Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IV - Read OP for Mod Warnings

end of the road · 01-06-2020 10:49PM

road_high wrote: »

Just because one section of society can’t comply with the laws then why should the rest of us be forced to?

because the law still remains the law regardless of whether people break it or not.

road_high · 01-06-2020 10:51PM

end of the road wrote: »

because the law still remains the law regardless of whether people break it or not.

But why wouldn’t the Gardai enforce it? They were at the march but not enforcing the regulations- why not? They haven’t had a problem with other citizens. Like when they checked my mates car boot for shopping

iamwhoiam · 01-06-2020 10:53PM

At very bloody least Leo should be condemning the protest
Not a peep from him or from Simon who could tell us “ not to loose the run of ourselves “
People doing what was asked for 3 months now and staying away from parents and grandparents and not one single peep out of Leo to condemn the crowd gathering
So peed off now with it all . They can go and jump now

statesaver · 01-06-2020 10:53PM

Restrictions are over and Dublin virtual signallers ended them. PBP are organising more gatherings for next weekend.

end of the road · 01-06-2020 10:53PM

road_high wrote: »

But why wouldn’t the Gardai enforce it? They were at the march but not enforcing the regulations- why not? They haven’t had a problem with other citizens. Like when they checked my mates car boot for shopping

ask the gardai.
let us know what they say.

plodder · 01-06-2020 10:54PM

Arghus wrote: »

It's true, that we don't actually know the true rate of infection - but I think we can safely assume the vast, vast majority of the population weren't exposed. Even a figure of 15% means 85% weren't - so the potential was always there for literally thousands of more deaths.

Yes, but it has a big effect on the likely impact of a second wave. 15% is far from herd immunity, but it does reduce the impact, and I've seen one paper that says herd immunity could be reached with 43% infection.

growleaves · 01-06-2020 10:54PM

Racism is the real virus, guys.

We need to stop the spread...of hatred.

https://twitter.com/LeoVaradkar/status/1267567877282058242

Jayesdiem · 01-06-2020 10:56PM

For those unhappy about the protest, that’s understandable. However, be happy that it did actually happen because it shows lots of people couldn’t give a sh1t about social distancing (very good thing) and when you see that infections and death rates aren’t spiked by it, scared people might be inspired to step outside the house (even better thing).

road_high · 01-06-2020 10:57PM

growleaves wrote: »

Racism is the real virus, guys.

We need to stop the spread...of hatred.

https://twitter.com/LeoVaradkar/status/1267567877282058242

Sweet Jesus...has he nothing more pressing to be at? Always got the sense he had issues around his ethnicity.
Why is he not bothered about the breaking of regulations today in Dublin and lack of social distancing. Disgraceful pat on the head from Leo, two fingers to the rest of us.

statesaver · 01-06-2020 10:58PM

growleaves wrote: »

Racism is the real virus, guys.

We need to stop the spread...of hatred.

https://twitter.com/LeoVaradkar/status/1267567877282058242

What stupid language to use.

Arghus · 01-06-2020 11:00PM

Jayesdiem wrote: »

FFS you really are fcking paranoid. On our part of the island, 4.5 million could have theoretically died, or basically had potential exposure. 1600 of them died. Therefore that is the death rate, no ifs, buts or maybes. When you apply the <82 years correction, the risks to people below that age are so low as to be laughable. That’s why people are laughing at you.

I don't understand how you fail to understand my point.

1600 is a certain percentage of the population of Ireland - whatever it is 0.0035% or something similar - that's the percentage of people of people, relative to the population, who died in Ireland from Covid.

Yes, I know this: I don't dispute this.

My point is that you can't say that is the death rate in Ireland from Covid. It is a percentage of the population. It is not the death rate AKA the Infection Fatality Rate(IFR). The death rate is the percentage of people who are infected that die from the disease. That is not the same thing as a percentage of the population as a whole.

Naos · 01-06-2020 11:01PM

road_high wrote: »

Just because one section of society can’t comply with the laws then why should the rest of us be forced to?

Ever broke a speed limit in your life?

na1 · 01-06-2020 11:02PM

growleaves wrote: »

Racism is the real virus, guys.

We need to stop the spread...of hatred.

https://twitter.com/LeoVaradkar/status/1267567877282058242

Is he proposing 2m distance between blacks& whites?

Jayesdiem · 01-06-2020 11:02PM

Arghus wrote: »

I don't understand how you fail to understand my point.

1600 is a certain percentage of the population of Ireland - whatever it is 0.0035% or something similar - that's the percentage of people of people, relative to the population, who died in Ireland from Covid.

Yes, I know this: I don't dispute this.

My point is that you can't say that is the death rate in Ireland from Covid. It is a percentage of the population. It is not the death rate AKA the Infection Fatality Rate(IFR). The death rate is the percentage of people who are infected that die from the disease. That is not the same thing as a percentage of the population as a whole.

I do understand you but my simpler way is a better gauge of overall relative risk which, as I keep saying, is atomically small.

road_high · 01-06-2020 11:05PM

Naos wrote: »

Ever broke a speed limit in your life?

Taking this logic to its natural conclusion then we should never drive again. Seen as social distancing etc is all about “saving lives” and that was trampled all over today with support from Leo

Jayesdiem · 01-06-2020 11:08PM

road_high wrote: »

Taking this logic to its natural conclusion then we should never drive again. Seen as social distancing etc is all about “saving lives” and that was trampled all over today with support from Leo

Yes, the driving equivalent of social distancing is reducing all motorway speeds to 20km p/h from here on. The only difference is the speed thing would actually work.

