Covid19 Part XVIII-25,473 in ROI(1,736 deaths) 5,760 in NI (551 deaths)(30/06)Read OP

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Comparing Ireland, a well developed European country and one of the more affluent in the world with places like Iran, where the medical system is probably using 20 or 30 year old ventilators due to severe US led Sanctions, and little or no PPE for medical staff, along with no restrictions on the large numbers of Chinese who travel to Iran.
And Brazil led by a mad man, 13 million Brazilians live in favelas, often with more than three people per room and little access to clean water. Physical distancing and hygiene recommendations are near impossible to follow in these environments..

Typical straw man , I never said Ireland was comparable to Iran. It was simply a counter to your argument that the virus has naturally disappeared regardless of human intervention , you never said that process was only specific to certain locations, Iran proves that that is not the case that and that a resurgence is possible if restrictions are lifted inefficiently or prematurely even in a country that has experienced large numbers of infections already throughout march April and May.

Anyway you've essentially nullified your own argument. So now you do in fact agree resurgence is possible if *insert excuse of high population density , poor healthcare etc* , perhaps then change your argument to say that you think a secondary wave Isn't possible in Ireland/the west ONLY. Has a bit more credibility then and perhaps it may well turn out to be true, but as I said previously it would be so silly to consider that a guarantee considering there is no proof of that,no precedent, and at least some evidence(Iran ,not comparable to Ireland but it is not nothing) to the contrary.

bb1234567 wrote: »

Typical straw man , I never said Ireland was comparable to Iran. It was simply a counter to your argument that the virus has naturally disappeared from regardless of human intervention , you never said that process was only specific to certain locations, Iran proves that that is not the case that and that a resurgence is possible if restrictions are lifted inefficiently or prematurely even in a country that has experienced large numbers of infections already throughout march April and May.

Anyway you've essentially nullified your own argument. So now you do in fact agree resurgence is possible if *insert excuse of high population density , poor healthcare etc* , perhaps then change your argument to say that you think a secondary wave will not occur in Ireland/the west . Has a bit more credibility then and perhaps it may turn out to be true, but as I said previously it would be so silly to consider that a guarantee.

Covid was at the peak when Ireland introduced the Lockdown. We don't know that the beginning of the Outbreak was March, when it could have present in the population last December.
Yet with retail stores more like operating theatres, and 14 day quarantines for incoming tourists, we're about 5 months too late.

Deleted User wrote: »

Any evidence at all that it was here in December? We do have a peak in influenza like infections from December/ January that coincides with what..an identical peak in confirmed influenza cases, then we have the March peak coinciding with Covid.

We had open borders and 100's of flights from France where the first person infected with Covid19 was said to have happened between 14 and 22 December.

Micky 32 wrote: »

What do you expect when someone starts dictating to others what they should eat.

Most vegans don't tell others what to eat. A handful of activists and interest groups do (similar to Irish Dairy Board, BIM, IFA etc..). They've gained prominence in recent years as veganism has become "trendy". Your bog standard vegan follows a vegan diet and doesn't pontificate.

Deleted User wrote: »

Did it decide to wait 2 months to start killing people

Stupid statement, the virus was an unknown and many deaths which occurred back in the first couple of months of 2020 were most likely recorded as having passed away due to complications from a respiratory illness/Pneumonia and not Covid due to lack of awareness/testing.
Not to mention that many Covid infected are asymptomatic, a lot of cases could have been circulating with people passing it off as a flu and spreading it across Europe and on to the U.S.

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Stupid statement, the virus was an unknown and many deaths which occurred back in the first couple of months of 2020 were most likely recorded as having passed away due to complications from a respiratory illness/Pneumonia and not Covid due to lack of awareness/testing.
Not to mention that many Covid infected are asymptomatic, a lot of cases could have been circulating with people passing it off as a flu and spreading it across Europe and on to the U.S.

https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/seasonal-influenza/surveillance-and-disease-data/flu-news-europe
Have a read through this. Low influenza activity throughout almost all of Europe throughout all of early winter 2020. COVID was not here before late February/early March.

bb1234567 wrote: »

https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/seasonal-influenza/surveillance-and-disease-data/flu-news-europe
Have a read through this. Low influenza activity throughout almost all of Europe throughout all of early winter 2020. COVID was not here before late February/early March.

Without widespread antibody testing of the population your statement isn't a fact. The first case of Covid was recorded as a pulmonary infection.

As this pandemic progresses we will see the factual timeline of the Covid19 virus from China into Europe and the U.S.

Deleted User wrote: »

1 case does not equal widespread transmission. France tested a sample of leftover specimens that tested negative for flu in December / January and found 1 case. Given there was only one it’s far more likely to be an isolated case or even a false positive than evidence of spread in Europe.

Not only this one case. They suspect it also after examining X-rays.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8373559/Coronavirus-Europe-NOVEMBER.html

bb1234567 wrote: »

Right so the antibody tests which demonstrated low prevalence in Europe will not be applicable to Ireland ?

The antibody tests, the low excess deaths in early winter,the low influenza activity in early winter, the high excess deaths in March and April, the simultaneous overrunning of much of European healthcare infrastructure and nursing homes in March , all provide an almost irrefutable argument that the first European outbreak occurred in March.

Due to Chinese state secrecy and delays reporting to the WHO, the first case of Covid19 can be traced back to 17 November 2019.

Anyhow, believe whatever you want to, IRDC, as more and more of the spread of the Covid epidemic is mapped out we may see the first cases a lot earlier than March as you state.

So all the clique on here who are dismissing other posters answer me this.
Do you think we will see a second wave? If not why not?

bb1234567 wrote: »

2/2500 retrospective scans looking for covid may have had symptoms similar to covid.. that does not sound like wildfire spread as some suggest. In fact it would be evidence to the contrary , that such a minuscule number of those presenting to hospital with pneumonia illness were even suspected of being covid related

2 in November, 12 in December and 16 in January

When will we get the % cured / the R rate this week?

Will it all be Thursday?

Deleted User wrote: »

In an environment where Covid is widespread x ray can be a supplementary diagnosis tool, however Covid is not the only mechanism that can cause the type of damage associated with it

https://www.itnonline.com/content/new-research-finds-chest-x-ray-not-reliable-diagnostic-tool-covid-19

It even proves more. Because if there were 30 cases of COVID x-rays, so it could be only a small percentage of really infected.

From your link:
"The radiologists determined the chest x-rays were normal in 58.3% of cases, and normal or only mildly abnormal in 89% of patients."