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    #2492
    2u2me
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,693 ✭✭✭2u2me


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    No they don't. Taiwan has had coronavirus cases and deaths. Biden is 100% correct. Viruses don't stop at borders or walls. Fact.

    Bull****, that statement is beyond disingenuous.

    Population 23.78million.

    441 cases, 7 deaths.

    Proximity to China: nobody is closer.


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    #2493
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users Posts: 14,360 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    2u2me wrote: »
    Bull****, that statement is beyond disingenuous.

    Population 23.78million.

    441 cases, 7 deaths.

    Proximity to China: nobody is closer.

    So you know that they did have cases and deaths from coronavirus. Which proves Biden's point. Viruses don't respect borders and walls. Fact. Good that we agree.


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    #2494
    2u2me
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,693 ✭✭✭2u2me


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    So you know that they did have cases and deaths from coronavirus. Which proves Biden's point. Viruses don't respect borders and walls. Fact. Good that we agree.

    I seen you've gone back to fantasy land where science doesn't exist.

    What do you think Taiwan's infection rate would be today if they hadn't cancelled travel incoming from China?


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    #2495
    Leroy42
    Registered Users Posts: 15,506 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    2u2me wrote: »
    I seen you've gone back to fantasy land where science doesn't exist.

    What do you think Taiwan's infection rate would be today if they hadn't cancelled travel incoming from China?

    If you believe that, then given that the US has it own borders, then Trump is wholly responsible for allowing the virus to enter the US.

    He had prior warning but chose not to act.


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    #2496
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users Posts: 14,360 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    2u2me wrote: »
    I seen you've gone back to fantasy land where science doesn't exist.

    What do you think Taiwan's infection rate would be today if they hadn't cancelled travel incoming from China?

    Which has nothing whatsoever to do with Biden's point. But you know that.


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    #2497
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    lord quackinton wrote: »
    part of the discussion of americas response to the covid virus is who will be americas next president? will the virus and trumps response help get biden elected?


    i want to discuss biden and his use of the virus to help him get elected
    in this thread

    if any mod has an issue with this please state your bias now or forever hold your peace.


    my posts have no been worse then alot of the posts on here about trump.
    also i have not personally attacked any posters here, i did report posts on personal attacks on me and no mod action was taken. fair enough at least i know what this thread is.


    we should be able to discuss this link as it all part of the covid fallout -

    what is obvious about this is china dont want trump in power, they want biden as he and his fellow democrats are no threat to China and even worse many of them are bought and paid for by the CCP.
    I



    https://www.foxnews.com/world/china-warns-us-against-sparking-cold-war

    Why did you quote me if you were going to reply to none of what I said?


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    #2498
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    Blueshoe wrote: »
    What does Biden know about pandemics?

    Did he study medicine or the required course as part of the 3 degrees he got ? Or is it because he was around during the v918 Spanish flu?
    Even if he knows **** all he knows more than trump.

    Trump is in negative knowledge at this stage.

    Btw , theres a 4 year age gap between Biden and trump. I know in propaganda circles that's like 100 years but you need to stop parotting everything trump says and actually think for yourself.


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    #2499
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users Posts: 14,360 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    Even if he knows **** all he knows more than trump.

    Trump is in negative knowledge at this stage.

    It was a very erudite and thoughtful article which laid out Obama's (and Biden's) belief that pandemics should be dealt with collaboratively and globally with the US leading the way. In contrast with Trump's slashing of the CDC, withdrawing cooperation with WHO, stating that the virus was a hoax, blaming everybody else etc.


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    #2500
    Beasty
    Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 75,601 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    lord quackinton wrote: »
    if any mod has an issue with this please state your bias now or forever hold your peace.
    If you have a question for mods, PM me or one of the other mods

    All election talk to be in the Current Affairs forum, and not here


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    #2501
    plodder
    Registered Users Posts: 7,146 ✭✭✭plodder


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    Have a read of this. Then ask yourself this question: Could Trump could write the same? Answer is 'No'. Not in a month of Sundays.
    That's impressive, all the more so that it was written in January, when China had only 80 deaths.

    I've seen clips of speeches given by Obama, and even George W Bush (back in 2005) that were remarkably prescient, predicting a pandemic like this, which goes to show that Trump is the odd one out. The awful spectre with the US is they won't be as well prepared for the second wave precisely because it interferes with Trump's re-election plans.


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    #2502
    hotmail.com
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    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    It was a very erudite and thoughtful article which laid out Obama's (and Biden's) belief that pandemics should be dealt with collaboratively and globally with the US leading the way. In contrast with Trump's slashing of the CDC, withdrawing cooperation with WHO, stating that the virus was a hoax, blaming everybody else etc.