MickeyLeari · 01-06-2020 11:09PM

growleaves wrote: »

Racism is the real virus, guys.

We need to stop the spread...of hatred.

https://twitter.com/LeoVaradkar/status/1267567877282058242

So now he is endorsing the protest yet keeps business closed?

PTH2009 · 01-06-2020 11:12PM

MickeyLeari wrote: »

So now he is endorsing the protest yet keeps business closed?

Sure wasn't he out in public last weekend. Surely he has a private residence with a big garden to hang out?

Were still one week away from entering phase 2 and then have to wait 3 more weeks til phase 3

na1 · 01-06-2020 11:19PM

MickeyLeari wrote: »

So now he is endorsing the protest yet keeps business closed?

Next time you've being stopped at Gardai checkpoint, tell them you're heading to join the protest march in ***.

growleaves · 01-06-2020 11:22PM

In normal times, it is usual to jump from one media obsession/phenomenon to another and people get so swept up in the new thing they instantly drop the old thing.

In this case it doesn't work that way, and sticks out like a sore thumb.

The powerful in media, government, officialdom have revealed the insincerity of their belief in social distancing. They have made the 'true believers' in restrictions look like utter fools.

Of course the virus isn't that serious for most people but we're still supposed to be pretending it is. Not a great look for that pretence to be suddenly dropped.

Naos · 01-06-2020 11:25PM

road_high wrote: »

Taking this logic to its natural conclusion then we should never drive again. Seen as social distancing etc is all about “saving lives” and that was trampled all over today with support from Leo

No, taking it to your logical conclusion would infer if you can speed, then why can't everyone else?

road_high wrote: »

Just because one section of society can’t comply with the laws then why should the rest of us be forced to?

I would imagine the Gardai didn't intervene because it would have caused a lot more problems than it would be worth.

irishproduce · 01-06-2020 11:25PM

road_high wrote: »

Just because one section of society can’t comply with the laws then why should the rest of us be forced to?

You could be talking about travellers there and the statement fits fine :pac:

road_high · 01-06-2020 11:27PM

growleaves wrote: »

In normal times, it is usual to jump from one media obsession/phenomenon to another and people get so swept up in the new thing they instantly drop the old thing.

In this case it doesn't work that way, and sticks out like a sore thumb.

The powerful in media, government, officialdom have revealed the insincerity of their belief in social distancing. They have made the 'true believers' in restrictions look like utter fools.

Of course the virus isn't that serious for most people but we're still supposed to be pretending it is. Not a great look for that pretence to be suddenly dropped.

Indeed RTE virtue signallers all but validating how wonderful these protesting saints were this evening. Not a mention of the list of regulations broken by the whole thing from travel distance to social distancing to exceeding group gathering numbers. An utter disgrace but not surprising. They’ll have a #blaclivesmatter replacing the #stayathome one soon

road_high · 01-06-2020 11:29PM

Naos wrote: »

No, taking it to your logical conclusion would infer if you can speed, then why can't everyone else?

I would imagine the Gardai didn't intervene because it would have caused a lot more problems than it would be worth.

That’s fine but if youre going to have laws you must impose them across the board regardless of difficulty.

growleaves · 01-06-2020 11:35PM

road_high wrote: »

That’s fine but if youre going to have laws you must impose them across the board regardless of difficulty.

Plus this was as public a flouting of laws as you can get, with protestors posing for TV crews.

The same laws are being used to bleed out small and medium businesses. To starve people of family contact and deny them health treatment.

Hopefully this will be a clarifying moment for some.

Arghus · 01-06-2020 11:35PM

Jayesdiem wrote: »

I do understand you but my simpler way is a better gauge of overall relative risk which, as I keep saying, is atomically small.

How is it a better gauge of overall relative risk if we don't know overall how many people in the population have been exposed and infected?

Penfailed · 01-06-2020 11:41PM

Viscount Aggro wrote: »

Massive rave going on earlier, flat complex near grand canal dock.
DJ with mixing desk and PA system.
Loads of people sitting together at close quarters.

Must've been a shíte rave if they were sitting down.

Naos · 01-06-2020 11:42PM

road_high wrote: »

That’s fine but if youre going to have laws you must impose them across the board regardless of difficulty.

I'm 50:50, I agree with you but at the same time feel there is a time and a place.

While every law should be held 99% of the time, there's always that 1% where there should be flexibility, someone slightly speeding to get to the accident site of a loved one for example.

I just think in this instance, considering what the protest was about, those protesting would have used it as an excuse to react and it would have ignited into something much worse than just letting them march.

road_high · 01-06-2020 11:44PM

growleaves wrote: »

Plus this was as public a flouting of laws as you can get, with protestors posing for TV crews.

The same laws are being used to bleed out small and medium businesses. To starve people of family contact and deny them health treatment.

Hopefully this will be a clarifying moment for some.

Think it is. A lot of people that have had genuine Bona fide held convictions about the lockdown and how it’s the right thing to do seem genuinely floored and betrayed by what was allowed go on today. Bit like the betrayal you feel when you found out Santy wasn’t real I think

Muscles Schultz · 01-06-2020 11:45PM

growleaves wrote: »

Plus this was as public a flouting of laws as you can get, with protestors posing for TV crews.

The same laws are being used to bleed out small and medium businesses. To starve people of family contact and deny them health treatment.

Hopefully this will be a clarifying moment for some.

I’d say a few people will have their curtains twitched off themselves and the hands full of welts with all the goings on !

Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IV - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IV - Read OP for Mod Warnings