Is it just me or have SF vanished?

James Brown · 01-06-2020 03:41PM

Colonel Claptrap wrote: »

Very obvious which party he is referring to.

Why is that?

The Irish Times has been pretty biased. You may recall their front pages during the election. One day they'd four top stories they related to SF or the IRA in some form. SF didn't have the largest online presence during the election so might not be SF in this instance. But it's an opinion piece so anything goes.

Edgware · 01-06-2020 03:44PM

Bowie wrote: »

The Irish Times has been pretty biased. You may recall their front pages during the election. One day they'd four top stories they related to SF or the IRA in some form. SF didn't have the largest online presence during the election so might not be SF in this instance. But it's an opinion piece so anything goes.

They're all against the Shinners. They'll have to bring back their own weekly Beano

James Brown · 01-06-2020 03:51PM

Edgware wrote: »

They're all against the Shinners. They'll have to bring back their own weekly Beano

I don't think they are. It's more about keeping the status quo and SF are the biggest threat and easiest target. It does nothing for democracy to be so false. If it were PBP we'd have reds under the bed articles no doubt.

ThunbergsAreGo · 01-06-2020 04:20PM

Bowie wrote: »

I don't think they are. It's more about keeping the status quo and SF are the biggest threat and easiest target. It does nothing for democracy to be so false. If it were PBP we'd have reds under the bed articles no doubt.

Whoever the party in question is, its pretty much not acceptable.

Hopefully, if true and I have zero reason to doubt ir, some action is taken on it

Social media is a real cesspit

McMurphy · 01-06-2020 04:25PM

Is this the same lad jflash linked to?

Sadly Colm Kenna has become a very bitter Anti-Sinn Fein Irish Times Journalist. Why now Colm?]

James Brown · 01-06-2020 04:29PM

ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »

Whoever the party in question is, its pretty much not acceptable.

Hopefully, if true and I have zero reason to doubt ir, some action is taken on it

Social media is a real cesspit

It's an opinion piece. It's likely based on musings from the author.
Social Media is a great tool. Anyone can post an opinion and anyone can read it. Like society, we've all stripes. I've been able to contact and discuss issues with people I'd likely have never crossed paths with otherwise.
The danger is when people start believing everything they read. Not sure how different some posts are from some opinion pieces in the paper.

ThunbergsAreGo · 01-06-2020 04:48PM

Bowie wrote: »

It's an opinion piece. It's likely based on musings from the author.
Social Media is a great tool. Anyone can post an opinion and anyone can read it. Like society, we've all stripes. I've been able to contact and discuss issues with people I'd likely have never crossed paths with otherwise.
The danger is when people start believing everything they read. Not sure how different some posts are from some opinion pieces in the paper.

No doubt the above happened, opinion piece or not

Ah it has its good points the "no consequences" element is a bit much though, and the personal abuse given is ridiculous to what are people who have family's etc.

Agree that is the danger, but it's happening more and more that social media is THE news source for people.

ThunbergsAreGo · 01-06-2020 05:03PM

McMurphy wrote: »

Is this the same lad jflash linked to?

Sadly Colm Kenna has become a very bitter Anti-Sinn Fein Irish Times Journalist. Why now Colm?]

Well that was a whole lot of whataboutery.

I enjoyed when he referenced the "British Tory Times" and then used the Pound symbol to denote our currency.

Is it SF in the article?

James Brown · 01-06-2020 05:10PM

ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »

No doubt the above happened, opinion piece or not

Ah it has its good points the "no consequences" element is a bit much though, and the personal abuse given is ridiculous to what are people who have family's etc.

Agree that is the danger, but it's happening more and more that social media is THE news source for people.

Does personal abuse happen? Yep. Such is life.
I know. It's very scary. Like everything else those with the most money have the most pull except in the 'established' media not everyone gets a say.
SF didn't spend the most on social media but did very well despite that, so some people aren't easily swayed and will believe what they believe, which can be a good and bad thing depending on your views.

McMurphy · 01-06-2020 05:24PM

ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »

Well that was a whole lot of whataboutery.

I enjoyed when he referenced the "British Tory Times" and then used the Pound symbol to denote our currency.

Is it SF in the article?

You understand the definition of whataboutery yeah?

blanch152 · 01-06-2020 08:51PM

McMurphy wrote: »

Is this the same lad jflash linked to?

Sadly Colm Kenna has become a very bitter Anti-Sinn Fein Irish Times Journalist. Why now Colm?]

I got as far as the "British Tory Times" before stopping, as I have said many times, in before the "you are just a West Brit partitionist" insult pops along.

You timed that well.

