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Covid19 Part XVII-24,841 in ROI (1,639 deaths) 4,679 in NI (518 deaths)(28/05)Read OP

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  • #7952
    Level 42
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 326 ✭✭Level 42


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    The Chinese figures never made sense. An outbreak in a densely populated city of 12 million people but only 3,500 deaths. A figure they revised up to 4,500+ only recently.
    China has absolutely no credibility, why they have received praise from WHO is baffling.

    WHO are as dodgy as China


  • #7953
    bb1234567
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,513 ✭✭✭bb1234567


    Higgins5473 wrote: »
    China with a population of 1.4 billion, where the disease originated are logging figures of today:

    China cases 82,971 deaths 4,634

    USA population of 331 million

    USA cases 1,654,906 deaths 98,093

    I'd say both are lying, but it doesn't take a statistician to look at the comparisons there to realise WHO (see what i did there :)) is lying the most and so badly.

    I don't want to go into a debate about which has better potential ethnicity and antibody stuff or medical services and living in certain conditions because like absolutely every body here we haven't a clue. But what I am certain of is that those figures do not add up.

    Even more shocking and what in my mind is what makes the figures look so unbelievable is the fact that the relatively tiny country of Belgium has 2.3x times as many deaths as all of China

    China's population is 127x times larger than Belgium's


  • #7954
    CruelSummer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,341 ✭✭✭CruelSummer


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    No one said it was the flu. They have stated clearly that it is exhibiting the same migratory patterns and this is what policy and readiness is now based on for later in the year.

    But Australia and New Zealand are going into their winters and Covid is dying out in both countries...


  • #7955
    timsey tiger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,599 ✭✭✭timsey tiger


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    The Chinese figures never made sense. An outbreak in a densely populated city of 12 million people but only 3,500 deaths. A figure they revised up to 4,500+ only recently.
    China has absolutely no credibility, why they have received praise from WHO is baffling.

    How do we know, whether they make sense or not. The level of pop. control in China is off the scale. Their idea of lockdown is prob. stricter than solitary confinement in Irish prisons. Pop. density is irrelevant if there are no interactions.


  • #7956
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,202 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    Think these stats basically cement the idea that it's being extinguished in the community. I think the idea of regional restrictions should be discussed. France's 'traffic light' system is an interesting one.
    Can you imagine the outrage if pubs were told to close in Galway, but could remain open in Limerick? I'd love to see it tried, but can only imagine the complaints about "unfairness" that would follow. There's a lot of people in the country who fail to see big pictures, and only have their own very narrow parochial view.


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  • #7957
    Higgins5473
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,396 ✭✭✭Higgins5473


    bb1234567 wrote: »
    Even more shocking and what in my mind is what makes the figures look so unbelievable is the fact that the relatively tiny country of Belgium has 2.3x times as many deaths as all of China

    China's population is 127x times larger than Belgium's

    If you are going to lie, at least make an effort to make it look credible. But they started on a trend of stats and couldn't bounce them up once it hit Europe and the true extent of what was happening with figures. If they had, their daily figures and trend 'curve' would've resembled a straight vertical upward line resembling a block wall without a summit overnight.


  • #7958
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,725 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    is_that_so wrote: »
    What a mess! If they succeed can families of people who subsequently die from COVID-19 sue them?

    Nah that would be ridiculous when the vulnerable can protect themselves.

    Would be similar to a smoker's family suing a shopkeeper for selling cigarettes


  • #7959
    Higgins5473
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,396 ✭✭✭Higgins5473


    hmmm wrote: »
    Can you imagine the outrage if pubs were told to close in Galway, but could remain open in Limerick? I'd love to see it tried, but can only imagine the complaints about "unfairness" that would follow. There's a lot of people in the country who fail to see big pictures, and only have their own very narrow parochial view.

    Can't understand the appeal of going near a restaurant or pub with the proposed restrictions. Saw a video today of an irish pub in Zurich, glass perspex between every seat. Looked bleak, very few there in fairness. Whole idea of going to the pub is social interaction, not distancing. It's just like in supermarkets where everyone is worried about stepping on other peoples toes, its very uncomfortable no matter what your take is on the whole situation...so going to relax and have fun in that kind of environment at great expense, f*ck that. F*ck zoom quizzes and all that online drinking sh*t as well by the way, we're not built for that.


  • #7960
    wadacrack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    Higgins5473 wrote: »
    Can't understand the appeal of going near a restaurant or pub with the proposed restrictions. Saw a video today of an irish pub in Zurich, glass perspex between every seat. Looked bleak, very few there in fairness. Whole idea of going to the pub is social interaction, not distancing. It's just like in supermarkets where everyone is worried about stepping on other peoples toes, its very uncomfortable no matter what your take is on the whole situation...so going to relax and have fun in that kind of environment at great expense, f*ck that. F*ck zoom quizzes and all that online drinking sh*t as well by the way, we're not built for that.

