The UK response to Covid-19 [MOD WARNING 1ST POST]

paw patrol · 25-05-2020 01:57PM

RollieFingers wrote: »

The irony of the Brexit mob now blindly supporting an unelected bureaucrat is gas, weren't they were very much opposed to being told what to do by unelected bureaucrat's in the EU?

It's not the same....bit lame you would think this.

VinLieger · 25-05-2020 01:58PM

AllForIt wrote: »

I don't know for certain he broke the rules.

This is such typical fvcking "ill die supporting my team" bullsh1t.

Its been pointed out again and again that the rules were for no reason should you leave your house yet your still questioning if he broke the rules?

It looks like he took the same journey at least twice and possibly even three times now, there is literally no question anymore that he broke the rules.

devnull · 25-05-2020 01:58PM

dfx- wrote: »

I have been here for three years and Brexit does not affect daily life yet - it was all in the ether. Coronavirus is very much here and it's here now.

Coronavirus exposes the sell off of public infrastructure in the UK over 40-50 years and the manufacturing exodus. They can't cope with this because they have systematically dismantled everything public except the NHS and they have been really trying hard to break that up and make it increasingly private with US lobby groups. Cummings wants to deconstruct even the civil service.

It is a particular crisis that needs a strong state response and the Tories were never that and these ones have no idea. They want schools back in so parents can get back to work.

It depends on who you ask. Generally it hasn't effected people a massive amount, but it has really damaged relationships between older and younger members of families. I've seen that in my own family as the older ones are constantly ramming their views down peoples throats and acting like they are superior and are know it alls at every opportunity.

Some of my UK friends have similar experiences so they don't talk about politics with older people or older members of their family because it's just not worth the hassle, but these Brexiteers just cannot resist a dig every now and then. I've alone seen 5 or 6 people I know in the UK moan about Cummings and pretty much every single one of them has had some older family member or older person jump on them and tell them that they're still bitter about Brexit.

From the moment I moved back to Ireland in 2005 until about 2017 I was barely in the UK, save for a week or so a year at the most, but in the last couple of years I've been there a fair bit more and the change from what the country used to be before I moved back to Ireland and in 2017 was stark. Yes the country had problems before that but they just seemed to get much worse in the time that I wasn't living there.

Agree that the country needs a very strong Government but you are never going to get that from a Tory party, especially one which has been elected on a platform that they have where many of the more moderate, experienced and wise figures were either deselected, retired or had already left the party. Instead you have a group of people ill suited for the offices they hold who are selfish and arrogant and only care about each other.

As I said before though, the opposition wasn't exactly up to much during the time of the last few elections though and Jeremy Corbyn wasn't the saint that the left like to paint him out to be, I've had first hand experience of that in person with him. The left needs to rally around Starmer now and put it's differences aside, all Labour infighting needs to halt, so many terms of the Tories has destroyed the country and it may already be too late, another term for this out of touch and arrogant will probably result in total destruction of the little that the UK has left.

paw patrol · 25-05-2020 01:59PM

Can somebody tell me what he did that was wrong?

If he was leaving kids with his parents cos he was sick , isn't that what the deputy chief medical officer said to do.

Have i missed something?

devnull · 25-05-2020 01:59PM

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

That would constitute an excellent question for Dom during his press conference.

I have no doubt that there will be some form of selection involved in the questions.

paw patrol · 25-05-2020 02:02PM

VinLieger wrote: »

This is such typical fvcking "ill die supporting my team" bullsh1t.

Its been pointed out again and again that the rules were for no reason should you leave your house yet your still questioning if he broke the rules?

It looks like he took the same journey at least twice and possibly even three times now, there is literally no question anymore that he broke the rules.

Seth Brundle wrote: »

erm, even Johnson has admitted that DC travelled 260 miles which was not allowed given that DC and his wife were both in self-isolation because they had the virus.

but the deputy chief medical officer stated on tv that if you are ill you can drop kids with family.
i'm sure you've seen that video.

Of course he could be lying that he was sick

this stinks of some sort of brexit sore losers and a slow news day

Joe_ Public · 25-05-2020 02:03PM

paw patrol wrote: »

Can somebody tell me what he did that was wrong?

If he was leaving kids with his parents cos he was sick , isn't that what the deputy chief medical officer said to do.

Have i missed something?