Pretty pathetic that you link a name-calling idiot in response.

blanch152 · 01-06-2020 08:53PM

Bowie wrote: »

The Irish Times has been pretty biased. You may recall their front pages during the election. One day they'd four top stories they related to SF or the IRA in some form. SF didn't have the largest online presence during the election so might not be SF in this instance. But it's an opinion piece so anything goes.

Yeah, the Irish Times is biased, the Irish Independent is biased, the Daily Mail is biased, the Sindo is worst, only An Phravda prints the news as it should be.

We know the mantra well.

blanch152 · 01-06-2020 08:56PM

ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »

Well that was a whole lot of whataboutery.

I enjoyed when he referenced the "British Tory Times" and then used the Pound symbol to denote our currency.

Is it SF in the article?

Had to laugh when I read this and went back and checked. You are right!!! The "journalist" decrying what he sees as pro-British sentiment uses the £ sign instead of the € sign. So funny.

And then he prints the usual lie about "Sinn Fein and its members take the national wage salary of around £35,000 a year and the rest goes back to the party funding", omitting the following facts:

(1) It was never the case that any of them took the gross salary, like others on the industrial average, instead they took 35k net.
(2) It never applied to good republicans like Dessie Ellis and Aengus O'Snodaigh.
(3) It doesn't apply now

blanch152 · 01-06-2020 09:00PM

Bowie wrote: »

Does personal abuse happen? Yep. Such is life.
I know. It's very scary. Like everything else those with the most money have the most pull except in the 'established' media not everyone gets a say.
SF didn't spend the most on social media but did very well despite that, so some people aren't easily swayed and will believe what they believe, which can be a good and bad thing depending on your views.

Yes, indeed, personal abuse does happen.

Not so long ago, some fella thought it would be a bit of a laugh to take the Taoiseach's partner's name as his username, and not only did he indulge in the low-level homophobia of doing so, he ignored the potential personal harm he was doing to the Taoiseach's partner, in abusing his name like that. Not a care in the world for anyone else, just getting his jollies off at picking a username to personally abuse someone else.

That is the sort of low-level personal abuse that Sinn Fein supporters engage in on social media all of the time, before they move it up a few notches.

FrancieBrady · 01-06-2020 09:14PM

blanch152 wrote: »

Yeah, the Irish Times is biased, the Irish Independent is biased, the Daily Mail is biased, the Sindo is worst, only An Phravda prints the news as it should be.

We know the mantra well.

The writer of the intro to MLMD's interview in the Indo admitted that the Indo was biased.
And btw...'opinion' isn't news no matter what a few hacks too lazy to go out and investigate what is going on around might tell you.

Poor_old_gill · 01-06-2020 09:18PM

da_miser wrote: »

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/rise-in-pension-age-back-on-cards-due-to-cost-of-covid-19-39248786.html
Talk of raising the retirement age, if they do , SF will win in a landslide next election, no doubt about that

And SF will promise you round the clock bin men, etc.

https://youtu.be/ZRBH5vHhm4c
Homer Simpson does a Mary Lou

FrancieBrady · 01-06-2020 09:18PM

blanch152 wrote: »

Yes, indeed, personal abuse does happen.

Not so long ago, some fella thought it would be a bit of a laugh to take the Taoiseach's partner's name as his username, and not only did he indulge in the low-level homophobia of doing so, he ignored the potential personal harm he was doing to the Taoiseach's partner, in abusing his name like that. Not a care in the world for anyone else, just getting his jollies off at picking a username to personally abuse someone else.

That is the sort of low-level personal abuse that Sinn Fein supporters engage in on social media all of the time, before they move it up a few notches.

Taking somebody's name is 'low level homophobia'?

Aw now blanch...too much sun today?

blanch152 · 01-06-2020 09:19PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The writer of the intro to MLMD's interview in the Indo admitted that the Indo was biased.
And btw...'opinion' isn't news no matter what a few hacks too lazy to go out and investigate what is going on around might tell you.

Never read the article on MLMD because it was behind a paywall, but you have.

Ironic that someone who claims the Indo is biased is spending money on it.

Or do you have access to it some other way?

blanch152 · 01-06-2020 09:20PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Taking somebody's name is 'low level homophobia'? Aw now blanch...too much sun today?

I have consistently given the same opinion on that choice of username. It is an opinion that I sincerely hold, and I stand over it.

James Brown · 01-06-2020 09:21PM

blanch152 wrote: »

Yes, indeed, personal abuse does happen.

Not so long ago, some fella thought it would be a bit of a laugh to take the Taoiseach's partner's name as his username, and not only did he indulge in the low-level homophobia of doing so, he ignored the potential personal harm he was doing to the Taoiseach's partner, in abusing his name like that. Not a care in the world for anyone else, just getting his jollies off at picking a username to personally abuse someone else.

