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Covid19 Part XVII-24,841 in ROI (1,639 deaths) 4,679 in NI (518 deaths)(28/05)Read OP

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  • #7622
    Martina1991
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,548 ✭✭✭Martina1991


    NegativeCreep wrote: »
    They’ve missed an opportunity to offer people a test (at their own expense) to see if they’re Infected upon arrival at the airport. Self isolate for the 2-3 days until your result comes through and venture out then if you eager a negative result. Far more palatable to isolate for 3 days than 14. Would also mean people travelling for business purposes wouldn’t be as massively put out.
    It is estimated that over 11 million tourists visited Ireland in 2019.

    How could we possibly offer to test an average of over 200 thousand people a week.


  • #7623
    double jobbing
    Closed Accounts Posts: 322 ✭✭double jobbing


    Given the other day they said they believed "community transmission" had effectively ended (I take that to mean catching it in a non cluster environment, off people you are not related to/ living with i.e workplaces, supermarkets) have they given any indication of where the numbers over the last seven days have occured? Is it believed that it is only spreading, slowly, among nursing home residents, staff and hospital patients?


  • #7624
    ek motor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 548 ✭✭✭ek motor


    MonkieSocks wrote: »
    The Lancet

    A recombinant adenovirus type-5 vectored COVID-19 vaccine: first-in-human trial

    Safety, tolerability, and immunogenicity of a recombinant adenovirus type-5 vectored COVID-19 vaccine: a dose-escalation, open-label, non-randomised, first-in-human trial

    https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31208-3/fulltext

    That's a lengthy read, can you give us a quick rundown ?


  • #7625
    NegativeCreep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,351 ✭✭✭NegativeCreep


    Lyle wrote: »
    It could be tricky to put it on such a short timescale because of the differing number of days that it takes for people to become symptomatic. There's a chance someone could catch it on the flight or just before the flight, take the test on arrival and be negative and not be symptomatic for up to 11 days, but still have a period of shedding before symptoms show as well. Usually it's 5 days until symptoms appear, but even then it's hard to see isolation coming under a week just to be safe. If they're infected and wandering about after day 3 of a 14 day holiday it could potentially spread a lot because the person could be buoyed by the negative test into not being totally careful or taking any symptoms seriously. It's a really tricky situation to figure out. Repeat testing across the first week of arrival would probably be the only way but that's just so much hassle and work and manpower on top of everything else.

    That’s a valid point too but at the moment there’s currently no requirement to isolate. The only mandatory part is filling out the form. At least with testing you’d catch some people.

    Anyway I don’t think there’ll be too many coming in and out of the country this year. I’m not an advocate of lockdown but I’ve written off travel this year anyway. Too much hassle


  • #7626
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,420 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Martina1991 wrote: »
    It is estimated that over 11 million tourists visited Ireland in 2019.

    How could we possibly offer to test an average of over 200 thousand people a week.

    You think 11 million will visit Ireland this year and the next?

    Spoiler = They won't.


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  • #7627
    NegativeCreep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,351 ✭✭✭NegativeCreep


    Martina1991 wrote: »
    It is estimated that over 11 million tourists visited Ireland in 2019.

    How could we possibly offer to test an average of over 200 thousand people a week.

    Do you think 11 million people are coming in this year?


  • #7628
    Miike
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,021 ✭✭✭Miike


    ek motor wrote: »
    That's a lengthy read, can you give us a quick rundown ?

    An adenovirus vectored vaccine shows promise in clinical trials. It appears to be safe with only minor (albeit a lot of people got them) adverse reactions reported across all dosage groups. Specific immune cells were observed to spike which could confer immunity. More research is needed.


  • #7629
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    NegativeCreep wrote: »
    Do you think 11 million people are coming in this year?
    It's just wasting testing resources.


  • #7630
    Non solum non ambulabit
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,089 ✭✭✭Non solum non ambulabit


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    115 new cases. It's going back up again.

    Active cases are down. Likely more people recovered today than were infected based on a 14 day recovery measurements used by the CMO.


  • #7631
    Indestructable
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,377 ✭✭✭Indestructable


    PowerToWait wrote: »
    He's a massive bell end. Him and Ciara Kelly, harping on the past 3 weeks to end the so called 'lock down'. Obviously he has skin in the game somehow. Probably betting shops.

    Ciara Kelly is actually worse, her tune changes like the wind. Can't listen to her anymore, she's always on some sort of crusade.


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  • #7632
    Martina1991
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,548 ✭✭✭Martina1991


    NegativeCreep wrote:
    Do you think 11 million people are coming in this year?
    When life returns to normal and if there isn't a vaccine.


