Madeleine McCann

limnam · 04-06-2020 11:56PM

John_Rambo wrote: »

I'm not questioning your parenting.

I'm pretty sure you're an excellent, caring and loving parent. I certainly wouldn't want to get between you and your kids!!

If I found one of our kids lost I'd do the right thing and your child would be safe.

I don't think as a person you're off the wall or anything close to it, but I think you need to refocus your anger and fury to the actual monster that carried out this crime and to all the other monsters that prey on children, not to the parents of abused, abducted and murdered kids, whatever their mistakes or circumstances.

Can't I be "angry" at both? In this case they may very well be the parents and the monsters.

John_Rambo · 05-06-2020 12:06AM

limnam wrote: »

Can't I be "angry" at both? In this case they may very well be the parents and the monsters.

I guess you can, I can't tell you who to be angry at, It's your right.
We all make mistakes. I lost my young fella for a few minutes in a crowded area and found it hard not to panic, it all ended well, but I was afraid of the monsters, the internet warriors & victim blamers were the last of my thoughts until I got home and thought about the cee you next Tuesdays that get their jollies blaming the parents.

Shanotheslayer · 05-06-2020 12:08AM

John_Rambo wrote: »

I guess you can, I can't tell you who to be angry at, It's your right.
We all make mistakes. I lost my young fella for a few minutes in a crowded area and found it hard not to panic, it all ended well, but I was afraid of the monsters, the internet warriors & victim blamers were the last of my thoughts until I got home and thought about the cee you next Tuesdays that get their jollies blaming the parents.

Completely different comparing losing your kid for a minute in a crowd in comparison to purposely leaving your kid in an apartment while you went for dinner and pints

limnam · 05-06-2020 12:11AM

John_Rambo wrote: »

I guess you can, I can't tell you who to be angry at, It's your right.
We all make mistakes. I lost my young fella for a few minutes in a crowded area and found it hard not to panic, it all ended well, but I was afraid of the monsters, the internet warriors & victim blamers were the last of my thoughts until I got home and thought about the cee you next Tuesdays that get their jollies blaming the parents.

I don't consider leaving 3 kids under 4 alone in an unlocked apartment in a foreign country while I go out drinking night after night a mistake.

But I guess it's the internet warrior in me.

John_Rambo · 05-06-2020 12:12AM

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

Completely different comparing losing your kid for a minute in a crowd in comparison to purposely leaving your kid in an apartment while you went for dinner and pints

Either way, I still have a natural tendancy to heavily blame the child abductors and Pedopheles for child abductions and pedophelia.

John_Rambo · 05-06-2020 12:14AM

limnam wrote: »

I don't consider leaving 3 kids under 4 alone in an unlocked apartment in a foreign country while I go out drinking night after night a mistake.

But I guess it's the internet warrior in me.

It was the biggest mistake in their lives. But the blame still lies with the person that took the child.

SusieBlue · 05-06-2020 12:19AM

Is there any need to keep rehashing over and over that it was reckless and irresponsible to leave the children alone, the majority of people agree this is the case and repeating it as nauseam adds nothing to the conversation. It’s just pious virtue signalling of the highest order.

My name is URL · 05-06-2020 12:24AM

Why is there even a discussion about who is responsible for abducting and killing a child?

This place is in ruins

retro:electro · 05-06-2020 12:26AM

SusieBlue wrote: »

Is there any need to keep rehashing over and over that it was reckless and irresponsible to leave the children alone, the majority of people agree this is the case and repeating it as nauseam adds nothing to the conversation. It’s just pious virtue signalling of the highest order.

Well since the “its the parents wotdunnit” narrative they’ve been committed for over a decade looks like it could be a load of tripe, they must resort to shaming them over and over for the action that left her vulnerable in the first place. Something almost all of us will agree was irresponsible, but they didn’t deserve to lose their daughter for.
But these people have built up 13 years worth of intense hatred and vitriol for the McCanns so it has to spill out of them in one form or another.

John_Rambo · 05-06-2020 12:26AM

SusieBlue wrote: »

Is there any need to keep rehashing over and over that it was reckless and irresponsible to leave the children alone, the majority of people agree this is the case and repeating it as nauseam adds nothing to the conversation. It’s just pious virtue signalling of the highest order.

This post is just virtue signalling of the highest order. It's turned into any parent who's never lost a child to some monster is a good parent and has no empathy towards anyone that's gone through the nightmare that some parent's have gone through.

You're a good parent. Others that have dealt with tragedy are also good parents and they're dealing with what has happened to them.

"pious"? Unsure why you wedged that one in.

Hamsterchops · 05-06-2020 12:30AM

If that sad old German sicko would just admit it and tell the police where she's buried (presuming he's guilty) it would be closure, which is what is needed right now.