His parents are in the vulnerable cohort so should not have had any contact with either kid or parents and there's no evidence the child was even looked after anyone other than his parents for the duration of their stay.

Seth Brundle · 25-05-2020 02:03PM

paw patrol wrote: »

Can somebody tell me what he did that was wrong?

If he was leaving kids with his parents cos he was sick , isn't that what the deputy chief medical officer said to do.

Have i missed something?

He did not leave his kids with anyone though!

VinLieger · 25-05-2020 02:04PM

paw patrol wrote: »

Can somebody tell me what he did that was wrong?

If he was leaving kids with his parents cos he was sick , isn't that what the deputy chief medical officer said to do.

Have i missed something?

Point me please to exactly where she said "exceptional circumstances" meant you could travel 250+ miles outside of your own quarantine limits and potentially infect vulnerable family members?

Joe_ Public · 25-05-2020 02:07PM

The deputy cmo stated there would be a case for exceptional circumstances in the event of a "risk to life". Haven't seen that card played as of yet.

nacho libre · 25-05-2020 02:09PM

AllForIt wrote: »

I don't know for certain he broke the rules. I am not going to make a decision on it based on what I see in the British press to date especially given the way they presented the story. I think he should give his side of the story at least and I don't think it's up to Boris to give Cummings side of the story at the briefings. Most ppl here have already decided he should go without hearing from Cummings. There are a handful of British journalist that have actually made this point and they're not right wingers either.

Were you this unclear whether rule were breached by Ferguson and the Scottish CMO? His side of the story is he was looking after the welfare of his child by travelling. Was it not possible to do this from London? Countless others Londoners had to stay put and managed it. I wonder if, like Dominic, they had decided the rules didn't apply to them, how much higher than ro rate would be now? One thing is clear from Boris endorsing his special advisers actions is that the lockdown guidelines are rendered meaningless and unenforceable. All a person had to do if stopped by the British police is quote Boris's defense of Dominic's actions.

robinph · 25-05-2020 02:09PM

paw patrol wrote: »

Can somebody tell me what he did that was wrong?

If he was leaving kids with his parents cos he was sick , isn't that what the deputy chief medical officer said to do.

Have i missed something?

Yes, you've missed something. If someone in your household has symptoms then...

"Do not leave home under any circumstances".

A Dub in Glasgo · 25-05-2020 02:10PM

paw patrol wrote: »

Can somebody tell me what he did that was wrong?

If he was leaving kids with his parents cos he was sick , isn't that what the deputy chief medical officer said to do.

Have i missed something?

He broke the rules on self isolation

robinph · 25-05-2020 02:11PM

VinLieger wrote: »

Point me please to exactly where she said "exceptional circumstances" meant you could travel 250+ miles outside of your own quarantine limits and potentially infect vulnerable family members?

There is also nothing exceptional about having a child.

VinLieger · 25-05-2020 02:14PM

robinph wrote: »

There is also nothing exceptional about having a child.

Ageed ive got 2 of em i had symptoms which luckily turned out to be something else but we never for one moment thought of dropping them to either of their grandparents both of which were within our 2k cus those were the fvcking rules and we were understandably worried about infecting them.....

Thats the thing im really baffled by, the complete lack of concern that his parents might have gotten infected? Really speaks to the kind of person he is.

Joe_ Public · 25-05-2020 02:15PM

He has extended family in London, whatever about his wife. So not clear why he couldn't call on them.

And also, as the guidance makes clear, there are NHS among other support hubs available for families in tough situations. He should at a minimum have consulted them if they were in that situation.

paw patrol · 25-05-2020 02:16PM

Joe_ Public wrote: »

His parents are in the vulnerable cohort so should not have had any contact with either kid or parents and there's no evidence the child was even looked after anyone other than his parents for the duration of their stay.

are they? I'm not aware if they are or are not.
Do you know their medical history?

because age is NOT a factor in the UK for covid "higher risk"
only "moderate risk"

It's almost like that are a different country not rules my Dr Tony - who'd have thought that.:pac:

VinLieger wrote: »

Point me please to exactly where she said "exceptional circumstances" meant you could travel 250+ miles outside of your own quarantine limits and potentially infect vulnerable family members?

you are making stuff up now...she said what she said - no limits mentioned. she said family , his parents are his family.

his parents (as stated above ) are not vulnerable - unless you know their medical history - do you?

for those of you who think Dr. Tonys dictatorship applies to the UK , please educate yourselves.

