Relaxation of Restrictions, Part III - Read OP for Mod Warnings

tayto lover · 29-05-2020 02:09PM

SusieBlue wrote: »

If they reported the amount of people diagnosed with various cancers, heart disease etc or the amount of people suffering stokes every day the way they report covid-19 cases, no one would ever get up out of bed again.
Same goes for those who pass away, if we included the numbers of people who died each day from other causes in our daily news bulletin there would be such a fear that no one would ever want to ever leave the house again.

It’s just pure and utter scaremongering now. Coronavirus isn’t the only thing that you can suffer from or die of.

You can’t catch cancer, strokes or even injuries from many people so you have no need to avoid them for those reasons.
You’re the one scaremongering now.
I’m no expert on Covid-19 so I rely on the experts for my advice.

the kelt · 29-05-2020 02:20PM

paw patrol wrote: »

i was in dunnes yest about 18.30 in swords , the fear and panic ingrained on people's faces is bizarre. Glaring at others with masks rammed on their faces. That's the real pandemic

Oh I got a dose of it today.

It’s my daughters birthday and there’s a local garden and cafe that have started up again doing takeaway food etc and a great line of takeaway smoothies.

So as treat I brought my two daughters this morning around 11 or so for a smoothie whilst mammy finishes the birthday cake and to give her a bit of peace.

So as I que for the smoothie an atypical Karen or a stfah Sharon from Facebook as I refer to them turns to me as I stand with my kids and she’s fully kitted out with mask gloves and the lot, looks me up and down and with a scowl asks “should they really be out with you?”

So a bit taken aback I said excuse me, she grunts and said “at the very least they should be wearing masks even though it’s is school time and I suppose no school as you’re down for the weekend anyway as she nods at my car”

Of course it’s then I realise my reg is a 192 D reg car as she nods to it.

So I said told both of my girls that maybe they should wait by the picnic bench that was in the shade rather than standing in the sun with me and I let Karen/Sharon have it with both barrels.

Told her she would be better off minding her own business to begin with and if she had any kind of wit or brains she could plainly see the sticker on the car and where it’s actually bought and do I sound like I’m from Dublin albeit probably not as diplomatically as that to be fair.

This results in Karen actually asking for the owner/manager I sh1t you not, of course when he comes we actually know each other well so he greets me says hello and she tells him it’s not right that me and my kids are allowed in here with others with no masks and when she asked me about it I abused her and told her to mind my own business. She queries whether I’m even within my 5k

The manager again looks at me, I tell him the story and he informs Karen that there’s no rules in regarding to masks or bringing kids and what’s more he knows me and knows I’m well within the 5k limit etc.

The funny thing is after queuing Karen turns on her heels, storms out and me and the manager look at each other trying to figure out who the hell she is.

They’re everywhere, the whole lockdown has actually given them a reason to exist.

Micky 32 · 29-05-2020 02:25PM

I see the gards threathening fines if the 5km is broken . What happened to the educate, advise and fines as a last resort BS?

BattleCorp · 29-05-2020 02:27PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

I see the gards threathening fines if the 5km is broken . What happened to the educate, advise and fines as a last resort BS?

Because the Irish attitude is I'll get a warning, then I'll get another one, and then he'll give me a chance, and then he will give me one last warning, and then I'll be able to get out of a fine because my cousin's nephew's friend's neighbour is a Garda.

Micky 32 · 29-05-2020 02:28PM

BattleCorp wrote: »

Because the Irish attitude is I'll get a warning, then I'll get another one, and then he'll give me a chance, and then he will give me one last warning, and then I'll be able to get out of a fine because my cousin's nephew's friend's neighbour is a Garda.

Well the government shouldn’t tell lies then.

BattleCorp · 29-05-2020 02:29PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

Well the government shouldn’t tell lies then.

And people should obey the law.

is_that_so · 29-05-2020 02:29PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

I see the gards threathening fines if the 5km is broken . What happened to the educate, advise and fines as a last resort BS?

It's a BH! They tend to get more vocal and aggressive around them!

stephenjmcd · 29-05-2020 02:30PM

https://twitter.com/MichealLehane/status/1266348768615698432?s=19

Ginger n Lemon · 29-05-2020 02:33PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

https://twitter.com/MichealLehane/status/1266348768615698432?s=19

Damn you beat me to it.

F YESSSS F YESSSS

"Private hospitals ‘takeover’ by State will not be extended past June
Deal came under fire over its cost and the lack of use of much private hospital capacity"

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/private-hospitals-takeover-by-state-will-not-be-extended-past-june-1.4265777

Step in a right direction, and a one that will save 115m + per month of taxpayers money starting 1 July onwards.

PS seems like they either have no money (which is true) or that they dont envisage a 2nd wave (which is also probably true, except Tony)

Micky 32 · 29-05-2020 02:34PM

BattleCorp wrote: »

And people should obey the law.

Well If they didn’t tell lies in the first place maybe people would more likely obey that law rather than thinking they’ll get a warning.

