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Is it just me or have SF vanished?

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  • #5822
    christy c
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,226 ✭✭✭christy c


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    I fancy FG have learnt very little from the election as they sent O'Donovan out to debate with Pearse Doherty this AM...if they do that much more, the Shinners will romp home in any election.

    The image of Pearse with his ioiotic "your pension at 65" sign and his other stupid ideas will ensure the Shinners will not be romping home.


  • #5823
    Mortelaro
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,431 ✭✭✭Mortelaro


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Plenty of eejits here then who think the high moral ground grandstanding about SF was any thing different. Cynical vote grabbing, power swap maintaining verbiage.
    Why are you paying much stead to posters here? They're only about as representative as you are of society as a whole,a small piece


    I doubt SF are in 'fear'.
    If FG and FF manage this, it is one of the after election scenarios that suit SF if they are not going into government.
    Fear was the wrong word
    'Least prefer' would be more apt
    I fancy FG have learnt very little from the election as they sent O'Donovan out to debate with Pearse Doherty this AM...if they do that much more, the Shinners will romp home in any election. What an arrogant little dictator we have in waiting.
    That's your point of view in your bubble
    Meanwhile in my bubble, I see Doherty angry all the time
    All well and good to harvest a protest vote
    Not so good heading into a 5 year opposition where the government if it has any sense is on mission to reduce protest and increase satisfaction


  • #5824
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,732 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Mortelaro wrote: »



    Not so good heading into a 5 year opposition where the government if it has any sense is on mission to reduce protest and increase satisfaction



    We heard all that before in 2011 etc etc.

    And you tell me I am in a bubble. :)


  • #5825
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    Mortelaro wrote: »
    This is the Sinn Féin thread
    SF have no say in Northern Ireland now,I see...

    Pull the other one

    You didn't read it correctly.
    I said SF have some say. So you'll note your error.
    I see you'd no response so decided to be flippant. Fair enough.
    As I also said, be genuine and honest and criticise SF on their policies north or south if you like. Don't make up stuff. I'm sure there's plenty of policies up north they backed or tried. Criticise that not ones you imagineer.

    I see MLM speaking up for Asylum seekers and Travelers. SF's supporters, who I'm told are racist, won't like that :rolleyes:


  • #5826
    dundalkfc10
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,719 ✭✭✭dundalkfc10


    christy c wrote: »
    The image of Pearse with his ioiotic "your pension at 65" sign and his other stupid ideas will ensure the Shinners will not be romping home.

    Majority of people who dislike Sinn Fein would always say Pearse is a top TD.

    Assume you didnt listen to Radio 1 this morning, of course not.

    How in the name of God did FG think it was ok to send that character out to debate with Pearse.


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  • #5827
    christy c
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,226 ✭✭✭christy c


    dundalkfc10 wrote: »
    Majority of people who dislike Sinn Fein would always say Pearse is a top TD.

    Assume you didnt listen to Radio 1 this morning, of course not.

    How in the name of God did FG think it was ok to send that character out to debate with Pearse.

    Majority would say he is a top TD? Doubt it but I'd be happy to read the support to that statement.

    I listened back after seeing it here, o'donovan did ok but did revert back to the tired "the north are only getting £100 per week". Whereas Pearse was up to his usual spend spend spend antics. Maybe he's right this time but a broken clock is right twice a day.

    Thought it was funny when asked where he would get the money from he said something like "you never ask the government that", poor Pearse.


  • #5828
    JohnnyFlash
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,055 ✭✭✭JohnnyFlash


    Doherty is a well meaning sort, but he wouldn’t be the sharpest knife in the block. Seems to mistake bluster and fake outrage for political insight.

    Another 4.1 billion to extend the Covid payment to the end of the year. Where’s the money going to come from?


  • #5829
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,732 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    christy c wrote: »
    Majority would say he is a top TD? Doubt it but I'd be happy to read the support to that statement.

    Would the size of his vote not suggest he is a top TD?


