George Floyd dies after police knelt on his neck (MOD NOTE IN POST #1)

US Race demographics (2010-2015 approx, wikipedia)

73% White (17.3% are Hispanic)

12.6% Black

5.2% Asian

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From the FBI's 2011 statistics (% of offenders by race)

Murder/Negligent Murder

48% White

49.7% Black

1% Asian

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Forcible Rape:

65% White

32.9% Black

0.9% Asian

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Robbery:

43% White

55.6% Black

0.7% Asian

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Aggravated Assault:

63.9% White

33.6% Black

1% Asian

I couldn't find native American and Indian American stats but if they're not there we can assume they are pretty negligible. Are Asians and Indians that much better treated in America and suffer that much fewer incidents of racism than black people to account for these numbers?

CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

Not trying to justify it really don't get me wrong.

People have seen how over the top the police are over there I am just saying going out to protest now it not the smartest move.

I'm not saying you are, but the logic you are using there leads that way.

Saying people showing up on Bloody Sunday was 'not the smartest move' would be seen as victim blaming by many.

In the lead up to both last night and Bloody Sunday there were disturbances however the key difference for Bloody Sunday marches were banned while the protest last night was completely legal.

It is a sad place when victim blaming people who are peacefully protesting rather than pointing fingers at the police overreaction.

DelaneyIn wrote: »

Those crime stats are incredible. I don’t care what anyone says. Being poor doesn’t cause you to rape, assault or murder people.

I'd guess the stats would be worse for Ireland, especially when you take into account the high-life living of people on benefits in Ireland compared to the US.

cdeb wrote: »

Yeah, I can see how that could be a factor alright - but to me, that's not near enough to classify this as a race issue. In fact, doing so just takes away from the real issues and ensures nothing gets sorted

It would be difficult for me to paint the full picture at any length here. I guess you have to live it. I’ve watched police brutality all my life and it tends to have common undertones.

cdeb wrote: »

I don't really agree with the idea of stop and frisk - sounds a little bit too much like internment without trial - but if police were stopping people based roughly on the crime rates, then that's not racist. That's the police putting more priority on patrolling high crime areas, which is reasonable.

You're into a catch 22 there though - if you're actively to pursue crime specifically amongst one certain demographic, you're going to prosecute more crime against that demographic. if you spend 90% of your time stopping and harassing people with red hair wearing blue shirts, you're going to have a much higher crime stat for people with red hair and blue shirts.

Overheal wrote: »

You just heard about it! And it probably just happened. Not a little premature to condemn the Press?

It didnt just happen, I posted about it last night. Shot in the back of the head at point blank range. Outside of our local news, havent seen mention of it.

The suspect is in custody- 20 years old, just a kid. Thats 2 lives ruined, for what?

1800_Ladladlad wrote: »

And he received and still is receiving abuse for the black community. Also, they use mental illness as a weapon against the lad, which I find abhorrent.

The other side of that coin is “white guilt”

I honestly thought the election of Barack Obama as President back in 2009 mean that black people were finally the equal of their fellow Americans. This horrible case proves otherwise. Trump's response is to crack down on the protestors. Oh Donald how low the office of Presidency has sunk with you in the seat.

DelaneyIn wrote: »

Those crime stats are incredible. I don’t care what anyone says. Being poor doesn’t cause you to rape, assault or murder people.

Indeed - so perhaps there is something more? Some extra systemic oppression that occurs perhaps to poor black people as opposed to poor white people?

This is exactly what the problem is.

When numbers are that skewed, there has to be an underlying cause. Unless you are trying to argue that black people are inherently born evil? Because unless that's what you're saying, then there has to be something bigger going on within the country to young black men. And that is why there are mass protests across the country.

I disagree, poverty has a statistically significant relationship with crime. You reduce poverty, you will reduce crime.....to a degree. People only look at things through a single lens. Life is far more complicated and nuanced for that.

I commend the people out there peacefully protesting this man's unjust killing.

CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

Covid 19 job losses riots murders burning businesses down life in the United States is about to become a whole lot harder for everyone and people in poor black areas will be among those that feel it the hardest.

The media should be condemning these riots and doing their best to calm things down.

Condemning the protests would backfire. They are already condemning rioting.

batman75 wrote: »

I honestly thought the election of Barack Obama as President back in 2009 mean that black people were finally the equal of their fellow Americans. This horrible case proves otherwise. Trump's response is to crack down on the protestors. Oh Donald how low the office of Presidency has sunk with you in the seat.

I think a lot of people felt that way. Millions wept that night, with relief. The right proceeded to suggest we had just ushered in a post race society (we didn’t) and they later blamed obama for being the reason race relations deteriorated. I disagree. What happened is Obama pushed for police accountability, especially body cameras. What resulted is we began seeing what’s been happening in policing all along, and I think most people mistakingly attributed that to something progressives made happen - they made race relations worse, rather than shining light on how bad race relations had really still been, particularly in law enforcement.

1800_Ladladlad wrote: »

A woman who is part owner of this store, who works part time in said store is rightfully angery

https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1267903014221656064

I feel terrible for her. I hope they find and prosecute the white opportunists and other thugs who did that.