    Best for all of us if US didn't lead the way. Their version of healthcare is a lot different to Europe's.


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    #2503
    2u2me
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,693 ✭✭✭2u2me


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    Which has nothing whatsoever to do with Biden's point. But you know that.

    If that wasn't his point; what was his point?

    My understanding is that he was being critical of Trump's early policy to quarantine for 14 days anyone arriving from China. This is a policy supported in Science.


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    #2504
    MadYaker
    Registered Users Posts: 12,167 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    2u2me wrote: »
    If that wasn't his point; what was his point?

    My understanding is that he was being critical of Trump's early policy to quarantine for 14 days anyone arriving from China. This is a policy supported in Science.

    If you think thats all Taiwan did to control the pandemic you’ve no idea of the situation there. You’re grasping.

    Like all trump supporters you cherry pick one measure and focus entirely on that, refusing to consider it in the context of all of trumps other actions (or in this case complete lack of action and outright denial) in relation to the pandemic.

    Do you genuinely think he brought in that restriction because he was worried about the pandemic?


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    #2505
    2u2me
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,693 ✭✭✭2u2me


    MadYaker wrote: »
    If you think thats all Taiwan did to control the pandemic you’ve no idea of the situation there. You’re grasping.

    Like all trump supporters you cherry pick one measure and focus entirely on that, refusing to consider it in the context of all of trumps other actions (or in this case complete lack of action and outright denial) in relation to the pandemic.

    Do you genuinely think he brought in that restriction because he was worried about the pandemic?

    Grasping would be strawmanning what I'm saying in your very first sentence. Just because quarantining visitors and those returning is in the science doesn't mean it's the only effective preventive measure you can take.

    In your second paragraph you call me a Trump supporter and the third you question Trump's motives. The only thing I'm interested in is the science of quarantining people entering your country. It should be done to prevent outbreaks like this. Just because Trump did it doesn't make it bad.... ffs.


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    #2506
    Blueshoe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,964 ✭✭✭Blueshoe


    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    Even if he knows **** all he knows more than trump.

    Trump is in negative knowledge at this stage.

    Btw , theres a 4 year age gap between Biden and trump. I know in propaganda circles that's like 100 years but you need to stop parotting everything trump says and actually think for yourself.

    You don't know what he knows. He doesn't even know himself. A fleeting thought then confusion followed by mumbling about getting 3 degrees in college and eating Cheerios for breakfast.
    Where was I?

    Lost and confused. Sleepy Joe is not up to the job


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    #2507
    MadYaker
    Registered Users Posts: 12,167 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    I’m not saying it was bad, I’m saying when you look at it in the context of his stance on the pandemic at that time, it wouldn’t be logical to assume he did it for the right reasons as it was around the same time he was telling everyone the virus would disappear. The logical conclusion is that he saw it as a chance to get the boot into China as an extension of his dumb trade war, and imo doesn’t really deserve credit for it.


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    #2508
    MadYaker
    Registered Users Posts: 12,167 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    Blueshoe wrote: »
    You don't know what he knows. He doesn't even know himself. A fleeting thought then confusion followed by mumbling about getting 3 degrees in college and eating Cheerios for breakfast.
    Where was I?

    Lost and confused. Sleepy Joe is not up to the job

    Don’t you feel like an idiot posting this nonsense again and again and again?


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    #2509
    Blueshoe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,964 ✭✭✭Blueshoe


    MadYaker wrote: »
    Don’t you feel like an idiot posting this nonsense again and again and again?

    Watch the man being interviewed. Loses train of thought and mumbles through
    Regularly.

    Not in a fit state of mind for the most powerful position on the planet.

    And those are "nice" interviews. Wait until the pressure is put on.
    Go watch for yourself


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    #2510
    extra gravy
    Registered Users Posts: 22,586 ✭✭✭✭extra gravy


    Blueshoe wrote: »
    You don't know what he knows. He doesn't even know himself. A fleeting thought then confusion followed by mumbling about getting 3 degrees in college and eating Cheerios for breakfast.
    Where was I?

    Lost and confused. Sleepy Joe is not up to the job

    God you sound just like Trump with your pathetic little digs. It's embarassing.


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    #2511
    extra gravy
    Registered Users Posts: 22,586 ✭✭✭✭extra gravy


    Blueshoe wrote: »
    Watch the man being interviewed. Loses train of thought and mumbles through
    Regularly.

    Not in a fit state of mind for the most powerful position on the planet.

    And those are "nice" interviews. Wait until the pressure is put on.
    Go watch for yourself

    You've just described Trump.