  • #5830
    christy c
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,226 ✭✭✭christy c


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Would the size of his vote not suggest he is a top TD?

    That wasn't the statement I responded to


  • #5831
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    JohnnyFlash wrote: »
    Doherty is a well meaning sort, but he wouldn’t be the sharpest knife in the block. Seems to mistake bluster and fake outrage for political insight.

    Another 4.1 billion to extend the Covid payment to the end of the year. Where’s the money going to come from?

    Same place the initial payments came from, the money for private beds, the money to support business and the money to pay TD salaries I'd imagine.
    It's funny how this question only really comes up when it's something for the general public. I don't think 'we all partied' or 'we all went mad' will fly this time around either.
    I await the creation of a post-covid quango with great interest.


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  • #5832
    JohnnyFlash
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,055 ✭✭✭JohnnyFlash


    Bowie wrote: »
    Same place the initial payments came from, the money for private beds, the money to support business and the money to pay TD salaries I'd imagine.
    It's funny how this question only really comes up when it's something for the general public.

    From borrowing so.


  • #5833
    dundalkfc10
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,719 ✭✭✭dundalkfc10


    christy c wrote: »
    Majority would say he is a top TD? Doubt it but I'd be happy to read the support to that statement.

    I listened back after seeing it here, o'donovan did ok but did revert back to the tired "the north are only getting £100 per week". Whereas Pearse was up to his usual spend spend spend antics. Maybe he's right this time but a broken clock is right twice a day.

    Thought it was funny when asked where he would get the money from he said something like "you never ask the government that", poor Pearse.

    Then he went onto answer it.

    Did you listen to Leo in the Dail today, never answered 1 question, sweep sweep sweep


  • #5834
    christy c
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,226 ✭✭✭christy c


    dundalkfc10 wrote: »
    Then he went onto answer it.

    Did you listen to Leo in the Dail today, never answered 1 question, sweep sweep sweep

    In fairness Pearse did say they would borrow it, but I found his initial response funny.

    Didnt listen to Leo but wouldnt be surprised if that's what he did. Think he's a bit of a spoofer but not near Pearse's level.


  • #5835
    Mortelaro
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,431 ✭✭✭Mortelaro


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    We heard all that before in 2011 etc etc.

    And you tell me I am in a bubble. :)

    You're not seriously comparing Ireland broke ,ImF in charge with Ireland today
    If you are,I AM starting to think you're worried


  • #5836
    dundalkfc10
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,719 ✭✭✭dundalkfc10


    christy c wrote: »
    In fairness Pearse did say they would borrow it, but I found his initial response funny.

    Didnt listen to Leo but wouldnt be surprised if that's what he did. Think he's a bit of a spoofer but not near Pearse's level.

    Leo's first reposnse to Mary Lou today was about the people in North only getting 100pound payment

    What a leader, He has no answers so throws the same thing out every time


  • #5837
    blanch152
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,894 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    JohnnyFlash wrote: »
    Doherty is a well meaning sort, but he wouldn’t be the sharpest knife in the block. Seems to mistake bluster and fake outrage for political insight.

    Another 4.1 billion to extend the Covid payment to the end of the year. Where’s the money going to come from?

    Denis O'Brien and the rich?


  • #5838
    christy c
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,226 ✭✭✭christy c


    dundalkfc10 wrote: »
    Leo's first reposnse to Mary Lou today was about the people in North only getting 100pound payment

    What a leader, He has no answers so throws the same thing out every time

    Were you not in the FG thread talking about SF being mentioned? Yet here you are bringing up Leo. Dont see a leader telling us that the demographics will look after themselves being much of an improvement over Leo though.

    Any back up to your statement that the majority of people who dislike SF saying Pearse is a top TD? Or why you incorrectly assumed I had not listened to the piece on Radio 1?


  • #5839
    christy c
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,226 ✭✭✭christy c


    blanch152 wrote: »
    Denis O'Brien and the rich?

    In fairness Pearse did say they would borrow it. But a SF style spin on that would be something like "passing debts to our children and grandchildren to fund our current costs".


