Peugeot 208e 50kWh

unkel · 08-06-2020 01:34AM

Eh yeah. It would have helped if you clarified that. Most people here on boards.ie are in Ireland with needs that reflect their geo location. How was that not obvious to you?

08-06-2020 01:36AM

You are looking at things in a very insular fashion. No manufacturer is building cars specifically for the Irish Market.

liamog · 08-06-2020 01:41AM

Deleted User wrote: »

You are looking at things in a very insular fashion. No manufacturer is building cars specifically for the Irish Market.

When we evaluate a car here, we tend not to use a 500km one way journey as a benchmark. Cork to Derry is a 488km journey. My guess is that there is a very small number of people who do that. It's far better to buy a car that suits you for 95% of your usage.

Your requirement of 500km with one stop and a small battery is quite frankly ridiculous, either find a model with a bigger battery or put up with the need for multiple stops. Sorry the e208 doesn't seem like the car for you.

08-06-2020 01:45AM

In Ireland I break up my journeys in a similar fashion except the distances aren't as far. After about two hours I want a break so plan to stop in possibly interesting places I haven't seen before along the way.

08-06-2020 01:50AM

liamog wrote: »

Sorry the e208 doesn't seem like the car for you.

...and yet I've been getting by with an EV that has a smaller battery and doesn't charge as quickly already.
The most important thing is range on a full battery, fast charging is secondary yet some posters here keep shouting that fast charging is the be all and end all.
Good night.

liamog · 08-06-2020 02:22AM

Deleted User wrote: »

...and yet I've been getting by with an EV that has a smaller battery and doesn't charge as quickly already

You left out the important part in that quote, I'll repeat the line for your benefit

Your requirement of 500km with one stop and a small battery is quite frankly ridiculous, either find a model with a bigger battery or put up with the need for multiple stops. Sorry the e208 doesn't seem like the car for you.

08-06-2020 09:03AM

You introduced the figure of 500km. I didn't. I mentioned 400km.
You are changing the parameters of this discussion to suit yourself.

liamog · 08-06-2020 11:06AM

I ran Karlsruhe to Brussels through abetterrouteplanner using the eNiro and an e208.
e-Niro took 2 stops (26+17) for 489km, the e208 3 stops and 504km.

You can make the e-Niro do it in one stop by charging for an hour at the Ionity just south of Niederzissen.

Look the car either works for you or it doesn't, but throwing hypothetical long journeys at it is forcing a use case that is not ideal.
You'll tend to find recommendations on whether an EV is suitable on this forum turn into: buy one if that type of journey is only a couple of times a year, but if it's closer to once a month then it's probably too early.

08-06-2020 11:10AM

I'd choose the e-Niro for the simple reason, more range and much faster and a larger car.
130 Hp vs 200 ? no brainer.

Lumen · 08-06-2020 11:23AM

Not sure it has been mentioned yet, but the e208 charges fast at low SoC but throttles hard at 48% (IIRC from the Nyland 1000km video). This means that in terms of long journeys it is ideally suited to areas that have relatively frequent high speed chargers.

If you can time it right this would mean getting another 100km of motorway range in maybe 20 mins, extend the usable motorway range from ~200km to 300km, which somewhat compensates for the thirst and smallish battery.

Though I think if I was going to do a lot of high speed driving I'd probably get a DS3 instead for the extra waftiness (Nyland described it as a French e-tron). I'd expect it probably does better over speed bumps too.

unkel · 08-06-2020 11:37AM

Lumen wrote: »

Not sure it has been mentioned yet

Yes it has. Will people look at that bloody clip I posted (post #194), Nyland has done all the hard work here showing exactly how the car charges and how that compares to some of the competition

unkel wrote: »

It starts throttling very quickly. You only get the 100kW for a very short while. Still it charges better than any other EV for that sort of money. Which is a bit pathetic (2C for just a very short while) in 2020 while cars like Ioniq could do close to 3C prolonged back in 2016

Here is a recent video from Nyland that shows the throttling (compared with other EVs in class). Starting at near 100kW but already down to just 76kW at just 20% SOC :rolleyes: it keeps that up for a while but then throttles further down to just 52kW at 48% SOC

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzkiAAOlyUs

ELM327 · 08-06-2020 11:44AM

The recent 1000km challenge video he posted shows exactly how to take a long trip in the fastest way.

For me, I prefer longer stops less frequently.

08-06-2020 12:56PM

Now charge a cold 208 battery and see what happens.

It used to take me around 50 mins to get from 20-85% in a 24 kWh leaf with a not so warm battery.

Pity the 208 is so slow. That’s really bad in this day and age especially since electrics run out at puff at higher speeds.

liamog · 08-06-2020 01:21PM

It maintains 125A up to 70%, it will probably be winter before we see how the cold affects it. The newer battery chemistries have sacrificed power density to reduce cost and increase energy density. I think it's one of the downsides of reducing the levels of Cobalt.

ELM327 · 08-06-2020 01:43PM

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Now charge a cold 208 battery and see what happens.