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/people-at-higher-risk-from-coronavirus/whos-at-higher-risk-from-coronavirus/

if you want to split hairs and argue between High Risk and Moderate Risk...please note the bottom notes...moderate risk people are still able to go to work, go for food and exercise. Seems reasonable to take the grand kids so.

Timberrrrrrrr · 25-05-2020 02:16PM

Anyone know what time his presser is on? Wanna make sure I have sufficient popcorn

Timberrrrrrrr · 25-05-2020 02:18PM

paw patrol wrote: »

are they? I'm not aware if they are or are not.
Do you know their medical history?

because age is NOT a factor in the UK for covid "higher risk"
only "moderate risk"

It's almost like that are a different country not rules my Dr Tony - who'd have thought that.:pac:

you are making stuff up now...she said what she said - no limits mentioned. she said family , his parents are his family.

his parents (as stated above ) are not vulnerable - unless you know their medical history - do you?

for those of you who think Dr. Tonys dictatorship applies to the UK , please educate yourselves.

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/people-at-higher-risk-from-coronavirus/whos-at-higher-risk-from-coronavirus/

if you want to split hairs and argue between High Risk and Moderate Risk...please note the bottom notes...moderate risk people are still able to go to work, go for food and exercise. Seems reasonable to take the grand kids so.

From your own link

Social distancing: what you need to do

To stop the spread of coronavirus (COVID-19), you should try to avoid close contact with anyone you do not live with.

This is called social distancing.

Also

Can I leave my home if I'm self-isolating?

If you or someone you live with has symptoms of coronavirus:

do not leave your home for any reason – if you need food or medicine, order it online or by phone, or ask someone to deliver it to your homedo not have visitors in your home – including friends and familydo any exercise at home – you can use your garden, if you have one

A Dub in Glasgo · 25-05-2020 02:20PM

paw patrol wrote: »

are they? I'm not aware if they are or are not.
Do you know their medical history?

because age is NOT a factor in the UK for covid "higher risk"
only "moderate risk"

He did not mention risk, you did that. He mentioned vulnerable cohort

robinph · 25-05-2020 02:22PM

Joe_ Public wrote: »

He has extended family in London, whatever about his wife. So not clear why he couldn't call on them.

And also, as the guidance makes clear, there are NHS among other support hubs available for families in tough situations. He should at a minimum have consulted them if they were in that situation.

Even without extended family in London, they have social services, and he has the resources of No10 at his disposal.

If him and his wife were incapable of minding the kid then No10 would swiftly be transporting his sister down to London and getting his aides minding the kid for the few hours that took. They have childrens services in London.

No excuse whatsoever for having travelled the length of the country.

If he was living on an isolated island in the Shetlands where there was nobody else lived then yes, move to somewhere that other people exist if the household gets ill so there would be support. Otherwise, it's all a load of crap excuses that they are coming up with.

2ndcoming · 25-05-2020 02:23PM

paw patrol wrote: »

are they? I'm not aware if they are or are not.
Do you know their medical history?

because age is NOT a factor in the UK for covid "higher risk"
only "moderate risk"

It's almost like that are a different country not rules my Dr Tony - who'd have thought that.:pac:

you are making stuff up now...she said what she said - no limits mentioned. she said family , his parents are his family.

his parents (as stated above ) are not vulnerable - unless you know their medical history - do you?

for those of you who think Dr. Tonys dictatorship applies to the UK , please educate yourselves.

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/people-at-higher-risk-from-coronavirus/whos-at-higher-risk-from-coronavirus/

if you want to split hairs and argue between High Risk and Moderate Risk...please note the bottom notes...moderate risk people are still able to go to work, go for food and exercise. Seems reasonable to take the grand kids so.

Is there any particular reason you are so eager to go to bat for this self-serving creep?

I mean it hardly needs to be pointed out, but he wouldn't do it for you.

Joe_ Public · 25-05-2020 02:23PM

paw patrol wrote: »

are they? I'm not aware if they are or are not.
Do you know their medical history?

because age is NOT a factor in the UK for covid "higher risk"
only "moderate risk"

It's almost like that are a different country not rules my Dr Tony - who'd have thought so.

