Masks

Away With The Fairies · 06-06-2020 06:10PM

Yes: valved

Saw alot more older people out today and alot of them wearing masks. One of them made a mask out of a few j-clothes.

You know what the saddest thing is. They are the ones protecting the people who won't wear masks. The very people who will be going out into house parties tonight, the very people who has more of a chance surviving this.

But come on, label me as a negative nelly (again) because I point out the absolute selfishness in people's choice not to wear a mask.

Wibbs · 06-06-2020 06:37PM

Yes: other

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

But come on, label me as a negative nelly (again) because I point out the absolute selfishness in people's choice not to wear a mask.

I realised early on in life that "people" are most usually a mix of self interest, laziness and herd thinking. This virus didn't change that. Big deal, no point flipping out over it, adapt to it. If you feel threatened protect yourself, don't expect the majority to care, or even notice.

seefin · 07-06-2020 10:06AM

Yes: valved

Have a chronically runny nose so wont be able to wear a mask without snot running into my mouth after 5 minutes. Haven't been in shops or anything yet because of this. Surely there's some benefit to wearing a mask covering my mouth only? It will capture coughs and droplets from speaking so better than nothing? Admittedly Id be mortified of people looking pityingly at me thinking i dont know how to wear a mask,.but would get over it if thought was better than nothing

07-06-2020 10:09AM

seefin wrote: »

Have a chronically runny nose so wont be able to wear a mask without snot running into my mouth after 5 minutes. Haven't been in shops or anything yet because of this. Surely there's some benefit to wearing a mask covering my mouth only? It will capture coughs and droplets from speaking so better than nothing? Admittedly Id be mortified of people looking pityingly at me thinking i dont know how to wear a mask,.but would get over it if thought was better than nothing

Just wear one and blow your nose like normal. I don't see how it makes a difference.

seefin · 07-06-2020 10:17AM

Yes: valved

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Just wear one and blow your nose like normal. I don't see how it makes a difference.

Almost vomited

07-06-2020 10:37AM

seefin wrote: »

Almost vomited

?

Put the mask under your chin, blow your nose, put mask back up again.

How do you normally deal with this without a mask?

seefin · 07-06-2020 11:05AM

Yes: valved

[Deleted User] wrote: »

?

Put the mask under your chin, blow your nose, put mask back up again.

How do you normally deal with this without a mask?

Youre not meant to touch masks once on, i thought?

Away With The Fairies · 07-06-2020 11:12AM

Yes: valved

seefin wrote: »

Youre not meant to touch masks once on, i thought?

You're meant to touch them by the earloops. Can you take an anti-histimine for runny nose?

Atlantic Dawn · 07-06-2020 11:16AM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

We're in for a sh!t winter if this still lingers on. Covid19 + colds + flu.

The HSE should release flu death figures since Covid arrived for comparison. Seems to have been lowest rate ever, have not heard of a single death.

weldoninhio · 07-06-2020 11:18AM

No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend

Boggles wrote: »

Yes they have, they have limited passengers to 17 down from 67.

They could do that because passenger numbers were down 90+% because of the restrictions.

They now see that isn't feasible given more volumes of people will need to use the services, so they want face coverings mandatory just like they have done in over 50 countries, the UK being the latest.

Sorry again what is your actual opposition to a very simple device that has been proven to work at this stage without any shadow of a doubt?

You think it makes you look like a wally, it fogs up your glasses, mental health, something, something, something?

They are not valid reasons.

I get 4 buses a day and have done, Monday to Friday, every day, pandemic or no pandemic. There has been no enforcement of social distancing in Dublin Bus from the beginning of this up to now. I’ve tweeted them about there being over 17 people in the upper deck. I can put up copies of tweets and the replies I’ve gotten from them, I can put up copies of emails and copies of the replies I’ve gotten from them. You can check their twitter account and see the hundreds of tweets they’ve gotten from bus users complaining about the lack of social distancing or you can google DublinLive and see pictures of a jam-packed bus.

Away With The Fairies · 07-06-2020 11:19AM

Yes: valved

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

The HSE should release flu death figures since Covid arrived for comparison. Seems to have been lowest rate ever, have not heard of a single death.

Is it because people are catching Covid-19 and dying of that instead?

07-06-2020 11:34AM

seefin wrote: »

Youre not meant to touch masks once on, i thought?

You're wearing a mask to protect others. That nonsense about touching your mask is only a concern for people who not care about that and are only concerned about themselves.

Just use the strings to put them on or take them off. It's incredible how complex and scary the West has made masks in its attempts to avoid using them. It is criminal that this is still be talked about in June.