John_Rambo · 05-06-2020 12:34AM

retro:electro wrote: »

Well since the “its the parents wotdunnit” narrative they’ve been committed for over a decade looks like it could be a load of tripe, they must resort to shaming them over and over for the action that left her vulnerable in the first place. Something almost all of us will agree was irresponsible, but they didn’t deserve to lose their daughter for.
But these people have built up 13 years worth of intense hatred and vitriol for the McCanns so it has to spill out of them in one form or another.

Yeah, it seems the cohort of internet detectives have been proven wrong now and are insisting that Madeleine's folks have to endure a lifetime of keyboarders warrior condemnation whilst the actual murderer is ignored and even vilified for the parents mistakes.

It would be fantastic if people perspective would move towards the actual villain in this case.

Snake Plisken · 05-06-2020 12:38AM

All such perfect parents on the internet.
The McCanns made a mistake and they will suffer for the rest of their lives because of it. On top of that they will have to stand the internet trolls who came up with some ridiculous theories about them killing their own child for the last 13 years. I also think because they were middle class Doctors the trolls held that against them too.
Maybe the trolls want to go back to a case a few years previous and blame Denise Bulger and call her irresponsible for not keeping a close eye on Jamie whilst in a busy shopping centre?
The only scum to blame for these crimes are the peadophile murders of these innocent children!

John_Rambo · 05-06-2020 12:40AM

Hamsterchops wrote: »

If that sad old German sicko would just admit it and tell the police where she's buried (presuming he's guilty) it would be closure, which is what is needed right now.

Well said. It's going to be tough. Impossible to offer a deal unless it's soft time in prison. Very hard to offer a deal for admittance to such a crime.

It's really looking like this guy is the right suspect.

Shanotheslayer · 05-06-2020 12:45AM

Lads, it doesn't take a perfect parent to know
not to do what they did.

That's just common sense. They didn't leave their kids there by "Mistake" they didn't accidentally lose them in a shopping centre.

Yes the abductor is to blame but the parents never should have put their children in that situation.

sxt · 05-06-2020 12:45AM

splinter65 wrote: »

If this is an official report into the investigation then it should be easy for you post a link. Honestly, I can read it myself.

Complete Policia Judiciaria files and documents of the Madeleine McCann Investigation.

Case files

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/PAGE_ORDER.htm

Inquiry files and documents

[URL] http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/TRANSLATIONS.htm[/URL]

Photographs

[url] http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PHOTOGRAPHS.htm[/url]

Report by Chief Inspector

[url] http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/TAVARES_ALMEIDA.htm[/url]

SlowBlowin · 05-06-2020 01:11AM

Anyone else find the whole phone number thing weird ?

They have basically released just a phone number and said does anyone recognise it ? I find that extremely odd, almost like they know whose phone it was, surely they would say it was a pay as you go simm on the ZZZZZZ network, purchased in XXXX and previously used in YYYYY location to try and narrow it down ?

They also said it called the suspects phone from outside the area, to make this statement they must be checking some data records of mobile phone activity ?

Finally why are they making a big push for information on this number in the UK ? I checked the Portuguese news sites (see example below) and they have not even published the number ? Surely if you are looking to trace a Portuguese mobile number the best place to look is Portugal, not the UK ?

https://www.theportugalnews.com/news/german-prosecutors-treating-madeleine-mccann-case-as-murder/54403

05-06-2020 01:49AM

SlowBlowin wrote: »

Anyone else find the whole phone number thing weird ?

They have basically released just a phone number and said does anyone recognise it ? I find that extremely odd, almost like they know whose phone it was, surely they would say it was a pay as you go simm on the ZZZZZZ network, purchased in XXXX and previously used in YYYYY location to try and narrow it down ?

They also said it called the suspects phone from outside the area, to make this statement they must be checking some data records of mobile phone activity ?

Finally why are they making a big push for information on this number in the UK ? I checked the Portuguese news sites (see example below) and they have not even published the number ? Surely if you are looking to trace a Portuguese mobile number the best place to look is Portugal, not the UK ?

https://www.theportugalnews.com/news/german-prosecutors-treating-madeleine-mccann-case-as-murder/54403

Maybe it’s not a Portuguese mobile number.

Edit - maybe it’s not a Portuguese user of the phone and they are trying to see which English based/speaking person might possibly have tipped off the killer that the McCann children were alone on the apartment.

spurious · 05-06-2020 02:09AM

limnam wrote: »

I don't consider leaving 3 kids under 4 alone in an unlocked apartment in a foreign country while I go out drinking night after night a mistake.

Mistake or not, I think subsequent events were more than enough punishment for them.

SlowBlowin · 05-06-2020 02:33AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Maybe it’s not a Portuguese mobile number.

Edit - maybe it’s not a Portuguese user of the phone and they are trying to see which English based/speaking person might possibly have tipped off the killer that the McCann children were alone on the apartment.

