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Madeleine McCann

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  • #6182
    roofer1988
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 84 ✭✭roofer1988


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    limnam wrote: »
    You're not my spokesperson. So please don't claim to be.

    Who are you a spokes person for the portuguese police, just like them your throwing out bits of evidence and your suspicions. The way you talking you could reconstruct the whole thing from the day they landed in Portugal


  • #6183
    roofer1988
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 84 ✭✭roofer1988


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    TheW1zard wrote: »
    Whats the evidence that they didn't do it?

    No evidence they did it for sure,no evidence they didnt do it. Truth is, a very very small number of people know what happened for sure. I doubt anyone here knows, except maybe Limnam


  • #6184
    nc6000
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,426 ✭✭✭nc6000


    The parents did it
    I see a few recent posts suggesting it was the parents. What exactly do you think the parents did?


  • #6185
    limnam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,345 ✭✭✭limnam


    nc6000 wrote: »
    I see a few recent posts suggesting it was the parents. What exactly do you think the parents did?


    Who suggested this?


  • #6186
    nc6000
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,426 ✭✭✭nc6000


    The parents did it
    limnam wrote: »
    Who suggested this?

    Maybe I should have said suggestions the parents wouldn't cooperate with the police or aren't really interested in finding out what happened.

    I'm interested when people question the parents behaviour during the investigation what exactly do they think happened?


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  • #6187
    the_pen_turner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,694 ✭✭✭the_pen_turner


    Something Else
    roofer1988 wrote: »
    No evidence they did it for sure,no evidence they didnt do it. Truth is, a very very small number of people know what happened for sure. I doubt anyone here knows, except maybe Limnam

    the ironic thing about this si that the people claiming to know what happened are the ones saying the parents did nothing and are not responsible. most people are not claiming either way but following the facts of the case.


  • #6188
    cnocbui
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,094 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    limnam wrote: »
    Who suggested this?

    Irish 'cute', at it's best.


  • #6189
    limnam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,345 ✭✭✭limnam


    nc6000 wrote: »
    Maybe I should have said suggestions the parents wouldn't cooperate with the police or aren't really interested in finding out what happened.

    I'm interested when people question the parents behaviour during the investigation what exactly do they think happened?


    Why do we have to have a theory.


    This thread is for discussing all aspects of the case.



    I would have thought a mother of a child not co-operating with a police investigation as a suspect in the case was a fairly important detail in the case.


    *shrug*


  • #6190
    limnam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,345 ✭✭✭limnam


    the_pen_turner wrote: »
    the ironic thing about this si that the people claiming to know what happened are the ones saying the parents did nothing and are not responsible. most people are not claiming either way but following the facts of the case.


    Yeah I've said this many times it's bizzare.


    We're here very open minded on all possibilities.


    Others only want to hear ones not involving the parents.


    Very strange


  • #6191
    cosanostra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 886 ✭✭✭cosanostra


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    My view on Madeleines Parents has changed over the years, initially i was 100% of the view that they killed her and hid the body however I started to wonder how they could get so many others to help in the coverup it just didn't seem possible. Then what about the dogs, blood in the room etc this all pointed to the parents but looking into that it wasnt really fact people were only spreading it as fact online. Overwhelmingly the thing that convinced me most of the parents guilt was their public image it just screamed that they were hiding something and they came over as lacking in emotion and had guilt written all over them, I think their use of a PR team caused this image, they weren't acting naturally, their every move was choreographed and created this false image that stopped them showing their true emotion.

    My belief now is that Madeleine was taking by either a robbery that went wrong or kidnapped by a pedo ring! I still believe the parents are guilty of neglect and probably lied about going back to check as often as they did but are that far into that lie they cant retract it, it was probably insignificant when they first said it but they have to stick with that story now.

    Its a bit like the tree falling in a forest if no ones there to witness it does it make a sound, we are basing what happened here on what was seen plenty could have happened that no one saw but would explain everything.


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  • #6192
    limnam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,345 ✭✭✭limnam


    cosanostra wrote: »
    My view on Madeleines Parents has changed over the years


    The case has no many oddities it's hard not to.


    I remember when Murat looked so wrong and the press practically hung him.