Seanergy · 07-06-2020 11:41AM

Yes: valved

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

You keep going on about all these false negatives, They are a miniscule percentage. If we adhere to distancing, hand hygiene etc and wear masks, if we wish, then the occurrences of flu should also be contained.

weldoninhio wrote: »

I get 4 buses a day and have done, Monday to Friday, every day, pandemic or no pandemic. There has been no enforcement of social distancing in Dublin Bus from the beginning of this up to now. I’ve tweeted them about there being over 17 people in the upper deck. I can put up copies of tweets and the replies I’ve gotten from them, I can put up copies of emails and copies of the replies I’ve gotten from them. You can check their twitter account and see the hundreds of tweets they’ve gotten from bus users complaining about the lack of social distancing or you can google DublinLive and see pictures of a jam-packed bus.

No thanks, any chance you might have a few video journals of your upper deck adventures aswell, only joking, this is not a bus thread, take it easy on the weetabix!

McGiver · 07-06-2020 12:06PM

No: I don't care enough

Wibbs wrote:

I realised early on in life that "people" are most usually a mix of self interest, laziness and herd thinking. This virus didn't change that.

Being a Czech l always thought the same about the Czechs, Czech people are very individualistic, non-interfering, live and let live attitude, very comfortable in their own home (you could say lazy, I call it 'hobbits') but the experience over there with the massive solidarity and volunteering movement during changed my opinion. I've heard similar positive stories from Spain and even the UK.

Can we say the same about the situation here....what do you think?

Boggles · 07-06-2020 02:02PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

I get 4 buses a day and have done, Monday to Friday, every day, pandemic or no pandemic. There has been no enforcement of social distancing in Dublin Bus from the beginning of this up to now. I’ve tweeted them about there being over 17 people in the upper deck. I can put up copies of tweets and the replies I’ve gotten from them, I can put up copies of emails and copies of the replies I’ve gotten from them. You can check their twitter account and see the hundreds of tweets they’ve gotten from bus users complaining about the lack of social distancing or you can google DublinLive and see pictures of a jam-packed bus.

Jesus, the journalistic equivalent of shít on fire.

I assume this is the hyperbolic article you referenced?

https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/shocking-scenes-show-large-group-18353526

Hardly "shocking", but again one swallow don't make a summer.

Just more of a reason to wear a mask then, innit?

Away With The Fairies · 07-06-2020 02:09PM

Yes: valved

I think Ireland missed the boat on face masks/coverings. We needed face masks at the beginning of all this. We had hundreds of infections per day a couple of weeks ago. And now they are trying to push face masks/coverings with cases around 30.

I understand how this thing spreads and I think we should all be wearing masks with more people out and about now but unless masks are made mandatory, it's just not going to happen now.

Wibbs · 07-06-2020 03:01PM

Yes: other

McGiver wrote: »

Being a Czech l always thought the same about the Czechs, Czech people are very individualistic, non-interfering, live and let live attitude, very comfortable in their own home (you could say lazy, I call it 'hobbits') but the experience over there with the massive solidarity and volunteering movement during changed my opinion. I've heard similar positive stories from Spain and even the UK.

Can we say the same about the situation here....what do you think?

Irish culture as a generalisation loves authority, while thumbing our nose at it behind its back. We're not particularly individualistic, love curtain twitching, while avoiding uncomfortable questions. Our default is "be grand", which can be confused with easy going, live and let live, but our history shows that aforementioned love of authority can trump that. Overall this be grand mindset works really well in times of ease, even economic recession and makes Ireland a great place to live, but it doesn't work well if too much socially changes or in times of acute stress like this current emergency.

A groundswell of support from the ground up as a community is not an Irish trait, regardless of the subject. It almost always comes from the top down. And almost always has. Masks would be the same. Problem is our authority tends to avoid responsibility and passes the buck to our "betters" so they can blame them. Whether that was London, Rome, or in this case the WHO/ECDC. Forget anything approaching independent thought. Like we've seen throughout.

Seanergy · 07-06-2020 06:24PM

Yes: valved

ginoginelli wrote: »

Finally!

Many many months too late, but better late than never.

Holohan and co cannot sit on the fence anymore. Masks need to be mandated in certain settings NOW. To not do so would be deemed reckless and inexcusable given the WHO's new guidelines.

We don't even mandate masks in Irish healthcare settings, never mind for the GP on buses, trains and in supermarkets.

Precautionary principle could have been evoked immediately on back of WHO's new change of advice on masks, but such actions would not be consistent with State's mixed messaging and delayed repsonse approach to handling covid-19.

Seanergy · 07-06-2020 06:30PM

Yes: valved

Anyone here got a microscope or access to one and willing to send me a few close ups of a new Dunnes Stores non woven pollypropalene reusable shopping bag?

They are only a euro, gladly throw you a mask for it, melting and sealing very well so far.

Dubl07 · 07-06-2020 07:14PM

Yes: other

Seanergy wrote: »

Anyone here got a microscope or access to one and willing to send me a few close ups of a new Dunnes Stores non woven pollypropalene reusable shopping bag?

They are only a euro, gladly throw you a mask for it, melting and sealing very well so far.