  • #7633
    What Username Guidelines
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,139 ✭✭✭What Username Guidelines


    https://twitter.com/gpbuddy/status/1263889859611176960?s=21

    Good indicator of cases in a few days time. It’s spiked the other day, on the way down again. Only gp as a source, no hospitals, but still interesting.


  • #7634
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    Cheers.

    Just watching back now, Glynn says an increase in clusters in meat plants from what was reported earlier in the week, now 16 plants with cases. As of this morning cases had gone from 828 earlier in the week to as of this morning 865. Referenced a graph showing spikes in cases reported from plants due to public health deciding that all workers in some plants should be tested.


  • #7635
    Seven Septs
    Closed Accounts Posts: 145 ✭✭Seven Septs


    PowerToWait wrote: »
    Everything is a fukking 'disgrace' or a 'complete joke' with all these new reg, re reg types.

    Such a miserable vocabulary.

    A lot of posters registered for the first time here due to spare time and unprecedented events. The quality of posting varies, as it does with those registered for years.

    Just because you registered in 2015 doesn't automatically make you some type of superior poster.


  • #7636
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,749 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Just watching back now, Glynn says an increase in clusters in meat plants from what was reported earlier in the week, now 16 plants with cases. As of this morning cases had gone from 828 earlier in the week to as of this morning 865. Referenced a graph showing spikes in cases reported from plants due to public health deciding that all workers in some plants should be tested.
    Ah yes. I thought they were relating to cases analysed and not results as of today. Lines up with the ~75 from yesterday so.


  • #7637
    NegativeCreep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,351 ✭✭✭NegativeCreep


    Martina1991 wrote: »
    When life returns to normal and if there isn't a vaccine.

    Which isn’t going to happen between now and June 18th though.


  • #7638
    podgeandrodge
    Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    Indestructable wrote: »
    Ciara Kelly is actually worse, her tune changes like the wind. Can't listen to her anymore, she's always on some sort of crusade.

    First to catch it, first to get tested. First to tell us all about it in her 'isolation diary'. And probably first to tell us she's reinfected. Insufferable.


  • #7639
    bb1234567
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,513 ✭✭✭bb1234567


    ek motor wrote: »
    Yemeni health system 'collapsed' - RTE

    https://www.rte.ie/news/world/2020/0522/1140005-yemen/

    Straw that broke the camel's backs in the case of Yemen I would say. Unfortunately for Yemen a big COVID outbreak does not even rank highly among their daily risks to life, they have so many other even bigger problems, I feel so sorry for the people living in that hellhole


  • #7640
    wadacrack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    podgeandrodge wrote: »
    First to catch it, first to get tested. First to tell us all about it in her 'isolation diary'. And probably first to tell us she's reinfected. Insufferable.

    " I know I will beat this" rammed that down the radio a few times also. A novel virus that's proving serious for so many but she was in the know.


  • #7641
    bb1234567
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,513 ✭✭✭bb1234567


    Nearly 700 deaths in Spain today, does anyone know what the story is behind that? Just adding some unreported nursing home deaths or something?


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  • #7642
    Ha Long Bay
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,009 ✭✭✭✭Ha Long Bay


    bb1234567 wrote: »
    Nearly 700 deaths in Spain today, does anyone know what the story is behind that? Just adding some unreported nursing home deaths or something?

    This is the note on it.

    "today the Spanish Ministry of Health reported an additional 56 deaths in the last 24 hours, however, the Catalan authorities reported an additional 632 deaths that had previously occurred and were not assigned to dates, meaning that the cumulative total for deaths increased by 688 deaths"


  • #7643
    Seven Septs
    Closed Accounts Posts: 145 ✭✭Seven Septs


    I know it has a thread of its own but still worth mentioning here that the UK have 3,287 cases and 351 deaths today. Still at around 50% of peak figures, that's appaling at this stage. Their rates are my biggest worry for us. Yes we had problems but the general public really did their bit in suppressing the virus here. Having that going on next door is a big concern.


  • #7644
    GazzaL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,395 ✭✭✭GazzaL


    One of the biggest things I've learned from this whole crisis is how many people eat McDonalds regularly.


  • #7645
    podgeandrodge
    Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    GazzaL wrote: »
    One of the biggest things I've learned from this whole crisis is how many people eat McDonalds regularly.

    Thanks for reminding me!


  • #7646
    podgeandrodge
    Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    Covid-19: face mask rules more political than scientific, says UK expert
    Study reveals cloth coverings reduce airflow but Covid-19 effectiveness remains unproven

    The wearing of cloth face masks by the public was becoming more about politics than science, one expert has argued, as a new study reveals potential benefits and problems of the coverings.

