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Covid19 Part XVII-24,841 in ROI (1,639 deaths) 4,679 in NI (518 deaths)(28/05)Read OP

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  • #7742
    Jizique
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,140 ✭✭✭Jizique


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    The death rate continues to grow in Mexico. The country's ability to test, trace and record is said to be pretty hopeless.

    This is the ROI/NI thread, as was pointed out to me earlier.
    How is test track and trace evolving here or have they dropped it, given how slow they plan to reopen things?


  • #7743
    Vicxas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,611 ✭✭✭✭Vicxas


    Jizique wrote: »
    This is the ROI/NI thread, as was pointed out to me earlier.
    How is test track and trace evolving here or have they dropped it, given how slow they plan to reopen things?

    Google and Apple said "soon" whatever soon means to them, 2022 probably


  • #7744
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    https://m.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/saturday-read-data-on-covid-19-clusters-reveals-communities-most-at-risk-from-second-wave-39228143.html

    Almost 18% of total positive cases in Ireland to date were in Dublin North (2164) and Dublin North West (2183) areas of the HSE

    The HSE split Dublin into 8 areas

    That's a big proportion of overall cases


  • #7745
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Gael23 wrote: »
    Holohan appears to be coming under pressure to reduce social distancing to one metre in line with WHO guidance

    Why is Holohan under pressure? His job is to advise government. It is the governments decision to take his advice or ignore it . I agree with the WHO guidelines but I suspect Leo and Co will hide behind Holohan.


  • #7746
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,096 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    The death rate continues to grow in Mexico. The country's ability to test, trace and record is said to be pretty hopeless.

    The latest from our foreign correspondent. Do you trawl the figures to see where there's more misery to report?


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  • #7747
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    The death rate continues to grow in Mexico. The country's ability to test, trace and record is said to be pretty hopeless.

    I seem to remember you claiming a few days ago that the virus (despite its novel designation) is seasonal, of course without any evidence. Mexico experiencing a freezing Winter at the moment?


  • #7748
    Akrasia
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,225 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    normanoffside wrote: »
    No, I just want someone to take power rather than referring to some risk adverse CMO.

    I said it before in another thread but I will say it again. Tony Holohan is literally a poker player holding a Full House in his hand but keeps 'checking' instead of betting because he is afraid someone else might have a Royal Flush.

    At some stage someone needs to overrule him and take the minuscule chance that we are actually winning.

    I would use a different analogy. We are in a marathon.
    At the start of the marathon we didn’t pace ourselves properly, wasted some energy and now we are still in with a chance of winning but can’t afford to push too hard too early in case we run out of steam

    Some of our competitors broke away from the pack a few miles ago but we think it’s better to keep a steady pace a little bit longer so we can push harder on the final stretch

    Who will end up winning the race? Only time will tell

    If you push too late you risk falling out contention for a podium position
    If you push too early, you can risk not even finishing the race

    The risk reward ratio is heavily skewed towards favoring a conservative approach. If we let others take the risks and see how they are affected, we can make better choices

    It is much better to open up a few weeks late and stay open, than to open up a few weeks early and have to shut down again at the cost of many more lives and multiple months of Severe economic shock

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • #7749
    growleaves
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,978 ✭✭✭growleaves


    The risk reward ratio is heavily skewed towards favoring a conservative approach.

    Only in the context of the monomania around the virus, where all other things are downgraded and labelled trivial. Medical advisors run the country and impoverishment and indefinite isolation are labelled 'no big deal'.


  • #7750
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Akrasia wrote: »
    I would use a different analogy. We are in a marathon.
    At the start of the marathon we didn’t pace ourselves properly, wasted some energy and now we are still in with a chance of winning but can’t afford to push too hard too early in case we run out of steam

    Some of our competitors broke away from the pack a few miles ago but we think it’s better to keep a steady pace a little bit longer so we can push harder on the final stretch

    Who will end up winning the race? Only time will tell

    If you push too late you risk falling out contention for a podium position
    If you push too early, you can risk not even finishing the race

    The risk reward ratio is heavily skewed towards favoring a conservative approach. If we let others take the risks and see how they are affected, we can make better choices

    It is much better to open up a few weeks late and stay open, than to open up a few weeks early and have to shut down again at the cost of many more lives and multiple months of Severe economic shock
    Apologies no offense intended ,but an absolute load of rubbish.


