Covid19 Part XVII-24,841 in ROI (1,639 deaths) 4,679 in NI (518 deaths)(28/05)Read OP

is_that_so · 22-05-2020 06:36PM

podgeandrodge wrote: »

As they've extinguished transfer within the community, and supermarkets were open all along, what are people's thoughts on why masks would now be recommended going into a shop? Same amount of shoppers in supermarkets regardless of restriction phases?

Not being anti mask here, just that CDC now saying it's reasonably unlikely to catch virus from surfaces, and people have not been transferring it to each other in supermarkets or we would surely know about it. And if asymptomatic transmission is going on (and if the CMO is incorrect) surely hospital cases would be a lot more.

The supermarkets and other outside contacts are so fleeting as not to count, unless you are very unlucky. Nobody can really quantify the actual risk.

ldy4mxonucwsq6 · 22-05-2020 06:36PM

NegativeCreep wrote: »

They’ve missed an opportunity to offer people a test (at their own expense) to see if they’re Infected upon arrival at the airport. Self isolate for the 2-3 days until your result comes through and venture out then if you eager a negative result. Far more palatable to isolate for 3 days than 14. Would also mean people travelling for business purposes wouldn’t be as massively put out.

Or rapid test (10 mins) on arrival. I know there was a question about the accuracy rates though.

NegativeCreep · 22-05-2020 06:36PM

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Does the Bell have Bluetooth?

I was thinking just a bog standard cowbell. Purely for aesthetics

EDit · 22-05-2020 06:39PM

Strazdas wrote: »

But it's not as draconian as it sounds. All of the legal emphasis in Ireland is on filling out the airport form - Simon Harris said that the self isolation part is not strictly mandatory.

It's the UK that is going down the quarantine route and threatening anyone who doesn't follow it with big fines etc.

But we’re exempt right? Unless I am reading these rules wrong, someone flying from Dublin to London won’t have to quarantine in the UK per the common travel area, but when they fly back to Dublin, they will have to quarantine. However, if they fly back via Belfast and then drive over the border, they don’t have to quarantine in Ireland.

Strazdas · 22-05-2020 06:43PM

NegativeCreep wrote: »

They’ve missed an opportunity to offer people a test (at their own expense) to see if they’re Infected upon arrival at the airport. Self isolate for the 2-3 days until your result comes through and venture out then if you eager a negative result. Far more palatable to isolate for 3 days than 14. Would also mean people travelling for business purposes wouldn’t be as massively put out.

It's not as strict as it looks though. Visitors to the country simply have to state precisely where they will be staying for the next two weeks and not move to another location. There is no actual legal requirement for them to stay in a room for a fortnight and not have any contact with other people.

The UK quarantine sounds much stricter and more hardline.

branie2 · 22-05-2020 06:43PM

RIP, the 11 people who died

podgeandrodge · 22-05-2020 06:44PM

podgeandrodge wrote: »

As they've extinguished transfer within the community, and supermarkets were open all along, what are people's thoughts on why masks would now be recommended going into a shop? Same amount of shoppers in supermarkets regardless of restriction phases?

Not being anti mask here, just that CDC now saying it's reasonably unlikely to catch virus from surfaces, and people have not been transferring it to each other in supermarkets or we would surely know about it. And if asymptomatic transmission is going on (and if the CMO is incorrect) surely hospital cases would be a lot more.

is_that_so wrote: »

The supermarkets and other outside contacts are so fleeting as not to count, unless you are very unlucky. Nobody can really quantify the actual risk.

I would personally fully agree with you. But there are a significant amount of posters on here saying it needs to be made mandatory to wear masks in supermarkets asap. Curious on this!

Away With The Fairies · 22-05-2020 06:45PM

115 new cases. It's going back up again.

Polar101 · 22-05-2020 06:46PM

EDit wrote: »

However, if they fly back via Belfast and then drive over the border, they don’t have to quarantine in Ireland.

Well, hopefully they would quarantine - but obviously no-one is going to force that if they don't have any controls set up in Belfast.

bettyoleary · 22-05-2020 06:46PM

EDit wrote: »

But we’re exempt right? Unless I am reading these rules wrong, someone flying from Dublin to London won’t have to quarantine in the UK per the common travel area, but when they fly back to Dublin, they will have to quarantine. However, if they fly back via Belfast and then drive over the border, they don’t have to quarantine in Ireland.

It wont be that easy I am sure. If they are making this mandatory, it isn't being done lightly. Its a massive decision. They will have measures put in place for this. Your passport for one.

ek motor · 22-05-2020 06:47PM

UCHG has 100% ICU survival rate - Connacht Tribune

'on one occasion at the peak of the crisis here, there were up to 20 people being treated for Covid-19 in the unit. This week, there was one Covid patient in ICU.'

https://connachttribune.ie/galway-icu-has-100-covid-19-survival-rate/

NegativeCreep · 22-05-2020 06:47PM

Strazdas wrote: »

It's not as strict as it looks though. Visitors to the country simply have to state precisely where they will be staying for the next two weeks and not move to another location. There is no actual legal requirement for them to stay in a room for a fortnight and not have any contact with other people.