  • #5840
    Edgware
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,874 ✭✭✭Edgware


    dundalkfc10 wrote: »
    Leo's first reposnse to Mary Lou today was about the people in North only getting 100pound payment

    What a leader, He has no answers so throws the same thing out every time

    Leo's mistake is thinking that people in the South gives a ****e about what the loolahs in the
    North gets.


  • #5841
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    christy c wrote: »
    In fairness Pearse did say they would borrow it. But a SF style spin on that would be something like "passing debts to our children and grandchildren to fund our current costs".

    I would hope any monies borrowed will go towards society as a whole that need it and any hardship towards repayments are metered out evenly and fairly this time.
    Despite the differences between the financial crash and Covid number 19, we will likely see the same aftermath, but hopefully a fairer fix. Another reason why I'd be inclined to go with SD/SF/PBP etc.
    I expect a shiny new quango in the coming months, should we have the same crew.


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  • #5842
    christy c
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,226 ✭✭✭christy c


    Bowie wrote: »
    Another reason why I'd be inclined to go with SD/SF/PBP etc.

    You only have to look through the nonsense proposed by these parties over the years to see why many will avoid them like the plague. Some of their ideas make spending 4 billion on a hospital seem like Einstein levels of intelligence.


  • #5843
    jimmycrackcorm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,419 ✭✭✭✭jimmycrackcorm


    Edgware wrote: »
    Leo's mistake is thinking that people in the South gives a ****e about what the loolahs in the
    North gets.

    The point he is making is that SF are great at calling for all sorts of sweeties down south, but up north they show their true colours. Abdicated all responsibility for welfare cuts to the UK government as their support base has a core element dependent on that.


  • #5844
    dundalkfc10
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,719 ✭✭✭dundalkfc10


    christy c wrote: »
    Were you not in the FG thread talking about SF being mentioned? Yet here you are bringing up Leo. Dont see a leader telling us that the demographics will look after themselves being much of an improvement over Leo though.

    Any back up to your statement that the majority of people who dislike SF saying Pearse is a top TD? Or why you incorrectly assumed I had not listened to the piece on Radio 1?

    That is your response to Leo just having a go at SF with the same thing over and over again. (something the whole country is aware of now has nothing to do with SF)

    Well you picked parts of Pearse's response up which you found funny, but to try and make it look like he had no answer you didn't say he actually answered the question.

    The majority of people I know who would never vote SF, always say Pearse seems like a top TD. Do you want a list of names and numbers?

    2 weeks ago it was laugh at SF, because we FG are going into GOVT, now is sweaky bum time and its oh lets have a go at everything SF (because it worked so well pre-election)


  • #5845
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    christy c wrote: »
    You only have to look through the nonsense proposed by these parties over the years to see why many will avoid them like the plague. Some of their ideas make spending 4 billion on a hospital seem like Einstein levels of intelligence.

    Yet they didn't avoid them like the plague in the election.
    The mask is off the FF/FG parties. They are less and less being seen as the best of a bad lot or in the least sound when it comes to financials. They talk a good talk, (except Varadkar and Harris) but the national crises, gaffes, bad deals and overspends say otherwise IMO.
    People want a government that will look out for them first, that's not FG.


  • #5846
    blanch152
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,894 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    dundalkfc10 wrote: »
    Leo's first reposnse to Mary Lou today was about the people in North only getting 100pound payment

    What a leader, He has no answers so throws the same thing out every time


    I think it is important from his perspective to highlight how well we treat our people compared to the government (or lack of) in the North.

    It must be remembered that Sinn Fein led the charge to hand responsibility for social welfare in the North back to Westminister.


  • #5847
    christy c
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,226 ✭✭✭christy c


    dundalkfc10 wrote: »
    That is your response to Leo just having a go at SF with the same thing over and over again. (something the whole country is aware of now has nothing to do with SF)

    Well you picked parts of Pearse's response up which you found funny, but to try and make it look like he had no answer you didn't say he actually answered the question.