    At present the UK government recommends the public wear face coverings when in crowded places where it is not always possible to maintain social distancing – a stance also taken by the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) – while other countries, including the Czech Republic, have made the wearing of masks in the community mandatory.

    Now a new study by researchers at the University of Edinburgh has looked into the impact of different types of face mask on airflow ejected by a wearer when they breathed or coughed, including standard surgical masks, FFP2 respirators and cloth masks.

    The researchers found all face masks without a valve, including cloth masks, reduced the distance exhaled air travelled in a forward direction by more than 90%. But they added that fit was essential, pointing out that “surgical, handmade masks, and face shields, generate significant leakage jets that have the potential to disperse virus-laden fluid particles by several metres,” and that such jets tend to be directed downwards or backwards.

    Dr Simon Kolstoe, senior lecturer in evidence-based healthcare and university ethics adviser at the University of Portsmouth, said when it comes to the science there “isn’t that much to argue about”. He said the new study backs previous evidence that cloth masks were not as effective as FFP1 or FFP2 masks – equivalent to N95 masks – when it comes to preventing the transmission of viruses, but can direct the breath in different ways.

    But Kolstoe said there was limited evidence about how effective cloth masks were, or whether they have a big impact. The upshot was a debate that was more political than scientific.

    “My feeling is that this is becoming more of a statement, a statement of solidarity. By going out and wearing a face mask you show that you are taking action, you show other people you are concerned about this, you are concerned about them, you are concerned about yourself. But perhaps conversely by not wearing a face mask that is also a statement as well,” said Kolstoe, pointing to a recent Politico article with the headline “Wearing a mask is for smug liberals. Refusing to is for reckless Republicans.”

    Trish Greenhalgh, a professor of primary care health sciences at Oxford University, who has advocated the public wear cloth face masks, cautioned that the Edinburgh research was carried out in a laboratory, meaning the implications for the real world remain unclear. However, she said the findings suggested those wearing surgical or homemade masks to protect others should ensure a close fit all around.

    Other experts pointed out that the study did not look at viral transmission and the face coverings were only tested on one person, but the findings showed that airflow was not straightforward.

    Describing homemade face coverings, Kolstoe said: “I don’t think it does any particular harm to wear, them I don’t think it does any particular good to wear them – and as a consequence you are going to get people jumping on either side of the bandwagon. [If there was evidence showing cloth masks] make a massive difference, then we wouldn’t be having this argument.”


  • #7647
    frillyleaf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 801 ✭✭✭frillyleaf


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Just watching back now, Glynn says an increase in clusters in meat plants from what was reported earlier in the week, now 16 plants with cases. As of this morning cases had gone from 828 earlier in the week to as of this morning 865. Referenced a graph showing spikes in cases reported from plants due to public health deciding that all workers in some plants should be tested.

    Why are meant plants getting infected so easily?


  • #7648
    GeorgeBailey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,187 ✭✭✭GeorgeBailey


    PowerToWait wrote: »
    He's a massive bell end. Him and Ciara Kelly, harping on the past 3 weeks to end the so called 'lock down'. Obviously he has skin in the game somehow. Probably betting shops.

    I don't think it's skin in the game as such. It's Newstalk's cheap trick. Say something that goes against the grain. Half the listeners will be "about f-in time someone said it like it is". The other half will be angered at how irresponsible they are. Both sets will react and tweet and text, etc

    That's what happened George Hook. He was too busy causing a reaction to realise just how far over the line he went.

    When things are quiet news-wise they'll just bring something up about cycling.


  • #7649
    Be right back
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,343 ✭✭✭Be right back


    frillyleaf wrote: »
    Why are meant plants getting infected so easily?

    Apparently the one in Cork had a high number as some of those affected, were living together and also car pooling to work.


  • #7650
    ZX7R
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,393 ✭✭✭ZX7R


    frillyleaf wrote: »
    Why are meant plants getting infected so easily?

    Mostly at the start they're completely over looked, because they never closed and we're deemed as essential .
    Many many workers would live together in rented accommodation as it is a job mainly supplied by foreign national.
    I worked in one when I was younger it's not a job for the faint hearted


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  • #7651
    ShamNNspace
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,913 ✭✭✭ShamNNspace


    Be right back wrote: »
    Apparently the one in Cork had a high number as some of those affected, were living together and also car pooling to work.

    Wonder would the cold working environment with fridges have anything to do with it?


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