    Social distancing not sustainable for mental health long term. This new online exclusive social world is beginning to get very tough. Hopefully the cases can continute to lower and some restrictions can be lifted. Heading in the right direction at the moment


  • #7961
    fatknacker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,342 ✭✭✭fatknacker


    Anyone know where the clusters are reportedly in North Dublin?


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  • #7962
    fullstop
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,903 ✭✭✭✭fullstop


    cadaliac wrote: »
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2058076432

    You obviously haven't seen this thread then, have you....

    Edit: you are aware of that thread it seems. Makes your point above, even more "pointless" so to speak.

    He’d have to log out to see it ;)

    But I think he knows the point being made and is just looking for an argument


  • #7963
    Gael23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,105 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    Looks like Tony is not for turning on the 2 metre rule


  • #7964
    Higgins5473
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,396 ✭✭✭Higgins5473


    wadacrack wrote: »
    Heading in the right direction at the moment

    That's yet to be seen, as have the past date of when the disease was discovered to lock down dates. We, as in absolutely everyone that posts on this forum hasn't a clue about this. Whether this current roadmap and the previous date is all guesswork on who did what right.

    Personally I think it has been handled very badly by massively inept staff with ego's to match. And we were just coming out of the fog of all that other mess. But declaring what has been done and what is to come as 'heading in the right direction' is crystal ball stuff.


  • #7965
    wadacrack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    Higgins5473 wrote: »
    That's yet to be seen, as have the past date of when the disease was discovered to lock down dates. We, as in absolutely everyone that posts on this forum hasn't a clue about this. Whether this current roadmap and the previous date is all guesswork on who did what right.

    Personally I think it has been handled very badly by massively inept staff with ego's to match. And we were just coming out of the fog of all that other mess. But declaring what has been done and what is to come as 'heading in the right direction' is crystal ball stuff.

    The numbers are down. That is a sign of some progress. Its not crystal ball stuff at all. The data indicates we are suppressing the virus.


  • #7966
    Higgins5473
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,396 ✭✭✭Higgins5473


    wadacrack wrote: »
    The numbers are down. That is a sign of some progress. Its not crystal ball stuff at all. The data indicates we are suppressing the virus.

    Numbers are debatable at best worldwide, at worst, fictional. I have no interest in getting into conspiracy theory stuff as I have, you, me everyone here has not the slightest clue about what is happening with this virus. It's in its infancy, and how things were handled here and elsewhere won't be known for years and decades perhaps.

    But just as far as our data goes, our 'curve' looks like a Himalayan mountain skyline. It is massively inconsistent.


  • #7967
    MD1990
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,740 ✭✭✭✭MD1990


    Higgins5473 wrote: »
    Numbers are debatable at best worldwide, at worst, fictional. I have no interest in getting into conspiracy theory stuff as I have, you, me everyone here has not the slightest clue about what is happening with this virus. It's in its infancy, and how things were handled here and elsewhere won't be known for years and decades perhaps.

    But just as far as our data goes, our 'curve' looks like a Himalayan mountain skyline. It is massively inconsistent.

    Nolan said weeks ago the R rate was down to 0.5

    numbers then dropped pver the next few weeks.
    Where we have been doing well.

    He was correct so I believe he has a clue.

    Thr virus is atm declining all over Europe.
    Plenty of clues in that.


  • #7968
    Gael23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,105 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    Have there been any moves to relax blanket visitor bans in nursing homes?


  • #7969
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,303 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    Higgins5473 wrote: »

    But just as far as our data goes, our 'curve' looks like a Himalayan mountain skyline. It is massively inconsistent.

    ? Our case curve is certainly not uneven. There's a distinct downward trajectory in daily terms and a very smooth seven day average trend.


  • #7970
    Higgins5473
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,396 ✭✭✭Higgins5473


    MD1990 wrote: »
    Nolan said weeks ago the R rate was down to 0.5

    numbers then dropped pver the next few weeks.
    Where we have been doing well.

    He was correct so I believe he has a clue.

    Thr virus is atm declining all over Europe.
    Plenty of clues in that.
    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    ? Our case curve is certainly not uneven. There's a distance downward trajectory in daily terms and a very smooth seven day average trend.

    Daily rate

    7th of May 137 new cases
    14th of May 426 new cases

    Triple the number in a week. Look at the charts, it's not me trying to convince anyone. None of it makes sense.


  • #7971
    wadacrack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    Higgins5473 wrote: »
    Numbers are debatable at best worldwide, at worst, fictional. I have no interest in getting into conspiracy theory stuff as I have, you, me everyone here has not the slightest clue about what is happening with this virus. It's in its infancy, and how things were handled here and elsewhere won't be known for years and decades perhaps.

