Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IV - Read OP for Mod Warnings

stephenjmcd · 08-06-2020 05:11PM

Penfailed wrote: »

For every example someone posts on here of people ignoring the 2m rule, I have more examples of people obeying the rule. The local butcher only allows four people in the shop at any time and has markings on the street. Everyone sticks to it. Do you want more?

Couldn't care less about your local butcher, saying what I saw in a large shop in Dublin today when it was the first day that it was actually busy with more people in offices also.

We all see plenty of things, people obeying it and not obeying it. In what I've seen it's more of the not obeying it.

No matter how much people want to think there's large compliance there really isn't.

skelly22 · 08-06-2020 05:12PM

Penfailed wrote: »

There's one thing doing as requested by the government for the betterment of all. There's another thing not liking it and doing whatever you think yourself.
One is being a responsible citizen, the other is being a díck.

I don't consider myself a dick for leaving the game of "Simon Says" a little earlier than others to be fair. I still behave responsibly, keep the 2mtrs when out & about etc. but I won't comply with nonsensical instructions if I can help it. Feel free to do it yourself though.

showpony1 · 08-06-2020 05:16PM

does anyone know if there is any places selling takeaway pints in city centre with an area to stand outside/toilets?
thought i heard of a few places selling cocktails where you could stand outside. Obviously if no toilets be difficult to have few drinks.

quokula · 08-06-2020 05:17PM

skelly22 wrote: »

Nothing to do with conspiracy theories. Not sure where you're getting that from tbh. It won't tie in with the beliefs of those advocating a strict lockdown until we're all dead & buried but that doesn't make it rubbish. Refreshing to hear an alternate view to Simon & Tony.

That site has everything to do with conspiracy theories. Among their other articles are claims that British secret service had MH17 shot down so they could blame it on Russia, Jeffrey Epstein was working for Mossad, man made climate change is a hoax, etc etc

Even if you don't do the slightest amount of due diligence into the reliability of the source, the use of words like "lunacy" and "boneheaded" within the first couple of sentences of the article you linked are pretty strong red flags for it not being a purely unbiased fact based article.

08-06-2020 05:20PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Always wary of anyone pronouncing themselves to be a thinking man. Confirmation bias if ever I saw it. It's not even their own work and the kind of thing that gives the internet a really bad name. Written in that dreadful style of sentences surrounded by quotes it links out all over the place purporting to reach a conclusion they've already formed.

It a tactic they use. Tell people that it’s those who are smart the believe what we say and only the sheeple who believe the other side. Plays into people’s ego, but ends with all sorts of horse****e being spread

is_that_so · 08-06-2020 05:21PM

Deleted User wrote: »

It a tactic they use. Tell people that it’s those who are smart the believe what we say and only the sheeple who believe the other side. Plays into people’s ego, but ends with all sorts of horse****e being spread

The format is bloody awful anyway!

08-06-2020 05:24PM

skelly22 wrote: »

Nothing to do with conspiracy theories. Not sure where you're getting that from tbh. It won't tie in with the beliefs of those advocating a strict lockdown until we're all dead & buried but that doesn't make it rubbish. Refreshing to hear an alternate view to Simon & Tony.

Yep, people are arguing for eternal lockdown. Won’t they be so disappointed that we never even had a “lockdown”.

Word to the wise, just because a site tells you it’s the thinking man news site doesn’t mean it is, and doesn’t mean you should lose all critical thinking ability and take everything they say on face value without applying some due diligence

Cork Boy 53 · 08-06-2020 05:26PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Couldn't care less about your local butcher, saying what I saw in a large shop in Dublin today when it was the first day that it was actually busy with more people in offices also.

We all see plenty of things, people obeying it and not obeying it. In what I've seen it's more of the not obeying it.

No matter how much people want to think there's large compliance there really isn't.

So you are basing this opinion on the evidence of a snapshot in time on a single day in one particular shop? Is that what you`re saying here?

road_high · 08-06-2020 05:30PM

Ivan Yates made the same point as I did earlier- some businesses- you’ve been closed for three months...why the hell aren’t you ready to open up today? Fair enough some were blindsided and need staff training/provision of new measures but you knew for you to 3 months these may be needed. Don’t go whinging to government for support if you couldnt get your arses in gear

stephenjmcd · 08-06-2020 05:31PM

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

So you are basing this opinion on the evidence of a snapshot in time on a single day in one particular shop? Is that what you`re saying here?

No, look back over my previous posts if you want. I've been in and out of Dublin, around various parts of the city & suburbs and in my own locality (not Dublin) and I've seen the same thing over the last 2-3 weeks. Compliance at the start was quite high, now not so much.

Queue outside, inside free for all. So hardly a snapshot in time on a single shop.

But feel free to twist what I'm saying to suit yourself and try to put words in my mouth.

