Relaxation of Restrictions, Part III - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

Micky 32 wrote: »

He’s doing his best to get around it. I think there are proposals on the table for the cabinet ( so i read on the RTE app), he seems optimistic to get it through.

There'll be no cabinet to get it to, the current one will be gone shortly. They knocked it back last week and if it was tricky legally in March and still is now not much will change

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Damn. Ireland has a lot of Polish people that will be flying to Poland for their summer holidays, bringing back covid to us. Unless we ban all of them from returning or quarantine them in a government facility upon arrival we cant be sure that covid is eradicated from the community.

The sort of thing Tony Hitler would say.

The irony is I will be moving lock stock and barrel , to Poland in July.
Personal family reasons nothing to with covid-19 thankfully.
But the restrictions in Ireland just make things so hard to spend time with family friends ect

Joe McHugh has come out and said schools can’t reopen while the 2m rule stands

I notice eastern and central Europeans living in Ireland particularly worried and vocal about the never ending lockdown here. Sensible people, they've lived under real police states and see what they lead to. Also many are disproportionately affected due to the industries our migrants tend to work in...#allinitogether...my arse:rolleyes:

is_that_so wrote: »

Well that's decent as they are a hard audience to please, ever! In real life you'd expect to see similar. They were calm and did well enough in the sense that we never saw the worst of it seen elsewhere. They'll still get brownie points for the cautious approach out of it. Many people are not itching to be in "normality".

The comments section in The Journal are usually ridiculous, out of touch with most of Irish society and those who work, and are negative about everything. Could it be the same group are delighted to be on €350 a week while enjoying the fine weather and want it to continue as long as possible?

It is no surprise that 70% of the population are happy with the governments handling. Apart from those who appear to enjoy or are indeed better off in lockdown, dont underestimate the impact that fear has had on people's thinking - the constant news (and advertisements) cycle is similar to propaganda I used to watch on Chinese state television when visiting there. I wonder will the report from Italy today (where 90% of people who died had 3 underlying conditions and the average age was 80) surface on George Lee's report?

road_high wrote: »

I notice eastern and central Europeans living in Ireland particularly worried and vocal about the never ending lockdown here. Sensible people, they've lived under real police states and see what they lead to. Also many are disproportionately affected due to the industries our migrants tend to work in...#allinitogether...my arse:rolleyes:

Also noticed that, i’m one of them, we’re not easily scarred either

Hurrache wrote: »

Can you imagine if they didn't release the numbers provided at daily press briefings specifically on Covid-19? You'd be complaining that they're scaring people by keeping the numbers secret.

By what actual good does this daily bombardment of bad news do to people only to put more fear into people ( and maybe to prompt them to stay indoors)?
Couldn't they just do a weekly report of figures?

bush wrote: »

71% of people delighted to be sitting on their holes with lovely weather.

All being paid for with borrowed money.

Will be fascinating to see the satisfaction levels when the bill arrives.

I'm sure all the lockdown-fanboys will be delighted with massive increased taxes and cuts to spending.

growleaves wrote: »

We’re all in the big numbers now: Adding up the damage Britain’s Covid-19 policies have caused

Imperial College haven’t had a good war, and after their performance in other recent epidemics perhaps they will now pass their mantle onto another team. Preferably one that can code to levels fit for publication, never mind policy: it is increasingly awkward to hear the Prime Minister quoting their forecast that, were it not for lockdown, the UK could have been looking at half a million deaths when, at the tail-end of the epidemic, there are only 320,000 deaths worldwide.

But there is more to science than models, and the most accurate analysts were those who relied on other pillars of science than complicated models when input parameters were close to unknown (“garbage in, garbage out”). Science does not only proceed from models after all: it also has, inter alia, experiments, defaults (“null hypotheses”), controls and historical context.

i think thats the problem all along without huge testing figures any analysis is almost guess work.

i dont think anyone has a handle on transmission vectors and what real world solutions will slow/stop thgis, the only thing we do seem to know that its hit certain parts of the community very hard

One FG minister is unhappy with proceedings

“I am baffled as to why we should be going against the WHO on this, considering that the Irish NPHET have found a 'lack of evidence' in differentiating between the benefit of a one versus two-metre distance.

"This small change to policy could and would have a massive impact on the ability of our SME’s and restaurants to trade, for our healthcare staff to treat patients, and for students to return education,” Mr Halligan said.

The minister, who has decided to retire from politics and did not stand at the last election, said he has been contacted by a litany of SME’s, not-for-profits and charitable organisations facing an existential threat as result of the lockdown.

It was recently reported that Ireland could see as many as 1,800 hundred cancer deaths as a result of the people’s inability to obtain a GP’s referral.

“Is this a reasonable price to pay? Presumably, there will also be an increase in those dying from other treatable illnesses,” Mr Halligan asked.

"Indeed, someone very close to me has been left in perpetual agony due to the cancellation of an elective operation on his back,” he said."

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/minister-breaks-ranks-and-calls-for-social-distancing-rules-to-be-relaxed-1002090.html

seamus wrote: »

Everyone is upset with the current measures.

Everyone would rather we weren't in this situation.

It says a lot when windbags imagine that there's some massive cohort of people raking in the cash and partying through this and never want it to end.

There's a difference between being happy with the situation, and supporting the measures that have been taken so far.

You need some mad level of seige mentality to claim that you're part of a special minority who are suffering through this, and everyone else is having a grand old laugh.

jaysis wept:rolleyes:

castletownman wrote: »

It's crazy how many countries, some who were hell on earth in terms of daily cases and deaths compared to us, can get back to normality quicker than ourselves. The irony is, if the EU made it mandatory to re-open economies and abolish social distancing, we'd be our usual lap dog self kowtowing to the boss.

We will be the laughing stock of Europe by the time this madness ends.

Make your minds up and come to a consensus, seems to change with every post.

Are we comparing ourselves to other countries, or not, or just when it suits? It tends to be overwhelmingly the latter

seamus wrote: »

Everyone is upset with the current measures.

Everyone would rather we weren't in this situation.

It says a lot when windbags imagine that there's some massive cohort of people raking in the cash and partying through this and never want it to end.

There's a difference between being happy with the situation, and supporting the measures that have been taken so far.

You need some mad level of seige mentality to claim that you're part of a special minority who are suffering through this, and everyone else is having a grand old laugh.

200,000 who get more money from sitting at home with 350 euro a week are having a grand old laugh. There will be hysteria of laughs if/when this is extended for them.

The stupidity of our government to allow this in the first place is, laughable, in fairness.

And to be honest I think that majority of people who are complaining about these measures are taxpayers who get very little to no respect for being taxpayers and supporting this whole luxury of 350 euro a week for every Tom Dick and Harry (we have plenty of foreign students claiming 350 euro a week, do we laugh or cry about that given that those students wanted to depart anyways but stayed for the 350 euro weekly gift)

Or, parents of 20, 25 year olds who will be unemployed now for years to come and live with those parents for years. And that is, to be honest, extremely sad whether you are pro or anti lockdown.