    But just as far as our data goes, our 'curve' looks like a Himalayan mountain skyline. It is massively inconsistent.

    Our curve is fine. The mathematical models take into account assumptions about undetected cases btw. With all that data our R) is about 0.5. Hospitalizations and ICU dropped substantially too. So it is not fictional at all. You are using little logic in your explanation


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  • #7972
    Stormyteacup
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,003 ✭✭✭Stormyteacup


    MD1990 wrote: »
    Nolan said weeks ago the R rate was down to 0.5

    numbers then dropped pver the next few weeks.
    Where we have been doing well.

    He was correct so I believe he has a clue.

    Thr virus is atm declining all over Europe.
    Plenty of clues in that.

    Can have a look at our Rt calculations here - interesting graphs with timelines. Shows reproduction rate steadily low since early April.

    https://assets.gov.ie/74598/eb483fdc582148209eb3ef0ab00c645d.pdf


  • #7973
    Mic 1972
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭Mic 1972


    I'm curious about the "new normal" that is often mentioned on the news, sounds like things won't be the same again


  • #7974
    Higgins5473
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,396 ✭✭✭Higgins5473


    wadacrack wrote: »
    Our curve is fine. The mathematical models take into account assumptions about undetected cases btw. With all that data our R) is about 0.5. Hospitalizations and ICU dropped substantially too. So it is not fictional at all. You are using little logic in your explanation

    our curve? oh, sorry, ok so we are now comparing to other countries? because we weren't a few weeks ago as we had a different more superior method and as leo said "its not a competition"...but it is now?

    where's my little logic?

    *just to add, my fictional comment was globally, nobody knows what the true figures are and every country is using different methods so, it is as i say; debatable and at worst fictional. you'd be awfully naive to think otherwise at best, and awfully stupid at worst.


  • #7975
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,303 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    Higgins5473 wrote: »
    Daily rate

    7th of May 137 new cases
    14th of May 426 new cases

    Triple the number in a week. Look at the charts, it's not me trying to convince anyone. None of it makes sense.

    Do you even know what you're talking about? I have the charts in front of me. Plus you're including the 14th May than includes the figures omitted from over a month back. Laughable.

    There's a definite steady downward seven day trend for the past month.


  • #7976
    An Ciarraioch
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,806 ✭✭✭An Ciarraioch


    Yes, take out the Mater backlog (which was over 2 months of data), and the curve is distinctly downward - also shown by the recovery figures:

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/ireland/


  • #7977
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    The paddy that everyone hates bears good news.

    Here yee, here yee


    https://twitter.com/paddycosgrave/status/1264259233509507073?s=21


  • #7978
    wadacrack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    Higgins5473 wrote: »
    our curve? oh, sorry, ok so we are now comparing to other countries? because we weren't a few weeks ago as we had a different more superior method and as leo said "its not a competition"...but it is now?

    where's my little logic?

    *just to add, my fictional comment was globally, nobody knows what the true figures are and every country is using different methods so, it is as i say; debatable and at worst fictional. you'd be awfully naive to think otherwise at best, and awfully stupid at worst.

    I didnt compare Ireland to any other country. Its not been naive at all.Its about looking at the data and realizing where we stand. Currently on a downward trajectory and suppressing the virus. Hopefully it stays like that. Im hopeful it will cases still dropping in countries that have slowly eased restrictions. " e had a different superior method" ? Their is no basis for that statement. We seem to be following an approach similar to South Korea which is proving succesful atm.


  • #7979
    Higgins5473
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,396 ✭✭✭Higgins5473


    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    Do you even know what you're talking about? I have the charts in front of me. Plus you're including the 14th May than includes the figures omitted from over a month back. Laughable.

    There's a definite steady downward seven day trend for the past month.

    you seem fairly emotional about this Jim. I'm looking at figures from Google /Wiki which provide charts and data, they are like pictures to help people understand how things rise and fall, kind of like big and small if that's easier to understand. they are apparently pulling data from our masters and their European HQ is in Dublin so I'd imagine the figures are as good as they get.

    Google Ireland Corona Virus



    Give Google a shout about my figures


  • #7980
    Polar101
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,061 ✭✭✭Polar101


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    Think these stats basically cement the idea that it's being extinguished in the community. I think the idea of regional restrictions should be discussed. France's 'traffic light' system is an interesting one.

    "Regional restrictions" usually means "open the part of country where I live, but restrict others".

    Also, then you'll get the idiots who will travel from the locked down part to the open part, effectively making the regional restrictions useless.


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  • #7981
    Micky 32
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,628 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    Higgins5473 wrote: »

    But just as far as our data goes, our 'curve' looks like a Himalayan mountain skyline. It is massively inconsistent.

    So how does the curve look like in ICU and hospital admissions,? Stop talking rubbish, we ARE heading in the right direction.


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