Madeleine McCann

04-06-2020 08:04PM

2u2me wrote: »

I agree with you, but it doesn't sit easy with me if we just pin every crime on the scumbag.

I'd love to see what evidence they have. The big thing seems to be that he shared information with another cellmate that only 'the abductor' would have known. I wonder what piece of information this is exactly?
To me it seems weird that there is something only one person would know, given the exposure in this case.

It would likely be something like a distinctive birthmark which would not be ordinarily visible in any photos of her, maybe a habitual mannerism, formula of words she used, or behaviour in circumstances of being near somebody she wasn’t used to. Or combination of these things that together pointed to the veracity if what the suspect said. I’ll give you an example, as a kid I was known to ask strangers the most embarrassing & absurd questions, at Madeleine’s age I asked everybody new that I met what colour their toilet was! Now not too many children would ask that, but I had developed a fascination for the colour pink, and that had become popular in the 60s for shop & hotel toilets. I wanted to know how many people in the world had one that colour, and maybe we could get one in our house.

Had I been abducted my parents would have told police I was likely to ask this, as an aid to their detective work, but they wouldn’t have spelled that out to any media that might have been taking notes.

04-06-2020 08:09PM

One of the red tops has named what they believe is the suspect:

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/breaking-german-paedophile-suspected-abducting-22136625

mgbgt1978 · 04-06-2020 08:14PM

sxt wrote: »

He was identified, questioned, and his camper van was forensically examined 13 years ago

I think you're a bit confused there

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His Camper Van (which has possibly had a few Owners since 2007) was taken by the German police just over a year ago. It was never examined by the Portuguese Police.

What Amaral said last year was;
"The trailer that he lived in was taken to Germany for testing but nothing was found there."
He never said anything about his own Force examining the Camper Van.
You are either trying to manipulate the Facts....or you are completely misunderstanding the Facts.

Either way, it's BS to claim that this Camper Van was examined 13 years ago.

GreeBo · 04-06-2020 08:29PM

Strumms wrote: »

They are guilty of a catastrophic error of judgement, as a result they’ve suffered an unimaginable and catastrophic loss...

The responsibility for her being abducted lies with whoever planned and carried out the abduction though.. not with the McCann’s.. beat up the McCann’s, that’s been done, I’m sure they are still doing it to themselves... but there is some evil prick somewhere and quite probably some people who not only carried out the abduction but facilitated it happening and the culprit(s) getting away with it so far.

The McCann’s are victims, did they make a choice that contributed to the abduction but it was not by design, it was carelessness, that shouldn’t be punishable by their kid being abducted and or murdered. Holding them to account however that’s achieved won’t find Madeleine.

In retrospect... Very harsh to judge people as Captain Hindsight.
If she had disappeared in the middle of the night with her parents in their own beds some would still somehow blame them.

Spanish Eyes · 04-06-2020 08:33PM

I hope this revelation results in something significant, painful and all as it may turn out.

But I am not that hopeful really. However the fact is that the GERMAN police instigated this, and to be fair, I wouldn't be messing with them.

04-06-2020 08:47PM

The local Portuguese police seem to have made rather a clusterfock if it, and so far it would appear this individual was not very strongly on their radar, for whatever reason.

maebee · 04-06-2020 08:48PM

dark crystal wrote: »

But if there was no abduction or kidnapping, what other option is there?

Be honest, it's just another way of implicating the parents isn't it? A child doesn't just disappear into thin air.

There is the option that she was groggy from calpol, had an accident and died and that her death was covered up to excuse the parents' negligence. I don't know if that happened and neither does anyone here.

As you know, I am among many who never believed the parents' version of events. Maybe if Kate McCann had answered the police questions I would have some faith in them.

Yes, this child did disappear.

Babooshka · 04-06-2020 08:51PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The local Portuguese police seem to have made rather a clusterfock if it, and so far it would appear this individual was not very strongly on their radar, for whatever reason.

They didn't pursue too many lines of investigation as the chief detective was adamant the parents did something. They wasted the precious hours immediately after a kidnapping or abduction or murder by pursuing the McCanns. Roads weren't closed nearby in and out of the resort. They wanted it to be the parents.

Babooshka · 04-06-2020 08:56PM

maebee wrote: »

There is the option that she was groggy from calpol, had an accident and died and that her death was covered up to excuse the parents' negligence. I don't know if that happened and neither does anyone here.

As you know, I am among many who never believed the parents' version of events. Maybe if Kate McCann had answered the police questions I would have some faith in them.

Yes, this child did disappear.

Maybe if your child disappeared and the police did nothing to find anyone and doggedly insisted on questioning you, and you knew that somewhere out there your child was possibly suffering at the hands of some maniac and they weren't bothering their balls to listen to you...maybe you would become hostile too. Just maybe. Maybe they weren't hiding anything. Maybe they couldn't believe the arrogance and complete lack of help the Portuguese police were offering. Just giving you the other side of the pendulum of opinion. I know if my child was abducted and they were questioning me over and over in a manner alluding to me being responsible and that they weren't pursuing the real criminal, after I'd told them what happened, I would stop cooperating and start looking for help elsewhere that's for sure. Time is precious when your close to infant child is gone.

sxt · 04-06-2020 09:06PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The local Portuguese police seem to have made rather a clusterfock if it, and so far it would appear this individual was not very strongly on their radar, for whatever reason.