  • #7751
    Hmmzis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,004 ✭✭✭Hmmzis


    In case anyone is wondering what the "end game" for this could look like:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_coronavirus_NL63


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  • #7752
    Speak Now
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,764 ✭✭✭Speak Now


    No new cases and no new deaths reported in China for the first time.


  • #7753
    smurgen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,933 ✭✭✭smurgen


    Akrasia wrote: »
    I would use a different analogy. We are in a marathon.
    At the start of the marathon we didn’t pace ourselves properly, wasted some energy and now we are still in with a chance of winning but can’t afford to push too hard too early in case we run out of steam

    Some of our competitors broke away from the pack a few miles ago but we think it’s better to keep a steady pace a little bit longer so we can push harder on the final stretch

    Who will end up winning the race? Only time will tell

    If you push too late you risk falling out contention for a podium position
    If you push too early, you can risk not even finishing the race

    The risk reward ratio is heavily skewed towards favoring a conservative approach. If we let others take the risks and see how they are affected, we can make better choices

    It is much better to open up a few weeks late and stay open, than to open up a few weeks early and have to shut down again at the cost of many more lives and multiple months of Severe economic shock

    I think the opposite. If we had take more dramatic measures at the start such as the shutting of airports we could have saved alot of time and effort in the long run. We wasted alot of effort setting up big things that were never used while simple but drastic measures were never enacted.


  • #7754
    NegativeCreep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,351 ✭✭✭NegativeCreep


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    I seem to remember you claiming a few days ago that the virus (despite its novel designation) is seasonal, of course without any evidence. Mexico experiencing a freezing Winter at the moment?

    I asked the same of Brazil yesterday. You won’t get an answer!


  • #7755
    Jizique
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,140 ✭✭✭Jizique


    smurgen wrote: »
    I think the opposite. If we had take more dramatic measures at the start such as the shutting of airports we could have saved alot of time and effort in the long run. We wasted alot of effort setting up big things that were never used while simple but drastic measures were never enacted.

    What’s happening with City West?


  • #7756
    [Deleted User]
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    Is Simon Harris for real? He tells the Irish Times that he is considering mandatory quarantine in a state facility for all arrivals, when most of our EU peers are starting the process of opening up their border? Craziness!!

    I know it will never happen but just to suggest that it is being considered makes him appear reckless


  • #7757
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    NegativeCreep wrote: »
    I asked the same of Brazil yesterday. You won’t get an answer!

    I don't expect one, but it's necessary to call out his rubbish lest others believe him.


  • #7758
    Van.Bosch
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,002 ✭✭✭Van.Bosch


    Gael23 wrote: »
    Holohan appears to be coming under pressure to reduce social distancing to one metre in line with WHO guidance

    This would be a game changer - would allow more people in restaurants etc safely.

    Also would allow more kids in schools. I can see this being announced soon, effective in August so schools can prep


  • #7759
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,419 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Van.Bosch wrote: »
    This would be a game changer - would allow more people in restaurants etc safely.

    Also would allow more kids in schools. I can see this being announced soon, effective in August so schools can prep

    1m or 2m is arbitrary nonsense anyway.

    But how does cramming more people into an enclosed space make them safer? :confused:


  • #7760
    growleaves
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,978 ✭✭✭growleaves


    But how does cramming more people into an enclosed space make them safer?

    Cuomo said that the lockdown in NYC might have increased transmission by forcing young and old together in residences.


  • #7761
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,419 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    growleaves wrote: »
    Cuomo said that the lockdown in NYC might have increased transmission by forcing young and old together in residences.

    I imagine they weren't forced, they lived there. The idea of "lockdown" was to confine the virus in homes and not spread it to others.

