at the cost price of 85 cents and I am just wondering where would be the best place to advertise them or who would be the best to contact so that they go to those services which are vital but have been overlooked by the HSE?

weldoninhio · 09-06-2020 08:35AM

No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend

railer201 wrote: »

Not quite !

It was reported on RTE 1 news two days ago that the average number of close contacts for new cases of Covid-19 has risen from below 3 to 4 and over.

'Plummet' is a bit OTT, the virus hasn't gone away, and we have to wait for at least 2 weeks for the facts, at any stage, until it does.

We were getting hundreds of cases a week or so ago, we are down to low double digits or in yesterdays case single digits. Numbers have plummeted. Facts, not feelings.

drunkmonkey · 09-06-2020 08:40AM

No: other

weldoninhio wrote: »

We were getting hundreds of cases a week or so ago, we are down to low double digits or in yesterdays case single digits. Numbers have plummeted. Facts, not feelings.

Just on a bit of balance there were 43 cases in total when we closed the schools. Yesterdays numbers are the usual weekend low. Today we're probably in the 20/40's again.
I don't think we're out of the woods yet.

weldoninhio · 09-06-2020 08:48AM

No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Just on a bit of balance there were 43 cases in total when we closed the schools. Yesterdays numbers are the usual weekend low. Today we're probably in the 20/40's again.
I don't think we're out of the woods yet.

As explained MULTIPLE times in this and various other Coronavirus threads. We DO NOT have weekend lag in Ireland. :rolleyes: Again, facts not feelings.

railer201 · 09-06-2020 08:49AM

Yes: valved

weldoninhio wrote: »

We were getting hundreds of cases a week or so ago, we are down to low double digits or in yesterdays case single digits. Numbers have plummeted. Facts, not feelings.

Let's see in 2 weeks time where we are as regards the facts, now that people are again coming into close contact on public transport, socialising, and travelling further, and from the looks of it, won't be masking up in any significant numbers.

drunkmonkey · 09-06-2020 08:54AM

No: other

weldoninhio wrote: »

As explained MULTIPLE times in this and various other Coronavirus threads. We DO NOT have weekend lag in Ireland. :rolleyes: Again, facts not feelings.

We do Tony says it every Monday, there weekend numbers. It's always been like this with the health services. If there were stats around days of death I'll bet your more likely to die Saturday/Sunday in hospital than Tuesday.
We have weekend lag.

railer201 · 09-06-2020 08:55AM

Yes: valved

weldoninhio wrote: »

As explained MULTIPLE times in this and various other Coronavirus threads. We DO NOT have weekend lag in Ireland. :rolleyes: Again, facts not feelings.

We do actually have a 'numbers' lag at the weekend, Dr. Tony Holohan made reference to it yesterday.

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