He was investigated, his trailer was even transported to Germany to be forensically tested

mgbgt1978 · 04-06-2020 09:09PM

Was it ?
When was that ?
Because it definitely was not 13 years ago.....:rolleyes:

Blanco100 · 04-06-2020 09:12PM

same goons crying about the parents being responsible because they left them unattended are probably the same crowd who are flicking through facebook whilst there kid is up the road on their bike or roaming around the local estate.

splinter65 · 04-06-2020 09:13PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The local Portuguese police seem to have made rather a clusterfock if it, and so far it would appear this individual was not very strongly on their radar, for whatever reason.

The Portuguese police decided that the parents or their friends were guilty and that was more or less the end of it. They totally underestimated the amount of press interest there was going to be.

walshb · 04-06-2020 09:14PM

Blanco100 wrote: »

same goons crying about the parents being responsible because they left them unattended are probably the same crowd who are flicking through facebook whilst there kid is up the road on their bike or roaming around the local estate.

They are responsible. They are their children. They did leave them alone and unattended.

sxt · 04-06-2020 09:15PM

mgbgt1978 wrote: »

Was it ?
When was that ?
Because it definitely was not 13 years ago.....:rolleyes:

Speaking on the Maddie podcast, in a 2019 interview that has accurately foreshadowed today's developments, Mr Amaral confirmed the German had been on the Algarve.

"He was investigated by the [Policia Judiciaria, Portugal's police] at the time [and] when the case ended they discarded him," he said.

"The trailer that he lived in was taken to Germany for testing but nothing was found there."

https://amp.9news.com.au/article/0ea5ef10-8717-4cfb-adea-a1c8baf2d357

walshb · 04-06-2020 09:15PM

Looking quite promising as regards maybe them having the man who abducted Madeleine..

splinter65 · 04-06-2020 09:17PM

maebee wrote: »

There is the option that she was groggy from calpol, had an accident and died and that her death was covered up to excuse the parents' negligence. I don't know if that happened and neither does anyone here.

As you know, I am among many who never believed the parents' version of events. Maybe if Kate McCann had answered the police questions I would have some faith in them.

Yes, this child did disappear.

If you think that’s a possibility then you need to have some idea how when and where it happened. I’ve asked you before to try and give me a time line. I’ve asked loads of people who don’t believe the McCanns over all these years and I never get an answer. To me if you can’t back up your allegations then your just smearing people.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 04-06-2020 09:19PM

Strumms wrote: »

They are guilty of a catastrophic error of judgement, as a result they’ve suffered an unimaginable and catastrophic loss...

Couldn’t have said it better. I usually try not to be on the fence about topics but this is one where I genuinely am. I think both an abduction or parental involvement are both possible and I never thought there was enough information to decide either way. And if it was an abduction, it’s like you say: yes, they were incredibly irresponsible but they paid the ultimate price for that serious lapse in judgement. So I would still consider them victims. How does sanctimony help here?

ShatterAlan · 04-06-2020 09:19PM

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Do a lie detector test on the prisoner and a lie detector test on the parents, do it live on prime time tv.

And what will that accomplish? Exactly?

salmocab · 04-06-2020 09:22PM

ShatterAlan wrote: »

And what will that accomplish? Exactly?

Keep a baying mob happy?

ceadaoin. · 04-06-2020 09:24PM

maebee wrote: »

There is the option that she was groggy from calpol, had an accident and died and that her death was covered up to excuse the parents' negligence. I don't know if that happened and neither does anyone here.

As you know, I am among many who never believed the parents' version of events. Maybe if Kate McCann had answered the police questions I would have some faith in them.

Yes, this child did disappear.

Calpol is just paracetamol. It would not make anyone "groggy", there is nothing that causes drowsiness in it. I've read that the parents gave the kids "something" to keep them asleep but is this an actual fact or just a theory? If they admitted to giving calpol, well that doesn't imply that at all.

screamer · 04-06-2020 09:26PM

Unless or until a body is found all any of us can do is speculate. Were the parents involved? Possibly, maybe not none of us know. Was she abducted? Possibly, maybe not again we don’t know.
So in the absence of knowing people speculate, it’s what we do, and no one has the high moral ground because none of us know what really happened.

I do think though, that even if a body is found, we’ll be no closer to knowing who was responsible for her death than we are now, as there will be no DNA or anything to analyse. I still think this will end in nothing, like so many other leads over the years.

retro:electro · 04-06-2020 09:26PM

walshb wrote: »

They are responsible. They are their children. They did leave them alone and unattended.

They are responsible for leaving them alone. They are not responsible for a potential abduction, or whatever happened to her after that. The creep who took her is responsible for that. Or would you prefer to see Kate and Gerry locked up and whoever took her be left of Scott free? After all, “they are responsible”.

