Madeleine McCann

walshb wrote: »

They are responsible for their children’s safety..

And leaving three very young children alone and unattended is irresponsible...

Yes, they didn’t abduct then. But their actions allowed someone else to..

Yes...thanks. None of us knew this. After every rambling, finger pointing, high horse riding holier than thou poster on every single thread about this case. Ad nauseum. We didn't know. Thanks.

sxt wrote: »

That was the joint conclusion by both the British and Portuguese investigators involved in this case. This was thier conclusion after years of investigating. That was what they signed off on when they gave their final report to the Public prosecutor

Have you a link to where the British police came to the conclusion that the parents were involved. Thanks.

walshb wrote: »

They are responsible for their children’s safety..

And leaving three very young children alone and unattended is irresponsible...

Out of sight and ear shot. Not unattended in the next room..Out of sight!! Unreachable if anything g bad happened..

Yes, they didn’t abduct then. But their actions allowed someone else to..

I am not shaming them. I feel for them. Heartbreaking...But their choices led to the loss of that child.

And their choice was reckless and completely unnecessary..

Everyone knows it was irresponsible. What purpose does it serve to obsessively bring it up 13 years later and constantly berate them over, as if it’s a matter of fact that happened to bypass us all? Everyone knows it was irresponsible. No one knows it more than they do. Do you not see the pain etched on Kate’s face? How can people still consistently bash them for something they are paying the ultimate price for, and some do it with such malice. They made a catastrophic error in judgement. Did they deserve to lose their child for it? No. They are victims too.

Babooshka wrote: »

British investigation concluded that the McCanns did it....really???

They didn’t. But the poster is going to point us now to this report from the British police that they did. Any minute now.

sxt wrote: »

Chief Inspector Tavares de Almeida told the court that he believed the couple, from Rothley, Leicestershire, were directly involved in Madeleine’s disappearance – a theory he said was shared by Portuguese and British officers working on the case.

He said: “The conclusion that was arrived at was that Madeleine McCann died at the apartment and the McCann couple simulated the abduction to hide the fact that they had not taken care of their children.

“There was a tragic accident in the apartment that night and they neglected the care of their children. It was the conclusion of both Portuguese and British police. We have always spoken of a tragic accidental death. There was no homicide.”

If this is an official report into the investigation then it should be easy for you post a link. Honestly, I can read it myself.

sxt wrote: »

He was identified, questioned, and his camper van was forensically examined 13 years ago

mgbgt1978 wrote: »

Just misunderstanding the Facts so....:rolleyes:.
Amaral said in 2019 that the Camper Van (I'm not going down the pidgeon english road and saying 'Trailer') had been examined in Germany . He deliberately didn't say when this happened. It has been widely reported that the German police were unable to find anything incriminating in the Camper due to the passage of time. This is because they didn't seize it until late 2018.


Can you show anything that even hints that this Camper was examined in 2007 ?

sxt wrote: »

Of course I can't, but if your being investigated in a high profile case like this.. I have to presume they would be interested in his camper van

And the vehicles and whereabouts of all other persons of interest in the area at the time

I wouldn't waste my time arguing with opinions on this Thread.
However when somebody states something as fact, there has to be proof that this fact is correct.
The truth is that despite your initial assertion that this Camper was examined 13 years ago, it was first examined by the German Police almost 12 years after the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
I really don't care what you believe, but at least get your facts correct.

uncleoswald wrote: »

No, there are people 'speculating' that they are positive the McCanns did it. And accusing them of doing it at every opportunity. They have the moral low ground.

I could 'speculate' that you did all manner of crimes.

But it’s still just speculation, regardless. The problem is your reaction to it........ I personally don’t understand why people get so riled up to villify or protect 2 complete strangers being honest, it’s strange.

screamer wrote: »

But it’s still just speculation, regardless. The problem is your reaction to it........ I personally don’t understand why people get so riled up to villify or protect 2 complete strangers being honest, it’s strange.

Because even "strangers" deserve basic human decency and the little trolls name calling and the vile things they've said about the McCanns, when they wouldn't even do the same to a stranger on the street...you don't understand why that's not acceptable, just because we're all anonymous and strangers?

Think they're guilty if you like, but the absolute vitriol posted up by some is just utterly disgusting. And they don't speak about them as if they're "strangers"...they speak about them as if they know them as cold hearted murderers that they know very well. They would treat "strangers" better.

retro:electro wrote: »

Everyone knows it was irresponsible. What purpose does it serve to obsessively bring it up 13 years later and constantly berate them over, as if it’s a matter of fact that happened to bypass us all? Everyone knows it was irresponsible. No one knows it more than they do. Do you not see the pain etched on Kate’s face? How can people still consistently bash them for something they are paying the ultimate price for, and some do it with such malice. They made a catastrophic error in judgement. Did they deserve to lose their child for it? No. They are victims too.

Yet the McCanns insist that they thought it was safe. Gerry said that they sought legal advice afterwards and had been assured that what they did was "well within the bounds of reasonable parenting".

But sure look, I’ve been around the block enough on these threads to know that there is a considerable cohort who are dedicated to shaming and blaming the parents at all costs, lack of evidence be damned. They have dreamt up a narrative, and will stick to it at all costs. Even if it is this guy, they are so indoctrinated and committed to being “right” that they will insist the parents must have been involved with this guy. Just don’t ask them how or why or when they could have done it. Because you won’t get an answer to that. Just deflection. But it speaks more about the type of people they are than anything else.

screamer wrote: »

But it’s still just speculation, regardless. The problem is your reaction to it........ I personally don’t understand why people get so riled up to villify or protect 2 complete strangers being honest, it’s strange.

Speculating is not the same as accusing and vilifying. I'm not riled up but I find your lack of empathy a little weird.

So if a loved one of yours died and people started accusing you of murder you'd be ok with that? And if people started to tell those accusers to leave you alone you'd tell them not to bother because sure it's no harm?

2u2me wrote: »

Are you talking about in this thread or somewhere else, I'm thinking I'm reading a different thread to you.

Many threads. Many many.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

I can’t believe people are still making this fallacious point. The McCanns have been absolutely crucified in the media. And IMO, their background and class has been used against them a lot. There’s reverse snobbery going on a bit.

It’s just jealously and begrudgery. The cheek of someone with an accent like kate pulling herself up by her bootstraps. And she nabbed herself a doctor on the way. Bloody cheeky bitch thinks she’s better then us.

SlowBlowin wrote: »

Yet the McCanns insist that they thought it was safe. Gerry said that they sought legal advice afterwards and had been assured that what they did was "well within the bounds of reasonable parenting".

I’m sure they know by now that their actions were completely reckless. I will admit I do at times find them a little proud and lacking in humility, but I’d put that down to them being defensive in the face of what was a swath of universal criticism. But yes, they would have “won over” more people had they held their hands up from the start and admitted they fcuked up. I’ve always held that view.

But they acted in defence of their actions and people judge them for that, but they also had their other two children to think of there and I’m sure after losing Madeline they didn’t want to lose them too. I find it hard to believe they don’t know by now that what they did was wrong, 13 years later when they are still without their daughter.