Seanergy wrote: » You might be recommending facemasks, Harris is not, he wants us all wearing socks and t-shirts as a protection awareness measure. WTF!Newstalk article this am. "My absolute appeal to anybody getting on public transport or going into a shop today is to please wear a face covering. "And I'd point out that the different between a face covering and a face mask [is] you can make a face covering at home with just a t-shirt or socks." "It provides protection awareness; it's an additional hygiene measure - it's not a magic shield, but there's definitely some benefit in doing it".
railer201 wrote: » The CDC, the ECDC, the WHO, the Czechs. You're not suggesting the aforementioned three organisations don't know what they're talking about by any chance ? - even though it took one of them a while for the penny to drop. This thread alone advises on the materials to be used, loads of advice on how to make one, both sewed non-sewed. In fact this thread is a one stop shop regarding masks, for those who will care to read it from end to end and ignore the anti-mask rubbish posts of course.
dfx- wrote: » What do the Czechs or this thread say about covering your face with a t-shirt or socks?
Boggles wrote: » Put a sock in your mouth. - Health Minister. We are fúcked if this thing comes back in the winter.
weldoninhio wrote: » Sure we’re used to it now. We were fcuked after the May Bank Holiday. Then we were fcuked with people going to the beaches/having street parties throughout May. Then we were fcuked after Phase 1 opened. Then we were especially fcuked after the June Bank Holiday. Even now we’re fcuked with the phases being accelerated.We are in a constant state of fcuked according to some posters.
Dubl07 wrote: » Well, you're not dead yet so we mustn't be in trouble yet. I take it you haven't been in ICU with it, haven't lost a close friend or family member, haven't stood outside a church or cemetery wall because the funeral was limited in numbers? Thousands of people have died. Thousands more have compromised health and many thousands more have been trying to mourn, isolate and protect vulnerable people. If we don't continue to take adequate precautions, all those people will have died, been hurt and mourned in vain. More will just follow in their footsteps so that smartar$es can mock the precautions or do a Boris and shake everyone's hand, damn the consequences. Selfish, ignorant, self-entitled fools that they are.
Darc19 wrote: » Thousands? The news says 1683 and that includes those who "may" have died of covid - someone with a terminal illness with a couple of weeks to live and gets Covid-19 is counted in Irish figures.
It's not a joking matter, but let's put it in perspective. The knowledge is substantially better than 12 weeks ago. The curve was flattened. People are being more conscious in terms of social distancing.
No need to wear masks if moving. It's a placebo in such situation.
In a stationary situation such as a queue in a shop, or on transport, it can provide comfort to some people and anyone who may have respiratory issues should wear one.
But we need less of the schoolyard squeaking and less sensationalist scaremongering. Let's respect those who want to wear a mask and let's respect those who don't.
alentejo wrote: » Really annoyed about Tony Holohan's remarks about masks this evening. One one hand government recommends their use (not wholeheartedly), and leaves it up to the individual with a remark from Leo V not to be judgemental to people who choose not to use them. The whole message from both the government and the WHO about the use of masks during this pandemic has been very unclear. Either make them mandatory or not. Do not be judgemental on their use or non use.
railer201 wrote: The CDC, the ECDC, the WHO, the Czechs. You're not suggesting the aforementioned three organisations don't know what they're talking about by any chance ? - even though it took one of them a while for the penny to drop.
weldoninhio wrote: And yet, without mandatory masks, the numbers continue to plummet. Facts, not feelings.
weldoninhio wrote: » And yet, without mandatory masks, the numbers continue to plummet. Facts, not feelings.
Dubl07 wrote: » I appeal to you, sincerely, inform yourself with an open mind.
Darc19 wrote: » Let's respect those who want to wear a mask and let's respect those who don't.
drunkmonkey wrote: » If the WHO are correct face masks are 100% not required for healthy people or asymptomatic, your not going to pass it to anyone. The whole argument here for masks was to protect other people not yourself if you happen to be asymptomatic. That line of thought is gone out the window now.
Wibbs wrote: » Good luck with that... What this virus has taught us is that people generally tend to fall into a few groups: the be grand type, the bending to authority and follower type, the panic merchant type and the dropped on their head as babies type. Few within each group will accept new information and change their opinions. Which sounds lovely and balanced and accepting(which is all the rage, so called "respect" for the sake of it, with no merit), but completely moronic from the point of view of community spread. Would you say the same in say a care home? No, of course you wouldn't because that would be stupid, but apparently outside of that context the same virus is magically different. Put it another way; would you say the same of vaccination? No of course not, only an idiot anti vaxxer type would. And here follows a perfect example of the lady's not for turning. To the point of incredulity. We appear to have flown back in time by about four months(or more), where asymptomatic spread was seen as low risk. That someone can make such a daft statement today speaks volumes and of nothing good. Like I've noted before, thank christ this dose is/was so mild for the vast majority and only killed who you would expect it to kill and even there it was fatal to a minority. How this has played out across the world and here in Ireland is a concern and should be a warning for the future. If this had come with the fatality rate of something like smallpox and killed a third of infected people of all ages most of the countries of the world would have been utterly screwed and we'd be looking at a societal reset. It shows how vulnerable the modern world and particularly western culture is to remarkably little stress.
McGiver wrote: » The question is what was required to make those numbers "plummet". At the cost of shutting down the whole economy and for a long time. 28% unemployment in May! And 35 billion government debt, austerity and deflationary recession for years to come. Irish death per capita is one of the highest in Europe just below the worst affected countries, around the same as Sweden and Netherlands who didn't shut down their economy. The same goes for cases per capita, way too high. The numbers could have been much better if the government did what Norway, Greece, Czechia did. 1. Close borders. 2. Isolate old, vulnerable, care homes. 3. Universal mandatory mask usage. Much shorter lockdown would be needed and with much better results.
railer201 wrote: » Not quite ! It was reported on RTE 1 news two days ago that the average number of close contacts for new cases of Covid-19 has risen from below 3 to 4 and over. 'Plummet' is a bit OTT, the virus hasn't gone away, and we have to wait for at least 2 weeks for the facts, at any stage, until it does.
weldoninhio wrote: » We were getting hundreds of cases a week or so ago, we are down to low double digits or in yesterdays case single digits. Numbers have plummeted. Facts, not feelings.
drunkmonkey wrote: » Just on a bit of balance there were 43 cases in total when we closed the schools. Yesterdays numbers are the usual weekend low. Today we're probably in the 20/40's again. I don't think we're out of the woods yet.
weldoninhio wrote: » As explained MULTIPLE times in this and various other Coronavirus threads. We DO NOT have weekend lag in Ireland. :rolleyes: Again, facts not feelings.
