FG to just do nothing for the next 5 years.

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Council houses were sold off since the 70s in Ireland.

FG's fault yeah?

So blaming FG for everything like you have in your post make me think its just another rant without any facts to back it up.

I wasnt just blaming FG.

I was blaming both FG and FF, and their swing ever more to the right.
It seems the only measure of success for a government now is GDP, even if that is at the expense of living standards, services and the well being of the majority of the people in this country.

as for facts, are you denying anything I said about the UK?
The point I was making is that we are following on the same trajectory. That trajectory can be changed before we end up in a complete mess like the UK.
If FG cant see that and insist on serving business interests instead of its people, then yes it is time for a dramatic change of government.

That's not a rant, just the way I and many others see it, probably more than those that voted for FG in the last election and no doubt in the upcoming election.

efanton wrote: »

I wasnt just blaming FG.

I was blaming both FG and FF, and their swing ever more to the right.
It seems the only measure of success for a government now is GDP, even if that is at the expense of living standards, services and the well being of the majority of the people in this country.

as for facts, are you denying anything I said about the UK?
The point I was making is that we are following on the same trajectory. That trajectory can be changed before we end up in a complete mess like the UK.
If FG cant see that and insist on serving business interests instead of its people, then yes it is time for a dramatic change of government.

That's not a rant, just the way I and many others see it, probably more than those that voted for FG in the last election and no doubt in the upcoming election.

Hmmm pretty sure you went on a rant about Leo and thatcher or something.

Then council houses.

Deleted User wrote: »

What in its anysis,do you deem to be inaccurate??

Plenty.... the strap line for a start

This
“
For all the talk of an economic recovery under Fine Gael, most people, especially youth and workers, have nothing to show for it. “

There are plenty with plenty to show for it.

There are a lot of snide Thatcherite references, class references which are inaccurate.

Broad brush stuff.

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Hmmm pretty sure you went on a rant about Leo and thatcher or something.

Then council houses.

I suggest you read what i said again.

I described what had happen in the UK. I then pointed out that we seem to be on the same trajectory, implementing the same failed policies, but are behind the UK curve. Do we have to wait until what has happened in the UK happens here before a dramatic change in tack is made?

If FG or FF are not prepared to deal with the issues then surely it is time to let someone else have a go.

Ireland is not an economy, it is a country populated by ordinary decent people. It should not be measured in financial terms alone, and sadly that seems to be the case at the moment.

Yes we need a strong economy to pay for services, welfare, pensions, etc but its not an either or choice is it?
We can have a growing economy AND fix what has been broken over the last 20 years. FG are not totally to blame for that, but they are the ones in government at the moment, and have been for nine years, who can make the changes but refuse to do so.

Mortelaro wrote: »

You do realise SF were the largest party on DCC until may 19 and had control with labour and the greens yeah?

I dont care who was in control to be honest.

I believe no one party has control of any county or city councils on their own, now or previously.
That being the case then surely all political parties are failing.

It seems crazy to me that we have thousands on council waiting lists that would be extremely happy to pay the moderate rents councils charge and secure for themselves and their families a permanent home, and yet we have thousand of people deliberately not paying their rents and this not due to financial hardship either.

Mortelaro wrote: »

Centre right is not right wing,just as centre left is not left wing
I've read it now and it's a very skewed 20 to 30% point of view just as I'd expected
Ireland is a centre country politically, irrespective of how much copy writers like that may wish it were otherwise or who gets the nod to run it

Is there a party more to the right than FG here?

They are as the author says...'Ireland's right'

It's like comparing Irish republicans to American republicans.

Fine Gael is as right as it gets here...no?

efanton wrote: »

Yes you wonder why DCC council haven't lifted a finger to deal with it.
I wonder which parties are in control of that council.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dublin_City_Council

also were you aware that that debt is owed mostly by people who are working and not on social welfare, and most of that debt is more than a year old.

I would totally agree that councils should enforce their own rules. If tenants are not prepared to pay then they are thousands of other on the waiting list that would give their eye teeth for the chance to do so.

Em.

SF were the largest party in control for years up until last year's council elections.

Go on off and try again:)

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Mate anyone under 30 is gonna find it impossible to.afford housing,wages are lower,while house prices never higher,something needs to give


Neo-lib/thatcherism has swallowed capitalism,it was alright for 1st generation,but milenials and gen.z are likely to be poorer,than.their parents.....neo-lib has nearly reached its logical endpoint,why shoul young buy into it??,

all it ever was is a rebranding of 19th century laissez-faire econmics,which ultimately lead to famine here

. /:. /. €€?.

Exactly.

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

You dont care who was in control but happy to link wiki to prove SF weren't?

Riiiiiiiigggt.

do you have a chip on your shoulder or something?

I posted the link simply to show that no single party is in control of that council, and that is the only reason I posted it.

Like i have previously said its about time something was done, and all parties are responsible for it.

Its disgraceful that thousands are on a waiting list that would be only to happy to pay, and that there are thousands who refuse to pay because they know the councils will do nothing.

You seem to be disappointed every time we might agree on something.

Bowie wrote: »

Sad but irrelevant.
Those people will be housed either way.
Going for private leases instead of social wont make a blind bit of difference.
They should take rent from source anyway be it dole or wages.



Only read the opener...
Personally any party that looks to private interests above the tax payers and pretending, (has to be a ruse at this point) that wealth will trickle down once we put private profits above all else is right wing in my book. FG certainly fit that and FF too to a lesser extent.

39 million owed to the tax payer? ?= irrelevant?

Wow, you've changed your tune about tax payers getting screwed ay!

Like you wax lyrical about here every day.

Unbelievable.