BattleCorp · 29-05-2020 02:40PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

Well If they didn’t tell lies in the first place maybe people would more likely obey that law rather than thinking they’ll get a warning.

Most Gardai would give you a warning if you weren't acting the boll1x.

growleaves · 29-05-2020 02:44PM

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batman_oh · 29-05-2020 02:47PM

BattleCorp wrote: »

And people should obey the law.

Like all those feral knackers running rampant in certain areas that are allowed to do as they please racking up hundreds of convictions?
Yep, they should

Stark · 29-05-2020 02:50PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

I see the gards threathening fines if the 5km is broken . What happened to the educate, advise and fines as a last resort BS?

Where did you see that? Many gardaí have been making it up as they go along from what I've seen.

fleet_admiral · 29-05-2020 02:51PM

growleaves wrote: »

He shouldn't be going down chimneys making multiple non-essential visits to households anyway. The North Pole is perfect for quarantining.

Nobody has asked whether poor santy has diabetes or gets carbon monoxide poisoning every Christmas

dalyboy · 29-05-2020 03:05PM

BattleCorp wrote: »

And people should obey the law.

And it’s a law I break proudly. I have to travel 15kms to see my kids. If I get fined I’ll rip it up. Not one cent of a fine would I pay for my parental responsibilities.

Jinglejangle69 · 29-05-2020 03:17PM

South Korea closed 100s of schools, museums restaurants as second wave hits after easing of restrictions.

Sean 18 · 29-05-2020 03:17PM

If they can't relax the rules in the summer we haven't a hope when the winter comes they'll be telling us to stay inside from September to next May or June

KrustyUCC · 29-05-2020 03:19PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

https://twitter.com/MichealLehane/status/1266348768615698432?s=19

What a joke of a deal that was

Waste of tax payers money

plodder · 29-05-2020 03:22PM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

What a joke of a deal that was

Waste of tax payers money

In fairness, they didn't know what was coming. Right decision to pull out now though.

stephenjmcd · 29-05-2020 03:23PM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

South Korea closed 100s of schools, museums restaurants as second wave hits after easing of restrictions.

They're not calling it a second wave at all. It's a cluster of cases linked to a distribution centre where an employee was forced to go into work while sick. They're being cautious for the next 2 weeks and most restrictions are only in Seoul with only some places closing. All employees at the distribution centre and their contacts are being traced and tested.

55 new cases today and 177 over 3 days in a population of over 50 million, far from a second wave now is it ?? Read past the headline

setanta1984 · 29-05-2020 03:24PM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

South Korea closed 100s of schools, museums restaurants as second wave hits after easing of restrictions.

They closed them in the Seoul metropolitan area only, after they had 79 new cases in a day in a country of 51 million - hardly the definition of a second wave now is it?

And they didn't close restaurants either, just museums, parks, and art galleries

https://www.euronews.com/2020/05/28/coronavirus-restrictions-return-in-south-korea-after-new-spike-in-covid-19-cases

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/28/south-korea-faces-return-to-coronavirus-restrictions-after-spike-in-new-cases

Irish Aris · 29-05-2020 03:25PM

I reckon this BH weekend will be the last big push for Garda check points.
I think that if phase 2 proceeds as initially planned, with more shops reopening and travelling distance up to 20 km, it will be increasingly difficult for AGS to police this.

I still think that the 20 km rule should be done with altogether in phase 2, although I don't see it happening. As "fatigue" will continue building up, more people will end up breaking the distance rule - and I include myself on that list, already 10 weeks of no real interaction with friends, so I plan to travel to Dublin and meet them in June between phases 2 and 3 - obviously maintaining the rest of the protocol about distance (and I will also wear a mask on the bus). Thank God that work has kept me busy the last couple of weeks.

I understand that the whole idea of travel restrictions was to assist with the contact tracing (so the authorities wouldn't have to "chase" people around the country), but if 2.5 months down the road they don't have the contact tracing in place, I doubt they ever will.

plodder · 29-05-2020 03:26PM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

South Korea closed 100s of schools, museums restaurants as second wave hits after easing of restrictions.

They are reacting quickly and in specific areas only. That is good imo.

Ginger n Lemon · 29-05-2020 03:27PM

setanta1984 wrote: »

They closed them in the Seoul metropolitan area only, after they had 79 new cases in a day in a country of 51 million - hardly the definition of a second wave now is it?

https://www.euronews.com/2020/05/28/coronavirus-restrictions-return-in-south-korea-after-new-spike-in-covid-19-cases

News outlets are really squeezing headlines now arent they. The minute there are 3 new cases on Madagascar island we will hear about it, lock up your children.

FishOnABike · 29-05-2020 03:27PM

dalyboy wrote: »

And it’s a law I break proudly. I have to travel 15kms to see my kids. If I get fined I’ll rip it up. Not one cent of a fine would I pay for my parental responsibilities.

