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Madeleine McCann

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  • #302
    Babooshka
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,142 ✭✭✭Babooshka


    screamer wrote: »
    Again, it’s only speculation, nothing can or has been proven, and you’re letting yourself get riled up over it.
    I think more to myself when I read posts like this. what basic human decency did Madeline deserve? after all she paid the ultimate price the poor little thing.

    One deserving human decency doesn't mean the other doesn't. I am done here. I get riled up because I have a 4 yr old and I would claw anyone to death who hurt her. I feel physically sick when I think what may have happened this child. Like everyone else I've used my own judgement on this and I am sure in my heart that a horrible fate befell that poor child and her parents have suffered the lifelong agony of that and will until they die. I hope if there's any evidence on this guy that they make him suffer in any way they can. Anyone who hurts a child is a monster. That's why I get riled.


  • #303
    2u2me
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,693 ✭✭✭2u2me


    Babooshka wrote: »
    Many threads. Many many.

    Probably better to keep those conversations in other threads, I don't see it happening here.


  • #304
    Spanish Eyes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,130 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    Fact. Parents left their babies alone in a ground floor apartment that was unlocked.
    Fact. The checking was haphazard
    Fact. No one knows what happened. And probably never will either.

    Because there has been no resolution, speculation will continue. Fact. That is human nature.


  • #305
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,955 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    Fact. Parents left their babies alone in a ground floor apartment that was unlocked.
    Fact. The checking was haphazard
    Fact. No one knows what happened. And probably never will either.

    Because there has been no resolution, speculation will continue. Fact. That is human nature.

    You declare a load of facts but in the middle you say nobody knows

    Not sure how that works?


  • #306
    splinter65
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    Demonique wrote: »
    Because their negligence meant someone was able to abduct one of their children

    Do the Portuguese and British police know that you have evidence that the McCanns are guilty of child neglect??


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  • #307
    sonic85
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,404 ✭✭✭sonic85


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I totally disagree - I couldn't name any one of my acquaintances or relations that I think would do this, even before MM went missing. It's very abnormal to leave unattended kids alone. Even leaving abduction aside, what if they woke up or a fire started... Normal, nope.

    I could only get to page 12 of this thread before I had to post. 100% agree with this post - leaving babies/toddlers on their own is not in any way shape or form normal and it seems there are quite a few people in this thread that seem to do this regularly which is quite worrying. If you were at home and you had a baby or small toddler it would be very likely youd be checking them frequently and probably also have a monitor.

    Also there seems to be a massive discrepancy in how far the parents actually were from the room - I've seen 30m 80m and 100m mentioned so which is it lads? Not that it matters really. If a baby is left on its own it's on its own. I'd love to have seen the reaction though if it was Anto and Jacinta from a rough estate living on benefits that did what these two doctors did. I'd be willing to bet they'd be getting roasted from all sides and I doubt there would be many shrugs and people saying shur we all make mistakes.


  • #308
    callmehal
    Site Banned Posts: 461 ✭✭callmehal


    splinter65 wrote: »
    Do the Portuguese and British police know that you have evidence that the McCanns are guilty of child neglect??

    I've looked up the dictionary for you.

    Negligence - failure to take proper care over something. Clearly this is undisputable, they failed to take proper care of their children.

    Don't think the poster mentioned police.


  • #309
    Spanish Eyes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,130 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    You declare a load of facts but in the middle you say nobody knows

    Not sure how that works?

    Nope, I stated the facts as we know them. But if you know more than I do I welcome your views.

    It is a fact that the parents/siblings will probably never know what happened. But the actual facts of that night pre the abuction or whatever happened are there just the same.


  • #310
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,955 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    Nope, I stated the facts as we know them. But if you know more than I do I welcome your views.

    It is a fact that the parents/siblings will probably never know what happened. But the actual facts of that night pre the abuction or whatever happened are there just the same.