You need to go back and have a read of the guidelines, particularly the section relating to over 70s. Leaving a child that had been in contact with at least one, if not two, infected people with two over 70s is an absolute breach of the regulations. They dont seem to have done so anyway.

"The advice for those aged 70 and over continues to be that they should take particular care to minimise contact with others outside their household."

Patser · 25-05-2020 02:23PM

It really is an incredible admission of how much power Dominic Cummings seems to hold though:

That on Saturday almost every Minister in cabinet, and the Attorney General publically supports him

That on Sunday, the Prime Minister backs him to the hilt, no apologies, questions, enquiry anything, just on DC's word

And on Monday, an unelected Advisor is now giving a press conference and answering questions despite all rules saying he can't.

Muahahaha · 25-05-2020 02:23PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Anyone know what time his presser is on? Wanna make sure I have sufficient popcorn

Want to know this myself, I always enjoy a bit of political bloodsports.

This could be a bad move by Dom, he is not a seasoned politican used to doing pressers and Q&A sessions. But Im guessing he is strictly controlling what journos get to ask the questions right now.

Seth Brundle wrote: »

He did not leave his kids with anyone though!

This needs to be established in the Q&A, his whole excuse was about childcare for his kid yet he never used any childcare and instead whet on a day trip to Barnard and another one to walk in the woods.

nacho libre · 25-05-2020 02:25PM

VinLieger wrote: »

It looks like he took the same journey at least twice and possibly even three times now, there is literally no question anymore that he broke the rules.

Even if he only undertook one journey he clearly broke the rules. He is going to go down the contrite route and play the concerned parent at his press conference, which will probably see him hang on. The only way he'll be forced to go is if undeniable evidence emerges of him being at the castle, or on his second or third trip to Durham. You would imagine a forecourt cctv image would emerge if that is the case.

VinLieger · 25-05-2020 02:26PM

paw patrol wrote: »

you are making stuff up now...she said what she said - no limits mentioned. she said family , his parents are his family.

Link the full quote please because all ive seen her say was "exceptional circumstances"

paw patrol wrote: »

for those of you who think Dr. Tonys dictatorship applies to the UK , please educate yourselves.

"dicatorship".... "educate yourselves"..... ??? Jesus you nearly hit a full bingo for an armchair facebook expert in just a single post.

Ill keep taking my advice from the people who have led Ireland to having half the mortality rate per million than that in the UK and who aren't willing to sacrifice more lives by ending the restrictions early in a irresponsible attempt to end a negative media cycle and save their own positions.

paw patrol · 25-05-2020 02:28PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

From your own link

To stop the spread of coronavirus (COVID-19), you should try to avoid close contact with anyone you do not live with.
Also

you are being purposely obtuse here
because its' clear his parents are not vulnerable (my link to the NHS) - the poster Vinleger (and others) previous accusation - and Cummings (unless lying that he was sick) was following the medical guidelines as I refereed to the Deputy Medical Advisor (on the TV).

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

He did not mention risk, you did that. He mentioned vulnerable cohort

please read what is actually written.

The NHS definitions use the word risk and have different categories.
The moderate risk people are still able to go out , so that arent vulnerable.
AGE is only a factor in the moderate risk category. I was pointing our clearly that Cummings parents are NOT vulnerable unless you know their medical history

It's not that complicated

Timberrrrrrrr · 25-05-2020 02:31PM

paw patrol wrote: »

you are being purposely obtuse here
because its' clear his parents are not vulnerable (my link to the NHS) - the poster Vinleger (and others) previous accusation - and Cummings (unless lying that he was sick) was following the medical guidelines as I refereed to the Deputy Medical Advisor (on the TV).

I never said his parents were at risk, I'm pointing out that your link clearly states that if you have symptoms then you stay at home. It does not say you can leave and travel to see your parents and it clearly states stay away from people from.other households. He clearly broke those two rules.

robinph · 25-05-2020 02:32PM

Muahahaha wrote: »

This needs to be established in the Q&A, his whole excuse was about childcare for his kid yet he never used any childcare and instead whet on a day trip to Barnard and another one to walk in the woods.

Pretty sure that even if childcare was an issue for a household that would not mean that the household could go off in search of childcare help. The childcare assistance would have to come to you as you the infected adults are under clear instruction to not leave home under any circumstances.

The UK response to Covid-19 [MOD WARNING 1ST POST]

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