Travel for child access has been one of the allowed exceptions to the non-essential travel restrictions from the very beginning. It's in the legislation which brought in the emergency restrictions - section 4.2(n) of SI 121 of 2020.

4. (1) An applicable person shall not leave his or her place of residence without reasonable excuse.

(2) Without prejudice to the generality of what constitutes a reasonable excuse for the purposes of paragraph (1), such reasonable excuse includes an applicable person leaving his or her place of residence (in this paragraph referred to as the “relevant residence”) to -
.
.
.
(n) if the applicable person is a parent or guardian of a child, or a person having a right of access to a child, give effect to arrangements for access to the child by

(i) the applicable person, or

(ii) another person who is -

(I) a parent or guardian of the child, or

(II) a person having a right of access to the child,

is_that_so · 29-05-2020 03:27PM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

What a joke of a deal that was

Waste of tax payers money

Good call to get into it and just as good a call to get out of it now. Better to be accused of overreacting as they say.

stephenjmcd · 29-05-2020 03:28PM

setanta1984 wrote: »

They closed them in the Seoul metropolitan area only, after they had 79 new cases in a day in a country of 51 million - hardly the definition of a second wave now is it?

And they didn't close restaurants either, just museums, parks, and art galleries

https://www.euronews.com/2020/05/28/coronavirus-restrictions-return-in-south-korea-after-new-spike-in-covid-19-cases

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/28/south-korea-faces-return-to-coronavirus-restrictions-after-spike-in-new-cases

Yup and 177 in the last 3 days. Cant exactly call that a wave. It's the same as a handful of cases here

Multipass · 29-05-2020 03:28PM

the kelt wrote: »

Oh I got a dose of it today.

It’s my daughters birthday and there’s a local garden and cafe that have started up again doing takeaway food etc and a great line of takeaway smoothies.

So as treat I brought my two daughters this morning around 11 or so for a smoothie whilst mammy finishes the birthday cake and to give her a bit of peace.

So as I que for the smoothie an atypical Karen or a stfah Sharon from Facebook as I refer to them turns to me as I stand with my kids and she’s fully kitted out with mask gloves and the lot, looks me up and down and with a scowl asks “should they really be out with you?”

So a bit taken aback I said excuse me, she grunts and said “at the very least they should be wearing masks even though it’s is school time and I suppose no school as you’re down for the weekend anyway as she nods at my car”

Of course it’s then I realise my reg is a 192 D reg car as she nods to it.

So I said told both of my girls that maybe they should wait by the picnic bench that was in the shade rather than standing in the sun with me and I let Karen/Sharon have it with both barrels.

Told her she would be better off minding her own business to begin with and if she had any kind of wit or brains she could plainly see the sticker on the car and where it’s actually bought and do I sound like I’m from Dublin albeit probably not as diplomatically as that to be fair.

This results in Karen actually asking for the owner/manager I sh1t you not, of course when he comes we actually know each other well so he greets me says hello and she tells him it’s not right that me and my kids are allowed in here with others with no masks and when she asked me about it I abused her and told her to mind my own business. She queries whether I’m even within my 5k

The manager again looks at me, I tell him the story and he informs Karen that there’s no rules in regarding to masks or bringing kids and what’s more he knows me and knows I’m well within the 5k limit etc.

The funny thing is after queuing Karen turns on her heels, storms out and me and the manager look at each other trying to figure out who the hell she is.

They’re everywhere, the whole lockdown has actually given them a reason to exist.

My answer to those people has been
‘Don’t you realize that talking spreads the virus, don’t speak to me!’
It’s worked a charm.

stephenjmcd · 29-05-2020 03:31PM

Irish Aris wrote: »

I reckon this BH weekend will be the last big push for Garda check points.
I think that if phase 2 proceeds as initially planned, with more shops reopening and travelling distance up to 20 km, it will be increasingly difficult for AGS to police this.

I still think that the 20 km rule should be done with altogether in phase 2, although I don't see it happening. As "fatigue" will continue building up, more people will end up breaking the distance rule - and I include myself on that list, already 10 weeks of no real interaction with friends, so I plan to travel to Dublin and meet them in June between phases 2 and 3 - obviously maintaining the rest of the protocol about distance (and I will also wear a mask on the bus). Thank God that work has kept me busy the last couple of weeks.

I understand that the whole idea of travel restrictions was to assist with the contact tracing (so the authorities wouldn't have to "chase" people around the country), but if 2.5 months down the road they don't have the contact tracing in place, I doubt they ever will.

Checkpoints are being scaled down this weekend, they've not got the man power to have them at the same levels as the last few bank holidays, overtime isn't being approved. The commissioner has been fairly upfront in saying it's getting harder to enforce the restrictions

Irish times
"While an enforcement operation will be in place this weekend, it is expected to be on a smaller scale and will focus on road safety rather than enforcing the movement restrictions."

Relaxation of Restrictions, Part III - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part III - Read OP for Mod Warnings