Covid19 Part XVIII-25,473 in ROI(1,736 deaths) 5,760 in NI (551 deaths)(30/06)Read OP

Boggles · 08-06-2020 06:35PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

There has been a lot of scientific concensus that there's a certain amount of the population who are immune. For example, smokers have had a lot lower infection rate than would be expected.

There has been lots of conjecture, nothing concrete. The smoking thing could well just mean, smokers were more careful because their lungs are fúcked and getting it would be bad for them. It could be 100 different reasons.

In terms of immunity, the vast majority of the planet have none.

That isn't my opinion by the way.

Gael23 · 08-06-2020 06:36PM

Tony says the mission had not been accomplished

Instilling more fear and panic as usual

ACitizenErased · 08-06-2020 06:37PM

Boggles wrote: »

There has been lots of conjecture, nothing concrete. The smoking thing could well just mean, smokers were more careful because their lungs are fúcked and getting it would be bad for them. It could be 100 different reasons.

In terms of immunity, the vast majority of the planet have none.

That isn't my opinion by the way.

https://www.qeios.com/read/WPP19W.4

Scientists believe that the location of T-Cells within smokers is higher up the throat than the normal person due to the smoke inhalation. T-Cells are largely unknown and it is believed the existence of them can actually help fight against COVID.

bb1234567 · 08-06-2020 06:37PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

There has been a lot of scientific concensus that there's a certain amount of the population who are immune. For example, smokers have had a lot lower infection rate than would be expected.

It's unlikely that the proportion of the population who are immune make up a large segment, otherwise this would have acted as a barrier to the rapid exponential growth experienced across the western world in March

Cork Boy 53 · 08-06-2020 06:37PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Don't think I've seen you on this thread before. If you're new, rather than insinuate that our testing system is apparently flawed, you should visit https://www.hse.ie/eng/services/news/newsfeatures/covid19-updates/ and keep up to date on daily testing referrals and swabbing.

As far as I recall I started posting on this thread or its predecessors back in late Feb/early March actually.

Boggles · 08-06-2020 06:37PM

Gael23 wrote: »

Tony says the mission had not been accomplished

Instilling more fear and panic as usual

I don't know if you have been out the past 3 weeks. Maybe not.

I see neither fear nor panic.

I see a populous getting on with it has best they can.

is_that_so · 08-06-2020 06:39PM

Gael23 wrote: »

Tony says the mission had not been accomplished

Instilling more fear and panic as usual

Or just keep it up, what we've been saying!

08-06-2020 06:39PM

We eased too soon. It would be much better to eradicate it in the country and abolish social distancing completely.

petes · 08-06-2020 06:41PM

Deleted User wrote: »

We eased too soon. It would be much better to eradicate it in the country and abolish social distancing completely.

Is there a facepalm emoji on Boards....

PEACEBROTHER · 08-06-2020 06:42PM

First time in ages today - I seen a full game of soccer between young lads 11 v11 On our local pitch

No coaches or anything - was organised by the lads themselves it looked like

Was actually great to see and loads of people had stopped to watch

Hopefully a sign things are coming back to normal

08-06-2020 06:42PM

petes wrote: »

Is there a facepalm emoji on Boards....

Why so?

is_that_so · 08-06-2020 06:43PM

Deleted User wrote: »

We eased too soon. It would be much better to eradicate it in the country and abolish social distancing completely.

What exactly are you seeing that tells you we've eased too soon?

Boggles · 08-06-2020 06:43PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

https://www.qeios.com/read/WPP19W.4

Scientists believe that the location of T-Cells within smokers is higher up the throat than the normal person due to the smoke inhalation. T-Cells are largely unknown and it is believed the existence of them can actually help fight against COVID.

Yeah, I read it before, a lot of leaps of faith and assumptions which they freely admit to.

But they come no where near suggesting smokers are immune from Covid, they aren't.

The vast majority of the planet aren't. But even if they were you need to be hitting at least 60% + for it to matter.

MD1990 · 08-06-2020 06:44PM

Deleted User wrote: »

We eased too soon. It would be much better to eradicate it in the country and abolish social distancing completely.

We would have to allow nobody in to the country from abroad for this to happen

is_that_so · 08-06-2020 06:44PM

petes wrote: »

Is there a facepalm emoji on Boards....

Now, now people are entitled to their point of view!

08-06-2020 06:44PM

is_that_so wrote: »

What exactly are you seeing that tells you we've eased too soon?

People are still getting the virus. An increase in close contact transmission and clusters in households. Stats we saw when it was starting.

Eradicate it completely as in no known cases for a week and you can abolish all social distancing. I dont think we were far off it, it's a pity.

petes · 08-06-2020 06:45PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Why so?

See the next question from is_that_so

What is your reasoning behind saying we've eased restrictions too soon.
Bearing in mind that once it was here in sufficient people eradication was next to impossible.

08-06-2020 06:46PM

MD1990 wrote: »

We would have to allow nobody in to the country from abroad for this to happen

Yes strict rules for people coming into the country. New Zealand have done it.

stephenjmcd · 08-06-2020 06:46PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Yes strict rules for people coming into the country. New Zealand have done it.