It used to take me around 50 mins to get from 20-85% in a 24 kWh leaf with a not so warm battery.

Pity the 208 is so slow. That’s really bad in this day and age especially since electrics run out at puff at higher speeds.

I remember those days too.
I did a ~90km motorway trip and arrived with 10% (so ideal for charging) but it took nearly 1 hour to reach the 88% I needed to the next one.

unkel · 08-06-2020 01:53PM

Half that time and good for double the distance in Ioniq

08-06-2020 02:55PM

liamog wrote: »

I ran Karlsruhe to Brussels through abetterrouteplanner using the eNiro and an e208.
e-Niro took 2 stops (26+17) for 489km, the e208 3 stops and 504km.

You can make the e-Niro do it in one stop by charging for an hour at the Ionity just south of Niederzissen.

Look the car either works for you or it doesn't, but throwing hypothetical long journeys at it is forcing a use case that is not ideal.
You'll tend to find recommendations on whether an EV is suitable on this forum turn into: buy one if that type of journey is only a couple of times a year, but if it's closer to once a month then it's probably too early.

My max and probable spend will be approx. 47k retail including tax. Hopefully there will be an El Born FR or Highline ID3 that suits me at that price but the e208 is very attractive because in GT trim it is spec'd perfectly for me.

Miscreant · 08-06-2020 04:05PM

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My max and probable spend will be approx. 47k retail including tax. Hopefully there will be an El Born FR or Highline ID3 that suits me at that price but the e208 is very attractive because in GT trim it is spec'd perfectly for me.

Or, if 400km trips are regular enough, you could get a Tesla Model 3 for mid €40k in Germany.

08-06-2020 04:41PM

Not available to me and won't be available so long as there is no maintenance outlet is the locality.

08-06-2020 05:18PM

Do they plan a e208 with a bit of power ?

liamog · 08-06-2020 05:23PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Do they plan a e208 with a bit of power ?

Supposedly though I'm not sure on the timelines

https://www.carmagazine.co.uk/spy-shots/peugeot/peugeot-e-208-sport/

08-06-2020 05:44PM

liamog wrote: »

Supposedly though I'm not sure on the timelines

https://www.carmagazine.co.uk/spy-shots/peugeot/peugeot-e-208-sport/

That’s pretty meh.

unkel · 29-06-2020 12:53PM

Nobby on cars review posted today:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14bG66V4zmo

Mark Hamill · 08-07-2020 08:06PM

I got a red one!

Been driving it since last Friday. Coming from an 07 Honda Fit, it is a massive step up in comfort and smooth driving. At the moment it looks like maybe I can stretch two days between charges for me (I live in Navan and work in Walkinstown, thats 60km each way so 240 total), but supposedly it will improve a bit as I drive it more. I'm happy with it though. Zappi home charger files it up in a few hours (have a night meter due to be installed in the next day or two).

unkel · 08-07-2020 08:08PM

Well wear! The red suits the sporty looks.

JPA · 08-07-2020 08:51PM

Mark Hamill wrote: »

I got a red one!

Been driving it since last Friday. Coming from an 07 Honda Fit, it is a massive step up in comfort and smooth driving. At the moment it looks like maybe I can stretch two days between charges for me (I live in Navan and work in Walkinstown, thats 60km each way so 240 total), but supposedly it will improve a bit as I drive it more. I'm happy with it though. Zappi home charger files it up in a few hours (have a night meter due to be installed in the next day or two).

Best of luck with it but that bolded part won't happen unless you mean your driving style will adapt.

Mark Hamill · 09-07-2020 09:27AM

JPA wrote: »

Best of luck with it but that bolded part won't happen unless you mean your driving style will adapt.

Yeah, at first I thought it did mean that the battery runs better as it settles in, but I do realise that it just means the range will become more accurate on the dash. My driving has changed a bit in the past week, so hopefully I can continue to drive it better and get as long a range as possible.

Mark Hamill · 09-07-2020 09:29AM

I can drive it in D gear which is just regular drive, or I can drive it in B gear which has regenerative braking, which helps recharge the battery. Is there a reason to not always drive in B gear? Is regenerative braking hard on the brakes or something?

Mickeroo · 09-07-2020 09:30AM

Mark Hamill wrote: »

Yeah, at first I thought it did mean that the battery runs better as it settles in, but I do realise that it just means the range will become more accurate on the dash. My driving has changed a bit in the past week, so hopefully I can continue to drive it better and get as long a range as possible.

Also be prepared for it to have less range come winter time.

slave1 · 09-07-2020 09:40AM

Mark Hamill wrote: »

I can drive it in D gear which is just regular drive, or I can drive it in B gear which has regenerative braking, which helps recharge the battery. Is there a reason to not always drive in B gear? Is regenerative braking hard on the brakes or something?

Generalisation, but for me then B around town as never really get going and lots slowing/stopping for traffic, lights etc. On the open road then D as you do not want to be slowing the car down too much only to have to accelerate a few moments later

Peugeot 208e 50kWh

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