    You stated a load of “facts” you think you know

    The only fact which was correct was you have no idea. Best to leave it at that


  • #311
    the_pen_turner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,695 ✭✭✭the_pen_turner


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    You stated a load of “facts” you think you know

    The only fact which was correct was you have no idea. Best to leave it at that

    the first 2 of those facts are in the statements from the police reports . the mcganns themselves are stating this


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  • #312
    callmehal
    Site Banned Posts: 461 ✭✭callmehal


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    You stated a load of “facts” you think you know

    The only fact which was correct was you have no idea. Best to leave it at that

    Lets have a fact check:
    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    Fact. Parents left their babies alone in a ground floor apartment that was unlocked. FACT.
    Fact. The checking was haphazard FACT
    Fact. No one knows what happened. And probably never will either. NOT A FACT, SOMEONE KNOWS

    Because there has been no resolution, speculation will continue. Fact. FACT That is human nature.FACT

    4/5 of his statements were facts.


  • #313
    retro:electro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    sonic85 wrote: »
    I could only get to page 12 of this thread before I had to post. 100% agree with this post - leaving babies/toddlers on their own is not in any way shape or form normal and it seems there are quite a few people in this thread that seem to do this regularly which is quite worrying. If you were at home and you had a baby or small toddler it would be very likely youd be checking them frequently and probably also have a monitor.

    Also there seems to be a massive discrepancy in how far the parents actually were from the room - I've seen 30m 80m and 100m mentioned so which is it lads? Not that it matters really. If a baby is left on its own it's on its own. I'd love to have seen the reaction though if it was Anto and Jacinta from a rough estate living on benefits that did what these two doctors did. I'd be willing to bet they'd be getting roasted from all sides and I doubt there would be many shrugs and people saying shur we all make mistakes.

    What even is this point? And why do people make it like it’s never been brought up before? The McCanns were and continue to be roasted from all sides. So much so that it’s 13 years later and not five posts go past before someone brings up the same point again like it’s the first time we’ve ever heard it.

    The McCanns have actually faced a lot of inverse snobbery because of their position as doctors and shamed because they should have known better. I absolutely despise this “if they were from a council estate” argument like they haven’t lived a living hell with accusations that they killed their own child for the last 13 years.


  • #314
    expectationlost
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,545 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    so have they interviewed this guy?


  • #315
    Spanish Eyes
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    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    You stated a load of “facts” you think you know

    The only fact which was correct was you have no idea. Best to leave it at that

    Ah here. What the heck are you trying to say. There are facts out there you know, but you choose to ignore them.


  • #316
    Banana Republic.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,587 ✭✭✭Banana Republic.


    It seems at least 3 separate police forces believe Madeline is dead and the same suspect did it. If he did became this travelling hobo type thing as reported then he was planning something once he turned to that kind of life. Easy see how he could leave the area so quickly and then panic when every man and it’s dog in the world were looking for Maddie. The fact he’s away for other crimes could of hindered the suspicion of him cause he wasn’t free to do it again and not on the radar as a few man would be is my guess. It’s a bit more believable when a few police forces seem to agree. What a crazy year if Maddie is or her abductor is caught after all we’ve been through in 2020.


  • #317
    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts
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    retro:electro wrote: »
    What even is this point? And why do people make it like it’s never been brought up before? The McCanns were and continue to be roasted from all sides. So much so that it’s 13 years later and not five posts go past before someone brings up the same point again like it’s the first time we’ve ever heard it.

    The McCanns have actually faced a lot of inverse snobbery because of their position as doctors and shamed because they should have known better. I absolutely despise this “if they were from a council estate” argument like they haven’t lived a living hell with accusations that they killed their own child for the last 13 years.

    And as far as I recall, one of them is from a working class background, if not both of them. They’re hardly to the manor born.


  • #318
    ShatterAlan
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    screamer wrote: »
    Unless or until a body is found all any of us can do is speculate. Were the parents involved? Possibly, maybe not none of us know. Was she abducted? Possibly, maybe not again we don’t know.
    So in the absence of knowing people speculate, it’s what we do, and no one has the high moral ground because none of us know what really happened.