Here we go again, been debated here time and time again, we aren't new Zealand, we aren't in the middle of nowhere

08-06-2020 06:47PM

petes wrote: »

See the next question from is_that_so

What is your reasoning behind saying we've eased restrictions too soon.
Bearing in mind that once it was here in sufficient people eradication was next to impossible.

See my answer. Its nonsense that eradication is impossible and I dont think we were far off. Its still possible with social distancing but I think there are too many people who have simply given up. You can even see it going out for a walk, people are not keeping their distance.

Tenzor07 · 08-06-2020 06:47PM

bb1234567 wrote: »

I am honestly shocked that there are people who think the virus naturally disappeared and not for the example the measures in place in shops today which have been described by posters, any used clothing being steamed and isolated for 24 hours, perspex glasses between customers, one way system in shops, jesus christ! The shockingly large number of of ways that society has been completely remodelled in order to prevent spread of the virus is the 'reason'

Of course a Virus needs hosts to survive and to propagate, each time it replicates and moves through a population it gets weaker as more bad copies are made, and also its lethality is reduced.

Unless you're saying that Viruses don't have a standard life-cycle pattern and can solely be stopped by having perspex screens and hand sanitiser?

If so I suggest you look at what happened with the first Coronavirus outbreak in 2003.

Tenzor07 · 08-06-2020 06:49PM

Deleted User wrote: »

See my answer. Its nonsense that eradication is impossible and I dont think we were far off. Its still possible with social distancing but I think there are too many people who have simply given up. You can even see it going out for a walk, people are not keeping their distance.

Well if you look at the first Coronavirus outbreak, eight months after SARS began circulating, it was contained. The virus died out

Cork Boy 53 · 08-06-2020 06:49PM

Deleted User wrote: »

We eased too soon. It would be much better to eradicate it in the country and abolish social distancing completely.

Even if the virus was to be eradicated from Ireland completely, in the absence of any measures it would most likely run rampant again through travellers coming from countries where the virus is still running rampant like what originally happened last Feb/March. Social distancing, mask wearing, hand washing etc. has to continue until such time as an effective vaccine or treatment is developed.

08-06-2020 06:49PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Here we go again, been debated here time and Time again, we aren't new Zealand, we aren't in the middle of nowhere

It was just mentioned that its impossible to eradicate the virus but clearly not. I dont care where they are, what difference does it make? Were not exactly an international hub.

igCorcaigh · 08-06-2020 06:49PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Eradicate it completely as in no known cases for a week

Not sure that's even possible. Has any country achieved it?

stephenjmcd · 08-06-2020 06:52PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

It was just mentioned that its impossible to eradicate the virus but clearly not. I dont care where they are, what difference does it make? Were not exactly an international hub.

Are you really asking the difference between Ireland and New Zealand along with stating we're not an international hub. You must be on a wind up.

There's a difference between being in the middle of nowhere and being in the EU. That's a start.

And yes Ireland is a quite well connected international hub.

igCorcaigh · 08-06-2020 06:53PM

Isn't it odd that we haven't seen increasing case numbers with more social mixing recently?

08-06-2020 06:54PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Are you really asking the difference between Ireland and New Zealand along with stating we're not an international hub. You must be on a wind up.

There's a difference between being in the middle of nowhere and being in the EU.

We have a travel ban it makes no difference where we are.

NH2013 · 08-06-2020 06:56PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Analysis of cases as of midnight Saturday 6th June - 25,198 cases (+22)

Healthcare Workers +16
Clusters +3
Cases associated with clusters +4

Age Range Affected
0-4 +1
5-14 +1
15-24 +5
25-34 +3
35-44 +4
45-54 +3
55-64 +3
65-74 No Change
75-84 +1
85+ No Change

Counties
Dublin +19
Kilkenny +1
Limerick +1
Louth -1
Meath -2
Monaghan +2

Notes:
+ 16 clusters in private households in last week

Good to see the cases predominantly among younger age groups which should translate to much lower/nil death figures over the next 3 weeks hopefully.

bb1234567 · 08-06-2020 06:56PM

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Of course a Virus needs hosts to survive and to propagate, each time it replicates and moves through a population it gets weaker as more bad copies are made, and also its lethality is reduced.

Unless you're saying that Viruses don't have a standard life-cycle pattern and can solely be stopped by having perspex screens and hand sanitiser?

If so I suggest you look at what happened with the first Coronavirus outbreak in 2003.

I am saying as far as we know measures such as that are far more likely to have contributed to the decline either mostly or totally given it is a novel virus with an unknown epidimioligical life cycle. Do you think it is smart to say that it probably disappeared based on an unproven theory rather than measures introduced at the beginning of the outbreak that we know help to prevent transmission of respiratory virus? What kind of message do you think that would send it we stood by that belief?

I hate to bring in worst case scenario examples into these disucssions but statements such as that are just so ignorant and grating. Iran has experienced an epidemic for months now and it finally waned, only now to appear with a great resurgence in cases yet again when measures were totally relaxed. So, no , the virus does not just disappear on it's own, and will obviously not disappear for good unless we maintain a cautious stance. You seriously think this is going to be gone from Brazil in a few weeks left to it's own devices like it did in ireland because of all we have done to stop it, honestly? I think that is insane

Covid19 Part XVIII-25,473 in ROI(1,736 deaths) 5,760 in NI (551 deaths)(30/06)Read OP

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