Yes they made a massive mistake. You know that, I know that, everyfcukingone knows that. No one knows it more than they do as 13 years later they are still without their daughter. What purpose does it serve to continually shame them for that? They paid the ultimate price. It’s almost like people think because they left her they deserve to have lost her.
That’s messed up.

mgbgt1978 · 04-06-2020 09:27PM

sxt wrote: »

Speaking on the Maddie podcast, in a 2019 interview that has accurately foreshadowed today's developments, Mr Amaral confirmed the German had been on the Algarve.

"He was investigated by the [Policia Judiciaria, Portugal's police] at the time [and] when the case ended they discarded him," he said.

"The trailer that he lived in was taken to Germany for testing but nothing was found there."

https://amp.9news.com.au/article/0ea5ef10-8717-4cfb-adea-a1c8baf2d357

Just misunderstanding the Facts so....:rolleyes:.
Amaral said in 2019 that the Camper Van (I'm not going down the pidgeon english road and saying 'Trailer') had been examined in Germany . He deliberately didn't say when this happened. It has been widely reported that the German police were unable to find anything incriminating in the Camper due to the passage of time. This is because they didn't seize it until late 2018.

Can you show anything that even hints that this Camper was examined in 2007 ?

sxt · 04-06-2020 09:29PM

splinter65 wrote: »

If you think that’s a possibility then you need to have some idea how when and where it happened. I’ve asked you before to try and give me a time line. I’ve asked loads of people who don’t believe the McCanns over all these years and I never get an answer. To me if you can’t back up your allegations then your just smearing people.

That was the joint conclusion by both the British and Portuguese investigators involved in this case. This was thier conclusion after years of investigating. That was what they signed off on when they gave their final report to the Public prosecutor

uncleoswald · 04-06-2020 09:35PM

screamer wrote: »

Unless or until a body is found all any of us can do is speculate. Were the parents involved? Possibly, maybe not none of us know. Was she abducted? Possibly, maybe not again we don’t know.
So in the absence of knowing people speculate, it’s what we do, and no one has the high moral ground because none of us know what really happened.

No, there are people 'speculating' that they are positive the McCanns did it. And accusing them of doing it at every opportunity. They have the moral low ground.

I could 'speculate' that you did all manner of crimes.

Babooshka · 04-06-2020 09:37PM

sxt wrote: »

That was the joint conclusion by both the British and Portuguese investigators involved in this case. This was thier conclusion after years of investigating. That was what they signed off on when they gave their final report to the Public prosecutor

British investigation concluded that the McCanns did it....really???

sxt · 04-06-2020 09:38PM

mgbgt1978 wrote: »

Just misunderstanding the Facts so....:rolleyes:.
Amaral said in 2019 that the Camper Van (I'm not going down the pidgeon english road and saying 'Trailer') had been examined in Germany . He deliberately didn't say when this happened. It has been widely reported that the German police were unable to find anything incriminating in the Camper due to the passage of time. This is because they didn't seize it until late 2018.

Can you show anything that even hints that this Camper was examined in 2007 ?

Of course I can't, but if your being investigated in a high profile case like this.. I have to presume they would be interested in his camper van

And the vehicles and whereabouts of all other persons of interest in the area at the time

walshb · 04-06-2020 09:40PM

retro:electro wrote: »

They are responsible for leaving them alone. They are not responsible for a potential abduction, or whatever happened to her after that. The creep who took her is responsible for that. Or would you prefer to see Kate and Gerry locked up and whoever took her be left of Scott free? After all, “they are responsible”.

Yes they made a massive mistake. You know that, I know that, everyfcukingone knows that. No one knows it more than they do as 13 years later they are still without their daughter. What purpose does it serve to continually shame them for that? They paid the ultimate price. It’s almost like people think because they left her they deserve to have lost her.
That’s messed up.

They are responsible for their children’s safety..

And leaving three very young children alone and unattended is irresponsible...

Out of sight and ear shot. Not unattended in the next room..Out of sight!! Unreachable if anything g bad happened..

Yes, they didn’t abduct her. But their actions allowed someone else to..

I am not shaming them. I feel for them. Heartbreaking...But their choices led to the loss of that child.

And their choice was reckless and completely unnecessary..

sxt · 04-06-2020 09:42PM

Babooshka wrote: »

British investigation concluded that the McCanns did it....really???

Chief Inspector Tavares de Almeida told the court that he believed the couple, from Rothley, Leicestershire, were directly involved in Madeleine’s disappearance – a theory he said was shared by Portuguese and British officers working on the case.

He said: “The conclusion that was arrived at was that Madeleine McCann died at the apartment and the McCann couple simulated the abduction to hide the fact that they had not taken care of their children.

“There was a tragic accident in the apartment that night and they neglected the care of their children. It was the conclusion of both Portuguese and British police. We have always spoken of a tragic accidental death. There was no homicide.”

Madeleine McCann

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