    This level of excitement has happened a few times previously with "major" developments only to lead to nothing.


  • #6193
    Rock77
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,123 ✭✭✭Rock77


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    No no no.... there’s a couple of posts in here now suggesting the people that think the parents had nothing to do with it have tunnel vision and others are open minded, this is completely wrong.

    In the past few days the police have come out and said we suspect this German Pedophile who was in the area at the time and are looking into him, some posters on here have totally dismissed him straight away and have taken every opportunity to throw out half stories to imply the parents did it.. that doesn’t seem very open minded to me.

    And before anyone says that they already looked at the German guy or all he did was drunkenly tell someone he knew what happened, the police obviously suspect him again but you are saying you know better.


  • #6194
    limnam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,345 ✭✭✭limnam


    Rock77 wrote: »
    No no no.... there’s a couple of posts in here now suggesting the people that think the parents had nothing to do with it have tunnel vision and others are open minded, this is completely wrong.

    In the past few days the police have come out and said we suspect this German Pedophile who was in the area at the time and are looking into him, some posters on here have totally dismissed him straight away and have taken every opportunity to throw out half stories to imply the parents did it.. that doesn’t seem very open minded to me.

    And before anyone says that they already looked at the German guy or all he did was drunkenly tell someone he knew what happened, the police obviously suspect him again but you are saying you know better.


    He was suspected in 2007, cleared in 2008


    Forensics on the van all clear.


    He was past to the British police in 2012, they didn't ask the Portuguese police for anything and sat on it for 7 years.


    Some guy dribbles in a pub and we're supposed to talk about nothing else bar this.


    Come off it.


  • #6195
    Rock77
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,123 ✭✭✭Rock77


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    limnam wrote: »
    He was suspected in 2007, cleared in 2008


    Forensics on the van all clear.


    He was past to the British police in 2012, they didn't ask the Portuguese police for anything and sat on it for 7 years.


    Some guy dribbles in a pub and we're supposed to talk about nothing else bar this.


    Come off it.

    You can talk about whatever you like, but it’s going to be pointed out to you that you are saying you know better than the police who are investigating this.

    The police said just days ago that they suspect this guy and you have just totally dismissed him in three sentences yet you think you think you are being open minded?


  • #6196
    limnam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,345 ✭✭✭limnam


    Rock77 wrote: »
    You can talk about whatever you like, but it’s going to be pointed out to you that you are saying you know better than the police who are investigating this.

    The police said just days ago that they suspect this guy and you have just totally dismissed him in three sentences yet you think you think you are being open minded?


    I don't know better


    Currently, there's nothing in the public domain to link him.


    The Germans have asked for the help of the public to provide them with evidence.



    So everything we do know is. He was cleared. Van was cleared. Some drunk guy said X


    Based on what we know publicly. Nothing to see here.


  • #6197
    mosii
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 332 ✭✭mosii


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    If its not him,its highly likely its some one like him.An opportunist paedophile ,who abducted an innocent child.A blind man could see that the parents didnt do this in my opinion.They might have dosed them up to let them sleep ,while they were having a night out,but thats about the worst they done,in my opinion.


  • #6198
    limnam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,345 ✭✭✭limnam


    mosii wrote: »
    They might have dosed them up to let them sleep ,while they were having a night out,but thats about the worst they done,in my opinion.


    God, If that's all they did. Pretty horrific.


  • #6199
    mosii
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 332 ✭✭mosii


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    limnam wrote: »
    God, If that's all they did. Pretty horrific.

    About 35 years ago,i was overseas in a mid.Eastern country,a guy admitted to rapeing a 3 year old Girl. (after he was caught)he was brought out the back of his house ,and shot in the head.true story. These people will have to be punished severely,its the only way,as there is no curing them of their sickness,deep down they think the children love them.


  • #6200
    Rock77
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,123 ✭✭✭Rock77


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    limnam wrote: »
    I don't know better


    Currently, there's nothing in the public domain to link him.


    The Germans have asked for the help of the public to provide them with evidence.



    So everything we do know is. He was cleared. Van was cleared. Some drunk guy said X


    Based on what we know publicly. Nothing to see here.

    Everything we know is the guy is a suspect as the police stated this only days ago.