When plenty of other people are also saying they don't see 2m being observed its not an isolated view point. Yes some places are better at enforcing and observing 2m but others aren't

skelly22 · 08-06-2020 05:31PM

quokula wrote: »

That site has everything to do with conspiracy theories. Among their other articles are claims that British secret service had MH17 shot down so they could blame it on Russia, Jeffrey Epstein was working for Mossad, man made climate change is a hoax, etc etc

Even if you don't do the slightest amount of due diligence into the reliability of the source, the use of words like "lunacy" and "boneheaded" within the first couple of sentences of the article you linked are pretty strong red flags for it not being a purely unbiased fact based article.

Not sure about the site, I know nothing about it. I was only referring to this article. I do understand though that if you dare question the lockdown you're immediately derided as either a friend of Gemma or a flat-earther, of which I'm neither.

Penfailed · 08-06-2020 05:37PM

pgj2015 wrote: »

if anyone asks me to wear a mask in their shop, I will go elsewhere. shop owners should be very careful here, it is not a requirement from the government to wear one, so they will risk driving customers away to shop at other shops or online if the shop owners make it a requirement to enter their shop. I think the majority of Irish people don't want to wear masks.

I was asked to wear gloves entering a shop back in March, I just went somewhere else.

That's like cutting off your nose to spite your face...but go ahead.

skelly22 · 08-06-2020 05:39PM

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

Which instructions in particular do you consider as being nonsensical?

The vast majority don't make any sense at this stage. The virus has been suppressed by any measure. Time to move on.

Billgirlylegs · 08-06-2020 05:42PM

Deleted User wrote: »

There is a possibility of a vaccine in 2021, and even then it will likely only be for front line health workers. I would very much doubt that there will be a vaccine for the general population until 2022, and there is a high possibility that there will never be one.

There are promising treatments however, which will give the confidence that the virus can be allowed to run through the population through 2021, with the knowledge that hospital treatment will have better and faster outcomes

someone previously(weeks or months ago) made the point that testing dodgy pharmaceuticals on nurses and doctors might be a wee, tiny bit risky.

Micky 32 · 08-06-2020 05:54PM

Penfailed wrote: »

For every example someone posts on here of people ignoring the 2m rule, I have more examples of people obeying the rule. The local butcher only allows four people in the shop at any time and has markings on the street. Everyone sticks to it. Do you want more?

I have no idea where you live or care but on my travels i drive in excess of 1000km a week and i see more people not obeying the 2m rule than are. I only see people obeying it while queuing up at shops like Dunnes etc. I see people and friends, groups outside walking, talking right next to each other.

Flickerfusion · 08-06-2020 05:55PM

road_high wrote: »

Ivan Yates made the same point as I did earlier- some businesses- you’ve been closed for three months...why the hell aren’t you ready to open up today? Fair enough some were blindsided and need staff training/provision of new measures but you knew for you to 3 months these may be needed. Don’t go whinging to government for support if you couldnt get your arses in gear

I don’t often agree with Ivan Yeats but I think he’s right on this. Businesses have had a road map and weeks and weeks of notice.

Plenty of businesses I’m aware of were using the time to do things like minor renovations (often done by the owners themselves). There’s a great example of a cafe owner in Cork who was documenting it on his twitter feed as he was varnishing floors and preparing the cafe on for the last few weeks and really getting things ready to roll and adapted.

Reopening is no surprise and any well run business should be ready to go now. The government gave huge amounts of detail, literally in flow chart form and it was heavily covered in the media and alerted by all sorts of business organisations too.

08-06-2020 06:06PM

9 cases. At this point we are actively trying to find cases. And some people are still bricking it.

I’d say speed up the reopening even more.

KrustyUCC · 08-06-2020 06:07PM

RTÉ News
@rtenews
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Four more people have died from Covid-19 in Ireland, while there have been nine new confirmed cases, the lowest number since 11 March.

Really positive thankfully

Deeper Blue · 08-06-2020 06:09PM

Open up the hairdressers ta feck

uli84 · 08-06-2020 06:14PM

Ugh it hurts looking at those numbers and seeing my son (and indeed myself!) struggling without school

08-06-2020 06:14PM

Deleted User wrote: »

9 cases. At this point we are actively trying to find cases. And some people are still bricking it.

I’d say speed up the reopening even more.

I was always an advocate for gradual easing of restrictions, until the case numbers slowed to a trickle. A mere nine announced today means Ireland is effectively on the threshold of being Covid-19 free. I wouldn't reduce social distancing below 1.5 metres, otherwise there is little reason to prolong phasing until July 20th. Let's re-open the country for business, allow children to return to school and ease pressure on their parents.

KrustyUCC · 08-06-2020 06:17PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

9 cases. At this point we are actively trying to find cases. And some people are still bricking it.

I’d say speed up the reopening even more.