Oddly enough, I was debating using the O'Briens' bottle carrier bags as one of the three layers in my cotton masks. I'm using another product at the moment.

The Dunnes ones sound acceptable and less of a pfaff.

Seanergy · 08-06-2020 08:55AM

Yes: valved

What happened to operating a delayed response inline with the WHO and the ECDC advice, what's this fence sitting? Are the Irish government finally going to be accountable?

https://twitter.com/NewstalkFM/status/1269898241048481793

mohawk · 08-06-2020 09:10AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

You're wearing a mask to protect others. That nonsense about touching your mask is only a concern for people who not care about that and are only concerned about themselves..

I have seen several times people touching the front of the mask and then touching multiple food items in the supermarket that they don’t buy. They probably don’t even realise they are doing it. That subconscious behaviour doesn’t protect others. By highlighting this behaviour it will make people more self-aware and hopefully get them to stop.

RobbingBandit · 08-06-2020 09:18AM

Yes: valved

Touching the mask and your face and eyes is a hygiene warning in one sense but if you like me are wearing the mask due to underlying health issues then the warnings are to protect against passing germs to vunerable areas such as your eyes

Boggles · 08-06-2020 09:54AM

Seanergy wrote: »

Are the Irish government finally going to be accountable?

Hardly. :pac:

They were told well over a month ago that when restrictions are lifted a feasible transport network would not be possible with social distancing, masks had to be compulsory.

They were told again last week "officially" by the transport companies. It's the most basic of common sense.

Friday they fúcked in the towel, now they are trying to play catch up.

My advice to anyone that uses public transport is to get a few masks if they don't have any, or make their own.

The North are making the decision this week and it seems they will align themselves with England and make them compulsory.

Of course this could have been all decided 2+ months ago like the majority of Europe to give people a chance.

But sure be grand.

weldoninhio · 08-06-2020 09:55AM

No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend

Boggles wrote: »

Hardly. :pac:

They were told well over a month ago that when restrictions are lifted a feasible transport network would not be possible with social distancing, masks had to be compulsory.

They were told again last week "officially" by the transport companies. It's the most basic of common sense.

Friday they fúcked in the towel, now they are trying to play catch up.

My advice to anyone that uses public transport is to get a few masks if they don't have any, or make their own.

The North are making the decision this week and it seems they will align themselves with England and make them compulsory.

Of course this could have been all decided 2+ months ago like the majority of Europe to give people a chance.

But sure be grand.

Going grand so far. No major spikes or clusters from public transport.

Boggles · 08-06-2020 09:57AM

weldoninhio wrote: »

Going grand so far. No major spikes or clusters from public transport.

It takes longer than 57 minutes. :pac:

Seanergy · 08-06-2020 12:03PM

Yes: valved

Boggles wrote: »

Hardly. :pac:

They were told well over a month ago that when restrictions are lifted a feasible transport network would not be possible with social distancing, masks had to be compulsory.

They were told again last week "officially" by the transport companies. It's the most basic of common sense.

Friday they fúcked in the towel, now they are trying to play catch up.

My advice to anyone that uses public transport is to get a few masks if they don't have any, or make their own.

The North are making the decision this week and it seems they will align themselves with England and make them compulsory.

Of course this could have been all decided 2+ months ago like the majority of Europe to give people a chance.

But sure be grand.

You might be recommending facemasks, Harris is not, he wants us all wearing socks and t-shirts as a protection awareness measure. WTF!

Newstalk article this am.

"My absolute appeal to anybody getting on public transport or going into a shop today is to please wear a face covering.

"And I'd point out that the different between a face covering and a face mask [is] you can make a face covering at home with just a t-shirt or socks."

"It provides protection awareness; it's an additional hygiene measure - it's not a magic shield, but there's definitely some benefit in doing it".

Boggles · 08-06-2020 12:26PM

Put a sock in your mouth. - Health Minister.

We are fúcked if this thing comes back in the winter.

dfx- · 08-06-2020 12:38PM

No: other

Seanergy wrote: »

"And I'd point out that the different between a face covering and a face mask [is] you can make a face covering at home with just a t-shirt or socks."

"It provides protection awareness; it's an additional hygiene measure - it's not a magic shield, but there's definitely some benefit in doing it".

This was my point earlier about the term face covering. Could use anything as a face covering, who knows its actual effectiveness.

railer201 · 08-06-2020 01:13PM

Yes: valved

dfx- wrote: »

This was my point earlier about the term face covering. Could use anything as a face covering, who knows its actual effectiveness.

The CDC, the ECDC, the WHO, the Czechs. You're not suggesting the aforementioned three organisations don't know what they're talking about by any chance ? - even though it took one of them a while for the penny to drop.

This thread alone advises on the materials to be used, loads of advice on how to make one, both sewed non-sewed.

In fact this thread is a one stop shop regarding masks, for those who will care to read it from end to end and ignore the anti-mask rubbish posts of course.

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