    What that has to do with cramming more people into restaurants, etc. I have no idea.


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  • #7762
    Jizique
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,140 ✭✭✭Jizique


    Van.Bosch wrote: »
    This would be a game changer - would allow more people in restaurants etc safely.

    Also would allow more kids in schools. I can see this being announced soon, effective in August so schools can prep

    Biggish outbreak in a smallish town in Germany called Leer which has been traced to a restaurant and 50 people ordered to self isolate.
    On the 1m thing, surely 2m for adults is equivalent to 1m for kids, given the difference in scale. Time to plan for reopening the schools - 3 months to get it sorted and to announce that 1m will be introduced from phase 3 or 4, assuming we ever get there.


  • #7763
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Boggles wrote: »
    1m or 2m is arbitrary nonsense anyway.

    But how does cramming more people into an enclosed space make them safer? :confused:

    DeGascun mentioned the much higher risk of infection within 1m of someone on account of potential droplet spread. 2m is just to be pathologically certain that there is little to no risk. It's the position of every medical authority from the WHO down.


  • #7764
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    growleaves wrote: »
    Cuomo said that the lockdown in NYC might have increased transmission by forcing young and old together in residences.
    It might have but it is a cluster type disease. Did he offer an alternative?


  • #7765
    Onesea
    Closed Accounts Posts: 475 ✭✭Onesea


    is_that_so wrote: »
    DeGascun mentioned the much higher risk of infection within 1m of someone on account of potential droplet spread. 2m is just to be pathologically certain that there is little to no risk. It's the position of every medical authority from the WHO down.

    As the news on the virus diminishing increases the same state of panic remains.
    Wouldn't surprise me if Holohan quits his job before this is out.


  • #7766
    Assetbacked
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,969 ✭✭✭Assetbacked


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Is Simon Harris for real? He tells the Irish Times that he is considering mandatory quarantine in a state facility for all arrivals, when most of our EU peers are starting the process of opening up their border? Craziness!!

    I know it will never happen but just to suggest that it is being considered makes him appear reckless

    Unless there are guarantees that we won't go into full lockdown again then foreign travellers should be banned from the country full stop. Arguably people won't comply with such restrictions again in any event but I don't want our borders open while we are still in lockdown.


  • #7767
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Onesea wrote: »
    As the news on the virus diminishing increases the same state of panic remains.
    Wouldn't surprise me if Holohan quits his job before this is out.
    Extreme caution rather than panic. We need to see how things stand at the end of this phase.


  • #7768
    silverharp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,854 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    growleaves wrote: »
    Cuomo said that the lockdown in NYC might have increased transmission by forcing young and old together in residences.

    It didnt help that Cuomo sent corona patients to nursing homes

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • #7769
    ZX7R
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,393 ✭✭✭ZX7R


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Is Simon Harris for real? He tells the Irish Times that he is considering mandatory quarantine in a state facility for all arrivals, when most of our EU peers are starting the process of opening up their border? Craziness!!

    I know it will never happen but just to suggest that it is being considered makes him appear reckless

    Not going to happen, when trying to pass it trough the dail the only thing that was agreed to be mandatory was the signing of the locator form.
    Many ministers sighted economic reasons for not passing the mandatory isolation.


  • #7770
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Assetbacked wrote: »
    Unless there are guarantees that we won't go into full lockdown again then foreign travellers should be banned from the country full stop. Arguably people won't comply with such restrictions again in any event but I don't want our borders open while we are still in lockdown.
    There are no guarantees, just making sure we can deal with any future occurrences. Eventually you do need to look at the overall effect of measures.


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  • #7771
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,419 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    is_that_so wrote: »
    DeGascun mentioned

    He also said masks were useless too and repeated the claim several times.

    You are dealing with a guy that is mixing science with politics, a dangerous combination.
    is_that_so wrote: »
    the much higher risk of infection within 1m of someone on account of potential droplet spread. 2m is just to be pathologically certain that there is little to no risk. It's the position of every medical authority from the WHO down.

    No it isn't.


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