If we can keep numbers like that then they prob will reopen sooner alright

Only one day's figures but very positive

Tenzor07 · 08-06-2020 06:18PM

Flickerfusion wrote: »

Plenty of businesses I’m aware of were using the time to do things like minor renovations (often done by the owners themselves). There’s a great example of a cafe owner in Cork who was documenting it on his twitter feed as he was varnishing floors and preparing the cafe on for the last few weeks and really getting things ready to roll and adapted.
Reopening is no surprise and any well run business should be ready to go now. The government gave huge amounts of detail, literally in flow chart form and it was heavily covered in the media and alerted by all sorts of business organisations too.

While that all sounds great business owners having 3 months to open... No one knew for sure when or how. We've seen the lockdown being reduced down by one phase, some places which weren't to open until August can now open in July.
Also the fact that smaller business couldn't get staff in as they were on the wage subsidy or PUP, you try adapting a premises with screens, signs, layouts etc. on your own when you don't have clear guidance sent out to you by Hse.Govt.
Not to mention the fact that with the 2m distance a lot of business premises are too small to fit enough customers in to break even and justify rehiring of staff, so they may have planned to stay closed until October.

So as simple as it may seem, not all businesses in Ireland are large multinationals with the resources to switch a company on and off..

Santy2015 · 08-06-2020 06:23PM

They need to wise up big time the scientists!! They all have government jobs!! This isn’t the way to go. How the hell are they thinking like this
https://twitter.com/otuathail/status/1270027750099820552?s=21

Smegging hell · 08-06-2020 06:25PM

https://twitter.com/lilyslynch/status/1269955754972364801

Cork Boy 53 · 08-06-2020 06:28PM

NDWC wrote: »

Open up the hairdressers ta feck

According to some there is a "roaring trade" in black market hairdressing at present. If they are that plentiful I`m sure you will be able to find one if you`re that anxious about your hair.

Cork Boy 53 · 08-06-2020 06:31PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I was always an advocate for gradual easing of restrictions, until the case numbers slowed to a trickle. A mere nine announced today means Ireland is effectively on the threshold of being Covid-19 free. I wouldn't reduce social distancing below 1.5 metres, otherwise there is little reason to prolong phasing until July 20th. Let's re-open the country for business, allow children to return to school and ease pressure on their parents.

Children will not be returning to school until the autumn at the earliest. Simple as that. Accept it.

Flickerfusion · 08-06-2020 06:32PM

Tenzor07 wrote: »

While that all sounds great business owners having 3 months to open... No one knew for sure when or how. We've seen the lockdown being reduced down by one phase, some places which weren't to open until August can now open in July.
Also the fact that smaller business couldn't get staff in as they were on the wage subsidy or PUP, you try adapting a premises with screens, signs, layouts etc. on your own when you don't have clear guidance sent out to you by Hse.Govt.
Not to mention the fact that with the 2m distance a lot of business premises are too small to fit enough customers in to break even and justify rehiring of staff, so they may have planned to stay closed until October.

So as simple as it may seem, not all businesses in Ireland are large multinationals with the resources to switch a company on and off..

Consolidated guidelines:

https://www.nsai.ie/images/uploads/general/NSAI-Guidelines-COVID-19-20200525.pdf

https://www.hsa.ie/eng/news_events_media/news/news_and_articles/nsai_-_covid-19_workplace_protection_and_improvement_guide.pdf

Retail:
https://www.nsai.ie/covid-19retailprotection/

Supports:
https://dbei.gov.ie/en/Publications/Publication-files/Supports-for-businesses-impacted-by-COVID-19.pdf

HSA Templates and check lists:
https://www.hsa.ie/eng/topics/covid-19/return_to_work_safely_templates_and_checklists/return_to_work_safely_templates_and_checklists.html

Local Enteprise Office:

https://www.localenterprise.ie/response

Enterprise Ireland supports:

https://globalambition.ie/covid-19/

Food sector:

Bord Bia: https://www.bordbia.ie/industry/covid-19/

Private Sector Groups:

Retail Excellence Ireland:
https://www.retailexcellence.ie/covid-19/

I would suggest if you are running a small business and you're trying to adapt, the LEO is probably a good place to start looking for assistance and advice.

What the state could do is perhaps consolidate all of this stuff into a single one-stop-shop website as at present it's a bit scattered all over the place.

road_high · 08-06-2020 06:49PM

Santy2015 wrote: »

They need to wise up big time the scientists!! They all have government jobs!! This isn’t the way to go. How the hell are they thinking like this
https://twitter.com/otuathail/status/1270027750099820552?s=21

In other words let’s keep the gravy train going. All these Advisory Group etc mean one thing for this lot- more €€€s. We’ve had far too unbalanced influence in running the past 3 months- equal input from business and work groups are needed for anything like this in the future. You know, the ones who pay these lots wages. Very obvious this person supports a NZ style isolation mode which would absolutely bankrupt us going forward.

alta stare · 08-06-2020 06:51PM

Tony was just handed some water from another person.....i wonder did they wipe down the cups. No gloves on them either. I thought this virus was all around us and is deadly....

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