    The majority of people I know who would never vote SF, always say Pearse seems like a top TD. Do you want a list of names and numbers?

    2 weeks ago it was laugh at SF, because we FG are going into GOVT, now is sweaky bum time and its oh lets have a go at everything SF (because it worked so well pre-election)

    As I said I think Leo is a spoofer, just not on Pearse's level.

    I didnt try to misrepresent Doherty, I posted the bit I found funny because he was playing the poor me/SF card.

    So by a majority of people you mean a few people you know, that's fine. You should have said that first.

    I post occasionally when I want to, this isn't some planned thing based on who is or isn't going in to government. I have and will continue to highlight stupid policies by SF whenever I please.


  • #5848
    christy c
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,226 ✭✭✭christy c


    Bowie wrote: »
    Yet they didn't avoid them like the plague in the election.
    The mask is off the FF/FG parties. They are less and less being seen as the best of a bad lot or in the least sound when it comes to financials. They talk a good talk, (except Varadkar and Harris) but the national crises, gaffes, bad deals and overspends say otherwise IMO.
    People want a government that will look out for them first, that's not FG.

    I said many will avoid them like the plague, and that is what happened in the election too. Just less than previous times.

    Yes people are getting sick of FG, myself included. And they do want a government that will look out for them, but they also want a government that has some grounding in reality. And that is not SF at the moment anyway.


  • #5849
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    blanch152 wrote: »
    I think it is important from his perspective to highlight how well we treat our people compared to the government (or lack of) in the North.

    It must be remembered that Sinn Fein led the charge to hand responsibility for social welfare in the North back to Westminister.

    Read up on it there: Lo and behold not as you spun it.
    Seems there was an impasse and SF were worried it could result in the failure of devolution. Not sure they led the charge in so much as both SF and the DUP agreed it was the best option.

    Getting back to your first line, how does this kind of decision in a completely different form of devolved government, in another jurisdiction, with different parties and politicians, 'overseas' as per Varadkar, play into what SF might do in office in the south? Do you think they'll ask Westminister to take over welfare in the south?

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-34853112


  • #5850
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    christy c wrote: »
    I said many will avoid them like the plague, and that is what happened in the election too. Just less than previous times.

    Yes people are getting sick of FG, myself included. And they do want a government that will look out for them, but they also want a government that has some grounding in reality. And that is not SF at the moment anyway.

    I don't think SF have the experience or maybe expertise but that doesn't stop FG, so on that note I'm 50/50, but you certainly have a point.
    For me SF may indeed make a balls of it but I'd rather a government failed trying to do the right thing than succeeded doing the wrong.
    We only need look at the last several years. Despite worsening crises the same path s are followed. To me this means policy wise we'll see more of the same in the future, so that's FG out for me. Overseeing record breaking crises while talking up their abilities to govern.
    If SF build less social and affordable than they planned at least it's moves in the right direction on that issue.
    If the country becomes bankrupt trying to supply housing, health education etc. it will be a welcome change from the other recessions we weather IMO. There will be another crash for certain if we follow FF/FG. It's par for the course with them.
    Plus if SF prosper so too will other parties and that would be excellent.


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  • #5851
    blanch152
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,894 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Bowie wrote: »
    Read up on it there: Lo and behold not as you spun it.
    Seems there was an impasse and SF were worried it could result in the failure of devolution. Not sure they led the charge in so much as both SF and the DUP agreed it was the best option.

    Getting back to your first line, how does this kind of decision in a completely different form of devolved government, in another jurisdiction, with different parties and politicians, 'overseas' as per Varadkar, play into what SF might do in office in the south? Do you think they'll ask Westminister to take over welfare in the south?

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-34853112


    They were the government, they introduced the motion, they voted in favour of it, which bit of leading the charge did they not do?

    When did Varadkar say that Northern Ireland was "overseas"?

    Finally, what are Sinn Fein doing up North to change it back and improve things? A big fat zero is the answer to that question.


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