Is it just me or have SF vanished?

James Brown · 04-06-2020 05:45PM

blanch152 wrote: »

They were the government, they introduced the motion, they voted in favour of it, which bit of leading the charge did they not do?

When did Varadkar say that Northern Ireland was "overseas"?

Finally, what are Sinn Fein doing up North to change it back and improve things? A big fat zero is the answer to that question.

'leading the charge' colours it like they pushed for it the most when it looks like a decision both they and the DUP came to grudgingly.

Varadkar apologises for Belfast 'overseas' comment
https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/varadkar-apologises-for-belfast-overseas-comment-and-hits-out-at-sinn-fein-on-incorrect-terminology-39196129.html

I don't follow the intricacies of Stormount, but I doubt it's a big fat zero. Either way, for reasons explained, it has little to no bearing on the south.

McMurphy · 04-06-2020 06:00PM

blanch152 wrote: »

They were the government, they introduced the motion, they voted in favour of it, which bit of leading the charge did they not do?

When did Varadkar say that Northern Ireland was "overseas"?

Finally, what are Sinn Fein doing up North to change it back and improve things? A big fat zero is the answer to that question.

Come off it, not a chance in hell you weren't aware of that balls up blanch. :pac:

maccored · 04-06-2020 06:30PM

blanch152 wrote: »

I think it is important from his perspective to highlight how well we treat our people compared to the government (or lack of) in the North.

It must be remembered that Sinn Fein led the charge to hand responsibility for social welfare in the North back to Westminister.

you need to understand the two setups are distinctly different. no amount of Leo whinging will change this and its also something pointed out to you on numerous occasions which you fail to address.

I'll ask you - how do you see it a fair comparison?

jm08 · 04-06-2020 07:45PM

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Doherty is a well meaning sort, but he wouldn’t be the sharpest knife in the block. Seems to mistake bluster and fake outrage for political insight.

Another 4.1 billion to extend the Covid payment to the end of the year. Where’s the money going to come from?

What a nonsense comment. Doherty really took on and exposed the insurance industry for the crowd of cowboys they are and sponsored a very fine piece of legislation that passed through the Dail at the end of last year.

Poor_old_gill · 04-06-2020 10:51PM

David Cullinane on TV3:

"So David, whats your opinion on this?"

"Well the government is wrong, everything is wrong"

An absolute charlatan with no experience of ever having to actually make a decision but a hindsight hero

McMurphy · 05-06-2020 07:32AM

Poor_old_gill wrote: »

David Cullinane on TV3:

"So David, whats your opinion on this?"

"Well the government is wrong, everything is wrong"

An absolute charlatan with no experience of ever having to actually make a decision but a hindsight hero

Any chance of a bit more context, or did you purposely leave the pertinent pieces of information out?

For those of us who did not see it, what was the "this" that Cullinane was asked his opinion on?

markodaly · 05-06-2020 10:46AM

McMurphy wrote: »

Any chance of a bit more context, or did you purposely leave the pertinent pieces of information out?

For those of us who did not see it, what was the "this" that Cullinane was asked his opinion on?

I think the point was that it didn't matter what 'this' was, as the mantra is now, everything is wrong, regardless. Populist Trumpian blather.

blanch152 · 05-06-2020 11:09AM

McMurphy wrote: »

Any chance of a bit more context, or did you purposely leave the pertinent pieces of information out?

For those of us who did not see it, what was the "this" that Cullinane was asked his opinion on?

Cullinane has made a career out of being agin everything on the PAC, getting applause from the ditch.

Poor_old_gill · 05-06-2020 12:17PM

McMurphy wrote: »

Any chance of a bit more context, or did you purposely leave the pertinent pieces of information out?

For those of us who did not see it, what was the "this" that Cullinane was asked his opinion on?

The reopening of the economy
the decision to reduce the covid payment scheme for non full time workers
the governments overall reaction to the crisis
the government's decision to make private hospitals public and how this was handled

As I said - a lot of things.
Watch it back on the player if you have the time.

All the things that the government was getting praise for - SF were going to do and all the things the Gov was getting criticised for - SF would have done differently.

It's almost like David Cullinane knows all & sees all - unfortunately only ever after the fact

Bishop of hope · 05-06-2020 06:08PM

Poor_old_gill wrote: »

The reopening of the economy
the decision to reduce the covid payment scheme for non full time workers
the governments overall reaction to the crisis
the government's decision to make private hospitals public and how this was handled

As I said - a lot of things.
Watch it back on the player if you have the time.

All the things that the government was getting praise for - SF were going to do and all the things the Gov was getting criticised for - SF would have done differently.

It's almost like David Cullinane knows all & sees all - unfortunately only ever after the fact

A bit like a Francie fella I know of!

Dank Janniels · 05-06-2020 07:47PM

I ask this question every month but any sign of a SF government yet?

Bishop of hope · 05-06-2020 07:52PM

Dank Janniels wrote: »

I ask this question every month but any sign of a SF government yet?

MaryLou was on the, six o clock news, she's very happy with the way the covid crisis was handled and is going, a ringing endorsement of how, the Govt have handled it really.
A niggle about the payments, but apart from that it sounded like she's happy with FG to continue on, at least that's what it sounded like to me anyway.