They were both Portuguese numbers (released by the met).

2u2me · 05-06-2020 02:37AM

SlowBlowin wrote: »

Anyone else find the whole phone number thing weird ?

Yes. very.
"Of the phone numbers, one was known to have belonged to the suspect, while the other number belonged to someone who spoke with the man for 30 minutes, "just over an hour before Madeleine was last seen," said British police in a separate press briefing."
Bangkok Post

SlowBlowin wrote: »

They also said it called the suspects phone from outside the area, to make this statement they must be checking some data records of mobile phone activity ?

Can I ask where you saw this? I haven't seen this reported, but i've only seen a few stories.

GarIT · 05-06-2020 02:40AM

My name is URL wrote: »

Why is there even a discussion about who is responsible for abducting and killing a child?

This place is in ruins

They kept themselves at the front pages of the media as much as possible. They have made their millions from book deals and exclusive interviews, they live for the fame, it's only fair that if they work so hard to make themselves celebrities they are in the public eye.

Flippyfloppy · 05-06-2020 07:16AM

Like it or not, listening services are/were common at resorts such as the one the mccanns stayed in. Having previously used resorts under the brand Mark Warner, Kate expected there to be a listening service at the resort. When there was not, they essentially carried out a listening service of their own.

'' Although Mark Warner offered a listening service at its other complexes -- where a nanny tours the rooms every half an hour and listens for crying children -- they have never offered it at the Ocean Club complex in Praia da Luz.''

Banana Republic. · 05-06-2020 07:22AM

limnam wrote: »

When you decide to go out on the p|ss and not arrange child care for 3 kids under 4 leaving them home alone. Then yes. You're to blame.

Yes because there was babysitting services, not like that table couldn’t afford childcare plus everyone is forgetting the paths they took back to the restaurant and the strange things you don’t just after the child went missing, leaving the twins on their own after they said an abductor was in the apt. The suspicion is caused by the Mc Canns actions not anyone playing detective, they’ve benefited hugely from this, a lot of that money is unaccounted for, mortgages paid off all that. So anyone resolving them of complete blame are off their game.

Flippyfloppy · 05-06-2020 07:24AM

retro:electro wrote: »

They are responsible for leaving them alone. They are not responsible for a potential abduction, or whatever happened to her after that. The creep who took her is responsible for that. Or would you prefer to see Kate and Gerry locked up and whoever took her be left of Scott free? After all, “they are responsible”.

Yes they made a massive mistake. You know that, I know that, everyfcukingone knows that. No one knows it more than they do as 13 years later they are still without their daughter. What purpose does it serve to continually shame them for that? They paid the ultimate price. It’s almost like people think because they left her they deserve to have lost her.
That’s messed up.

It's almost like the baying mob would like to see Gerry and Kate locked up, and give the paedo abductor a pat on the back saying ''Completely understandable mate''

Valhallapt · 05-06-2020 07:36AM

SlowBlowin wrote: »

Anyone else find the whole phone number thing weird ?

I remember arriving in Faro and Vodafone had a pop up stand selling €10 SIM cards with 10gb data.

The numbers were probably not used before or after, so maybe they are hoping someone got a “here’s my local number in Portugal for the next week while I’m on holidays” text

the_pen_turner · 05-06-2020 07:42AM

Valhallapt wrote: »

I remember arriving in Faro and Vodafone had a pop up stand selling €10 SIM cards with 10gb data.

The numbers were probably not used before or after, so maybe they are hoping someone got a “here’s my local number in Portugal for the next week while I’m on holidays” text

You would assume that someone smart enough to be in and out of there undetected through a small window of time after doing whatever amount of surveillance undetected would be smart enough to buy a new sim for the crime

splinter65 · 05-06-2020 07:51AM

the_pen_turner wrote: »

oh i do apologize. how clumsy of me to make such an error.

The contempt for the child, and her parents, right there.

Valhallapt · 05-06-2020 07:52AM

the_pen_turner wrote: »

You would assume that someone smart enough to be in and out of there undetected through a small window of time after doing whatever amount of surveillance undetected would be smart enough to buy a new sim for the crime

Yea you would think so. Although a lot of these people get caught as they acted on impulse or an opportunity arose...

splinter65 · 05-06-2020 07:54AM

sxt wrote: »

Complete Policia Judiciaria files and documents of the Madeleine McCann Investigation.

Case files

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/PAGE_ORDER.htm

Inquiry files and documents

[URL] http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/TRANSLATIONS.htm[/URL]

Photographs

[url] http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PHOTOGRAPHS.htm[/url]

Report by Chief Inspector

[url] http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/TAVARES_ALMEIDA.htm[/url]

No this is not an official report though. This is a translation of a report which has, as you know, been discredited and discounted many times. Embarrassing for you that you decided to use it here yet again as evidence.

Madeleine McCann

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