    The parents were suspects a long time ago and the police couldn’t find sufficient evidence to charge them with anything.

    You have said he was cleared, but you have never said the parents were cleared, why is this?


  • #6201
    dark crystal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,962 ✭✭✭✭dark crystal


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    limnam wrote: »
    Yeah I've said this many times it's bizzare.


    We're here very open minded on all possibilities.


    Others only want to hear ones not involving the parents.


    Very strange
    limnam wrote: »
    He was suspected in 2007, cleared in 2008


    Forensics on the van all clear.


    He was past to the British police in 2012, they didn't ask the Portuguese police for anything and sat on it for 7 years.


    Some guy dribbles in a pub and we're supposed to talk about nothing else bar this.


    Come off it.


    :pac::pac:


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  • #6202
    limnam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,345 ✭✭✭limnam


    Rock77 wrote: »
    You have said he was cleared, but you have never said the parents were cleared, why is this?


    I'm not sure the Portuguese police did clear them.



    If the suspect status had to be lifted based on the amount of time after fleeing the country etc


    Happy for you to clear it up though


  • #6203
    limnam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,345 ✭✭✭limnam


    dark crystal wrote: »
    :pac::pac:


    Do you have other evidence you want to bring how he's connected?


    All ears


  • #6204
    dark crystal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,962 ✭✭✭✭dark crystal


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    limnam wrote: »


    So everything we do know is. He was cleared. Van was cleared. Some drunk guy said X


    Based on what we know publicly. Nothing to see here.

    limnam wrote: »
    Do you have other evidence you want to bring how he's connected?


    All ears

    Nope, that's up to the police. Just pointing out how 'open minded' you are is all :)


  • #6205
    the_pen_turner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,694 ✭✭✭the_pen_turner


    Something Else
    limnam wrote: »
    I'm not sure the Portuguese police did clear them.



    If the suspect status had to be lifted based on the amount of time after fleeing the country etc


    Happy for you to clear it up though

    as of right now they are still suspects. its only in the last week or so that another suspect has entered the scene (publically at least)


  • #6206
    limnam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,345 ✭✭✭limnam


    dark crystal wrote: »
    Nope, that's up to the police. Just pointing out how 'open minded' you are is all :)


    100%


    :)


  • #6207
    limnam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,345 ✭✭✭limnam


    the_pen_turner wrote: »
    as of right now they are still suspects. its only in the last week or so that another suspect has entered the scene (publically at least)


    Oh OK. So They're as much suspects as Mr. B


    Interesting


  • #6208
    dark crystal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,962 ✭✭✭✭dark crystal


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    limnam wrote: »
    I'm not sure the Portuguese police did clear them.



    If the suspect status had to be lifted based on the amount of time after fleeing the country etc


    Happy for you to clear it up though

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2008/jul/21/madeleinemccann.internationalcrime

    From Wikipedia:

    "On 21 July 2008 the Portuguese Attorney General, Fernando José Pinto Monteiro, announced that there was no evidence to link the McCanns or Robert Murat to the disappearance. Their arguido status was lifted and the case was closed.[7][8] On 4 August Portugal's Ministério Público released 17 case files containing 11,233 pages on CD-ROM to the media, including 2,550 pages of sightings.[190][f] The files included a 58-page prosecutors' report, which concluded: "No element of proof whatsoever was found which allows us to form any lucid, sensible, serious and honest conclusion about the circumstances."


  • #6209
    dark crystal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,962 ✭✭✭✭dark crystal


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    the_pen_turner wrote: »
    as of right now they are still suspects. its only in the last week or so that another suspect has entered the scene (publically at least)

    Sorry, what?

    By whom?


  • #6210
    the_pen_turner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,694 ✭✭✭the_pen_turner


    Something Else
    dark crystal wrote: »
    Sorry, what?

    By whom?

    they have to be suspects in any investigation.
    why wouldnt they . all their behaviour and suspicious actions make them suspects.


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  • #6211
    the_pen_turner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,694 ✭✭✭the_pen_turner


    Something Else
    limnam wrote: »
    Oh OK. So They're as much suspects as Mr. B


    Interesting

    there is a lot of circumstansial things about him but he has to be a suspect. doesnt make him guilty . nor does it make the eparents


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