Mortelaro · 05-06-2020 08:26PM

Have a lovely weekend folks

https://twitter.com/unakavanagh/status/1265938144207175680?s=09

FrancieBrady · 05-06-2020 09:23PM

Poor_old_gill wrote: »

The reopening of the economy
the decision to reduce the covid payment scheme for non full time workers
the governments overall reaction to the crisis
the government's decision to make private hospitals public and how this was handled

As I said - a lot of things.
Watch it back on the player if you have the time.

All the things that the government was getting praise for - SF were going to do and all the things the Gov was getting criticised for - SF would have done differently.

It's almost like David Cullinane knows all & sees all - unfortunately only ever after the fact

Poor auld FG, rattled because an opposition TD says nasty things about them.

James Brown · 05-06-2020 10:35PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Poor auld FG, rattled because an opposition TD says nasty things about them.

Sure all you have to do is ask them a question and they get all narky.

Bishop of hope · 05-06-2020 11:44PM

Could be a row between the norths health minister and ours.
Murphy claims there was a joint order put in for ppe and Harris says he knows of no such order.
Now we all know Harris doesent remember all correspondence.
https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus/conor-murphy-faces-dup-demand-for-all-emails-on-failed-ppe-joint-order-39264020.html

blanch152 · 05-06-2020 11:58PM

Bishop of hope wrote: »

Could be a row between the norths health minister and ours.
Murphy claims there was a joint order put in for ppe and Harris says he knows of no such order.
Now we all know Harris doesent remember all correspondence.
https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus/conor-murphy-faces-dup-demand-for-all-emails-on-failed-ppe-joint-order-39264020.html

Seems like Conor Murphy dropped the ball badly.

06-06-2020 12:03AM

Surely easy enough to straighten out the details?

There'll be contracts & paperwork etc etc if there was a joint order. Or emails if it was discussed.

JohnnyFlash · 06-06-2020 12:06AM

blanch152 wrote: »

Seems like Conor Murphy dropped the ball badly.

Time to give Howell, Adams, and the lads a call.

blanch152 · 06-06-2020 12:08AM

Topgear on Dave wrote: »

Surely easy enough to straighten out the details?

There'll be contracts & paperwork etc etc if there was a joint order. Or emails if it was discussed.

Not if young Conor was spoofing.

markodaly · 06-06-2020 02:17AM

Poor_old_gill wrote: »

It's almost like David Cullinane knows all & sees all - unfortunately only ever after the fact

The retort to any bull$hit mouthed off by SF is this, if you know all the answers, then why did you did you not do these things in the North where you are in government.

markodaly · 06-06-2020 02:22AM

Im sure our perpetual SF advocates who just want to keep our government in 'check' will want Mr Murphy MLA to clear up this confusion once and for all.

The DUP is demanding that Conor Murphy release all correspondence relating to a PPE joint order with Dublin that the Republic's Health Minister says was never placed.

Or maybe we will expect something like this.

Bishop of hope · 06-06-2020 08:46AM

blanch152 wrote: »

Not if young Conor was spoofing.

Well for the last while the lads on here have been saying SF couldn't be held responsible for how the virus was handled north of the border, but if it turns out the health minister was responsible for ppe procurment and was fibbing about orders then that would be a serious matter.
He obviously had some control of the budget at least, if not the actual policies.

Hubertj · 06-06-2020 08:54AM

markodaly wrote: »

Im sure our perpetual SF advocates who just want to keep our government in 'check' will want Mr Murphy MLA to clear up this confusion once and for all.

Or maybe we will expect something like this.

I thought the joint order for PPE meant that SF “supporters” would steal it south of the border and deliver up north.

Bishop of hope · 06-06-2020 09:17AM

Hubertj wrote: »

I thought the joint order for PPE meant that SF “supporters” would steal it south of the border and deliver up north.

That's where all the toilet roll went;)

FrancieBrady · 06-06-2020 10:02AM

markodaly wrote: »

Im sure our perpetual SF advocates who just want to keep our government in 'check' will want Mr Murphy MLA to clear up this confusion once and for all.

Or maybe we will expect something like this.

I thought this had been cleared up at committee already with the UUP and others happy.

Hard to know if it is the just DUP acting the maggot again.

06-06-2020 10:11AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I thought this had been cleared up at committee already with the UUP and others happy.

Hard to know if it is the just DUP acting the maggot again.

Would you agree that there should be full transparency on this and all emails should be handed over?

FrancieBrady · 06-06-2020 10:19AM

jh79 wrote: »

Would you agree that there should be full transparency on this and all emails should be handed over?

Absolutely...but I thought everyone was happy when the executive committee sat to inquire.

06-06-2020 10:23AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Absolutely...but I thought everyone was happy when the executive committee sat to inquire.

I think the issue is that Murphy claimed the deal was hijacked by India and the US but it now seems the order never existed in the first place.

FrancieBrady · 06-06-2020 10:30AM

jh79 wrote: »

I think the issue is that Murphy claimed the deal was hijacked by India and the US but it now seems the order never existed in the first place.

Did he not tell the inquiry that? That the order could not be completed?

If Harris says that he was 'not aware of an order' he would be right...because it was 'never completed'.

Mr Murphy on March 27th said a “very significant” PPE order from China had been jointly placed with the Irish Government. However, he clarified last Friday that it had been “agreed that orders would be placed through North-South collaboration” on March 27th but that the presence of major players in the market such as the US and India had meant the order could not be completed.

Is it just me or have SF vanished?

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