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    #2512
    Blueshoe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,964 ✭✭✭Blueshoe


    extra gravy wrote: »
    You've just described Trump.

    Lol. Good one.
    National school level retort right there.

    Go and have a look for yourself. He'll be 78 in a few months.
    Best years long gone


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    #2513
    Leroy42
    Registered Users Posts: 15,506 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    Blueshoe wrote: »
    Lol. Good one.
    National school level retort right there.

    Go and have a look for yourself. He'll be 78 in a few months.
    Best years long gone

    Have you watched Trump at all. You are the one that keeps bringing up this issues with Biden, yet seem so aghast that they can equally, and in many cases even more so, be levelled at Trump.

    Please do not tell me that you are so biased that you can't even see that Trump has no ability to speak in public, no ability to answer questions, cannot keep a consistent thought.

    This is nothing new, he did it during the campaign. He struggles to read for goodness sake!


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    #2514
    Blueshoe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,964 ✭✭✭Blueshoe


    Leroy42 wrote: »
    Have you watched Trump at all. You are the one that keeps bringing up this issues with Biden, yet seem so aghast that they can equally, and in many cases even more so, be levelled at Trump.

    Please do not tell me that you are so biased that you can't even see that Trump has no ability to speak in public, no ability to answer questions, cannot keep a consistent thought.

    This is nothing new, he did it during the campaign. He struggles to read for goodness sake!

    He is a clown too. 2 clowns. If they could gather up a few more they could get a troupe going. Charlie Flanagan now there is another relic who needs to take up gardening instead. Perhaps he could go join Joe's fun time clown troupe feat Donald


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    #2515
    Leroy42
    Registered Users Posts: 15,506 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    Blueshoe wrote: »
    He is a clown too. 2 clowns. If they could gather up a few more they could get a troupe going. Charlie Flanagan now there is another relic who needs to take up gardening instead. Perhaps he could go join Joe's fun time clown troupe feat Donald

    Ah, so you can't even defend Trump, so the only way is to try and bring others down to his level.

    Right, I understand. What the hell Charlie has to do with anything is beyond me so I won't bother.


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    #2516
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    Blueshoe wrote: »
    Lol. Good one.
    National school level retort right there.

    Go and have a look for yourself. He'll be 78 in a few months.
    Best years long gone

    Whereas at 74 in a couple of weeks, Trump is in his prime?


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    #2517
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    The WHO ceased any further testing of hydroxychloroquine as its risk of death is too great.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/hydroxychloroquine-coronavirus-trump-clinical-trial-who-suspended-malaria-a9531801.html?utm_source=reddit.com


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    #2518
    ceadaoin.
    Registered Users Posts: 8,126 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    Is is that dangerous? What about all the people taking it for years for lupus or RA and not dying in large numbers? Or maybe they are? I await the ads from lawyers on the TV, "did you or a loved one take hydroxychloroquine and subsequently have a heart attack and/or die? Well you could get compensation"

    Anyway, my state reported just 4 deaths yesterday and new hospitalizations are still trending downwards despite being open (partially) for a few weeks now. New cases are up but that can be put down to a major increase in testing and not an indication of a resurgence


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    #2519
    2u2me
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,693 ✭✭✭2u2me


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    The core theme of his article is about a global approach to the pandemic.

    I read the article you posted and it is severely lacking on a strategy with regards to quarantining visitors.

    He does make the ambiguous claim "Diseases don't stop at borders or walls" but never elaborates upon this point. It's like saying 'masks don't stop diseases' but they surely feckin help!


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    #2520
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users Posts: 14,360 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    2u2me wrote: »
    I read the article you posted and it is severely lacking on a strategy with regards to quarantining visitors.

    He does make the ambiguous claim "Diseases don't stop at borders or walls" but never elaborates upon this point. It's like saying 'masks don't stop diseases' but they surely feckin help!

    It's a metaphor. If you can't see the point he's making then that's fine.


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    #2521
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    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    Is is that dangerous? What about all the people taking it for years and not dying in large numbers? Or maybe they are? I await the ads from lawyers on the TV, "did you or a loved one take hydroxychloroquine and subsequently have a heart attack and/or die? Well you could get compensation" Etc etc

    Well if you read the article, it's related to the drug's interaction with patients with covid-19.
    The same study concluded that patients receiving hydroxychloroquine and an antibiotic faced a 45 per cent increased risk of death and a 411 per cent increased risk of serious heart arrhythmias.

    Mr Ghebreyesus emphasised that the concerns about the drug relate only to its use to treat Covid-19, and that both hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine are accepted as generally safe for use in patients with autoimmune diseases or malaria.


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