    I do think though, that even if a body is found, we’ll be no closer to knowing who was responsible for her death than we are now, as there will be no DNA or anything to analyse. I still think this will end in nothing, like so many other leads over the years.


    Simple question:


    If you were responsible, complicit even, in the death or abduction of your own child, for whatever reasons one can't imagine, would you for 13 years try to expose yourself?


  • #319
    ShatterAlan
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    armaghlad wrote: »
    So a known German paedophile was living in close proximity to the hotel. How did they not find this lead at the time?


    Because nobody witnessed the abduction?


    Chikkaltilo in Russia killed over 50 people in 5 to 7 years....and he lived next door to everyone.


  • #320
    castletownman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,314 ✭✭✭✭castletownman


    While I too would be critical of them leaving the kids unsupervised in the room, surely EVERY tragic, abnormal incident like this have a pile of "what ifs" linked to the grieving party?

    Like that poor five year old who drowned in a lake in Mayo last weekend- I bet his parents feel guilty for allowing him use an inflatable dinghy now. Adults can get into difficulty on them if they start to lose air.

    There was a child knocked down and killed in a car-park not far from me a couple of years ago during a summer BBQ or something like that. I am sure his parents never forgive themselves for not keeping a better eye on him.

    I listened to a podcast during the early stages of the lockdown called "Down the Hill" which explores the story of two teenage girls that went missing in a small town in America, and were found dead a day later. They were last seen by a sister of one of the girls who dropped them off at an abandoned railway bridge that is a popular "hangout spot". IF the sister was working that day instead and they couldn't get a lift there otherwise, they would be alive today. Is the sister culpable in their murder then?

    The fact is, virtually every crime needs a large slice of luck to go the way of the criminal (or misfortune go the way of the victim) for it to be "successful". From something bloodless like breaking and entering to the utterly unthinkable like child abduction. Its opportunism from the perpetrator, pure and simple. Like even Ted Bundy got caught because he botched an attempt on a potential victim and was uncharacteristically sloppy.


  • #321
    sonic85
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,404 ✭✭✭sonic85


    retro:electro wrote: »
    What even is this point? And why do people make it like it’s never been brought up before? The McCanns were and continue to be roasted from all sides. So much so that it’s 13 years later and not five posts go past before someone brings up the same point again like it’s the first time we’ve ever heard it.

    The McCanns have actually faced a lot of inverse snobbery because of their position as doctors and shamed because they should have known better. I absolutely despise this “if they were from a council estate” argument like they haven’t lived a living hell with accusations that they killed their own child for the last 13 years.


    I think you know the point I'm trying to make - you dont have to be obtuse. It has been brought up before - just like the way the McCanns they just made a mistake point which also seems to come up every 5 posts. Mistake....checked them regularly....sure everyone on holiday did it etc.

    You can despise it away to be honest - doesn't make it any less valid. Theres no doubt they've had a rough time of it but if you think their status as middle class doctors didn't afford them a slight degree of better treatment then I just think you're naive.


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  • #322
    2u2me
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,693 ✭✭✭2u2me


    ShatterAlan wrote: »
    Simple question:
    If you were responsible, complicit even, in the death or abduction of your own child, for whatever reasons one can't imagine, would you for 13 years try to expose yourself?

    I see where you are going here but I don't think, hypothetically speaking, guilty or innocent the parents would abandon the search.


  • #323
    sonic85
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,404 ✭✭✭sonic85


    castletownman wrote: »
    While I too would be critical of them leaving the kids unsupervised in the room, surely EVERY tragic, abnormal incident like this have a pile of "what ifs" linked to the grieving party?

    Like that poor five year old who drowned in a lake in Mayo last weekend- I bet his parents feel guilty for allowing him use an inflatable dinghy now. Adults can get into difficulty on them if they start to lose air.