That is the sort of low-level personal abuse that Sinn Fein supporters engage in on social media all of the time, before they move it up a few notches.

You must stop using Varadkar's sexuality to score points. It's not civil and quite frankly pretty homophobic using it like that. I don't know why you persist in this lack of respect towards Varadkar and the gay community to try get one over or what ever. It's certainly shoehorned into this discussion. Shameful.

We were having a discussion about social media and here you are using Varadkar's sexuality for a 'win'.

piplip87 · 01-06-2020 09:23PM

I see the Shinners borrowing the "Corrupt Media" tactic from the Donald again.... Not surprising since he did attend a couple of fundraisers back in the Day.

FrancieBrady · 01-06-2020 09:24PM

blanch152 wrote: »

Never read the article on MLMD because it was behind a paywall, but you have.

Ironic that someone who claims the Indo is biased is spending money on it.

Or do you have access to it some other way?

I didn't the intro was on twitter somewhere and the writer (the current editor?) said that he realised the INdo had been biased in the past.

jm08 · 01-06-2020 09:26PM

blanch152 wrote: »

Never read the article on MLMD because it was behind a paywall, but you have.

Ironic that someone who claims the Indo is biased is spending money on it.

Or do you have access to it some other way?

It's available online through the Libraries.

FrancieBrady · 01-06-2020 09:27PM

blanch152 wrote: »

I have consistently given the same opinion on that choice of username. It is an opinion that I sincerely hold, and I stand over it.

I think it's you that has a wee issue with his sexuality to be honest. You are seeing homophobia if it is even mentioned.

blanch152 · 01-06-2020 09:33PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I think it's you that has a wee issue with his sexuality to be honest. You are seeing homophobia if it is even mentioned.

Sad.

Poor_old_gill · 01-06-2020 09:36PM

piplip87 wrote: »

I see the Shinners borrowing the "Corrupt Media" tactic from the Donald again.... Not surprising since he did attend a couple of fundraisers back in the Day.

Between this, the anti-vaccination stuff, the anti Semitic & anti immigrant stuff - serious alarm bells should be ringing.

It’s baffling that SF have managed to get the young vote out when they have members who openly push the above agenda.

Convincing the young liberal vote to vote for SF is akin to Trump convincing the working class Americans that he was their saviour - it defies logic

01-06-2020 09:38PM

blanch152 wrote: »

Yeah, the Irish Times is biased, the Irish Independent is biased, the Daily Mail is biased, the Sindo is worst, only An Phravda prints the news as it should be.

We know the mantra well.

If you understand the dictum of cultural hedgemony,then yes

May not apply.to all.their coverage,but the carry on boards and many of the mainstream media in the immediate aftermath of the election is a quintessential example of it and by-definition biased??

(As shinners are proposing something different to the establishment centre-right policices of ffg)

01-06-2020 09:40PM

Poor_old_gill wrote: »

Between this, the anti-vaccination stuff, the anti Semitic & anti immigrant stuff - serious alarm bells should be ringing.

It’s baffling that SF have managed to get the young vote out when they have members who openly push the above agenda.

Convincing the young liberal vote to vote for SF is akin to Trump convincing the working class Americans that he was their saviour - it defies logic

I severly doubt,you have too many neo-libs voting for the shinners tbh mate

James Brown · 01-06-2020 09:42PM

Poor_old_gill wrote: »

Between this, the anti-vaccination stuff, the anti Semitic & anti immigrant stuff - serious alarm bells should be ringing.

It’s baffling that SF have managed to get the young vote out when they have members who openly push the above agenda

I thought you were discussing FG there.
We had one chap saying SF supporters wouldn't be happy because SF were pro asylum seeker rights, because SF supporters are anti immigrant, (wha?).
Then we'd FG supporters calling shinners anti semetic...read up on your party history ffs..
Then it should be noted senior FG politicians had vaccine concerns.
FG got SF votes. They got FF votes too.

Poor_old_gill · 01-06-2020 09:44PM

Bowie wrote: »

I thought you were discussing FG there.
We had one chap saying SF supporters wouldn't be happy because SF were pro asylum seeker rights, because SF supporters are anti immigrant, (wha?).
Then we'd FG supporters calling shinners anti semetic...read up on your party history ffs..
Then it should be noted senior FG politicians had vaccine concerns.
FG got SF votes. They got FF votes too.

I’m not an FG or an FF supporter

Nice whataboutery attempt though

Is it just me or have SF vanished?

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