    There was a child knocked down and killed in a car-park not far from me a couple of years ago during a summer BBQ or something like that. I am sure his parents never forgive themselves for not keeping a better eye on him.

    I listened to a podcast during the early stages of the lockdown called "Down the Hill" which explores the story of two teenage girls that went missing in a small town in America, and were found dead a day later. They were last seen by a sister of one of the girls who dropped them off at an abandoned railway bridge that is a popular "hangout spot". IF the sister was working that day instead and they couldn't get a lift there otherwise, they would be alive today. Is the sister culpable in their murder then?

    The fact is, virtually every crime needs a large slice of luck to go the way of the criminal (or misfortune go the way of the victim) for it to be "successful". From something bloodless like breaking and entering to the utterly unthinkable like child abduction. Its opportunism from the perpetrator, pure and simple. Like even Ted Bundy got caught because he botched an attempt on a potential victim and was uncharacteristically sloppy.


    Surely though you cant compare an actual accident to deliberately leaving babies on their own while you head off to wine and dine yourselves? What happened that night was 100% down to deliberate acts on behalf of everyone involved from the McCanns to the scumbag that possibly abducted the child


  • #324
    splinter65
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    the_pen_turner wrote: »
    the first 2 of those facts are in the statements from the police reports . the mcganns themselves are stating this

    You can’t even get the child’s name right.


  • #325
    the_pen_turner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,695 ✭✭✭the_pen_turner


    splinter65 wrote: »
    You can’t even get the child’s name right.

    oh i do apologize. how clumsy of me to make such an error.


  • #326
    ShineOn7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,550 ✭✭✭ShineOn7


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  • #327
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,955 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    Ah here. What the heck are you trying to say. There are facts out there you know, but you choose to ignore them.

    I’m saying, like everyone on here, you haven’t a clue. Neither do I. So you can quit with your Facts!!!


  • #328
    limnam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,345 ✭✭✭limnam


    John_Rambo wrote: »
    Yes, they probably dressed her in a short dress too.

    Probably "Asking for it" and the abductor was "only acting on his impulses" in your weird little perverse, warped, victim blaming internet world.

    When you decide to go out on the p|ss and not arrange child care for 3 kids under 4 leaving them home alone. Then yes. You're to blame.


  • #329
    John_Rambo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,529 ✭✭✭✭John_Rambo


    limnam wrote: »
    When you decide to go out on the p|ss and not arrange child care for 3 kids under 4 leaving them home alone. Then yes. You're to blame.

    Another strange, twisted & warped post.

    I'm inclined to lay the blame on peadophiles, murderers and child abductors for abducting, abusing and murdering children.


  • #330
    limnam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,345 ✭✭✭limnam


    John_Rambo wrote: »
    Another strange, twisted & warped post.

    I'm inclined to lay the blame on peadophiles, murderers and child abductors for abducting, abusing and murdering children.

    Oh yeah.

    Very strange and twisted. We should all fck off to the pub drinking leaving kids under 4 in an unlocked apartment in a foreign country.

    I'm off the bloody wall me. How I'm allowed parent I'll never know.


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  • #331
    John_Rambo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,529 ✭✭✭✭John_Rambo


    limnam wrote: »
    Oh yeah.

    Very strange and twisted. We should all fck off to the pub drinking leaving kids under 4 in an unlocked apartment in a foreign country.

    I'm off the bloody wall me. How I'm allowed parent I'll never know.

    I'm not questioning your parenting.

    I'm pretty sure you're an excellent, caring and loving parent. I certainly wouldn't want to get between you and your kids!!

    If I found one of our kids lost I'd do the right thing and your child would be safe.

    I don't think as a person you're off the wall or anything close to it, but I think you need to refocus your anger and fury to the actual monster that carried out this crime and to all the other monsters that prey on children, not to the parents of abused, abducted and murdered kids, whatever their mistakes or circumstances.


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