The UK quarantine sounds much stricter and more hardline.

Yeah I know that which is why I think offering a test on top of what we have now would be a good idea. We could potentially get someone in now who has the virus and could spread it as there’s no requirement to actually isolate yourself at the minute. Whereas if someone gets a test, they won’t mind isolating for 3 days (on the whole I think) and then will also be more likely to isolate further if they know they have the virus. Right now everyone who comes through the airport is going to say “sure I’m grand” and not bother isolating.

branie2 · 22-05-2020 06:48PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

115 new cases. It's going back up again.

Hopefully it will go down soon

Polar101 · 22-05-2020 06:48PM

bekker wrote: »

Apparently the number of meat plant inspections carried out by the HSA is now being treated as a State Secret.

This is completely farcical.

It's been a bit silly for a while now, they are reporting "hundreds" of cases in meat plants, but the total number of cases reported have been in double digits. So either pretty much all new cases are "meat workers" or they haven't been included.

ACitizenErased · 22-05-2020 06:49PM

Wonder if the increase has anything to do with the change in testing contacts? Fairly certain that came into play earlier in the week?

EDit · 22-05-2020 06:50PM

bettyoleary wrote: »

It wont be that easy I am sure. If they are making this mandatory, it isn't being done lightly. Its a massive decision. They will have measures put in place for this. Your passport for one.

You’re probably right. BTW, I wasn’t advocating anyone do that, I was just trying to demonstrate that it’s all a bit slipshod at the moment

Strazdas · 22-05-2020 06:51PM

NegativeCreep wrote: »

Yeah I know that which is why I think offering a test on top of what we have now would be a good idea. We could potentially get someone in now who has the virus and could spread it as there’s no requirement to actually isolate yourself at the minute. Whereas if someone gets a test, they won’t mind isolating for 3 days (on the whole I think) and then will also be more likely to isolate further if they know they have the virus. Right now everyone who comes through the airport is going to say “sure I’m grand” and not bother isolating.

I suppose the Irish measures are flexible enough that they could be quickly modified to include what you're suggesting. All that was announced this evening is that the passenger locator form is now mandatory : there is no "quarantine" as such.

Away With The Fairies · 22-05-2020 06:52PM

branie2 wrote: »

Hopefully it will go down soon

How exactly will it go down when people have been bored with the restrictions? Who were these 115 in contact with over the past few weeks? It only goes up.

PowerToWait · 22-05-2020 06:52PM

GazzaL wrote: »

The new travel restrictions are both a disgrace and a complete joke.

Everything is a fukking 'disgrace' or a 'complete joke' with all these new reg, re reg types.

Such a miserable vocabulary.

ETA I got a warning for backseat modding for this post. What 'a complete joke'.

NegativeCreep · 22-05-2020 06:53PM

Strazdas wrote: »

I suppose the Irish measures are flexible enough that they could be quickly modified to include what you're suggesting. All that was announced this evening is that the passenger locator form is now mandatory : there is no "quarantine" as such.

Yeah maybe they’ll do that down the line

stephenjmcd · 22-05-2020 06:54PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

115 new cases. It's going back up again.

Its 1 day, relax. Overall trend is very much downwards & hospital numbers also still going down.

Listening to the press conference it sounds as if these cases are very much related to meat plants as they're from known clusters.

This is nothing to do with the relaxation from Monday. We wont know until the end of next week.

MonkieSocks · 22-05-2020 06:55PM

The Lancet

A recombinant adenovirus type-5 vectored COVID-19 vaccine: first-in-human trial

Safety, tolerability, and immunogenicity of a recombinant adenovirus type-5 vectored COVID-19 vaccine: a dose-escalation, open-label, non-randomised, first-in-human trial

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31208-3/fulltext

ACitizenErased · 22-05-2020 06:55PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Its 1 day, relax. Overall trend is very much downwards & hospital numbers also still going down.

Listening to the press conference it sounds as if these cases are very much related to meat plants as they're from known clusters.

This is nothing to do with the relaxation from Monday. We wont know until the end of next week.

Don't mean to doubt you but did he definitely say this? I just didn't hear, may be my mistake.

is_that_so · 22-05-2020 06:56PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

How exactly will it go down when people have been bored with the restrictions? Who were these 115 in contact with over the past few weeks? It only goes up.

Quite a few recent cases have been from meat plants.

stephenjmcd · 22-05-2020 06:56PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

How exactly will it go down when people have been bored with the restrictions? Who were these 115 in contact with over the past few weeks? It only goes up.

Jesus christ listen to the press conference. The majority from known clusters.

Its 1 days cases

bettyoleary · 22-05-2020 06:56PM

EDit wrote: »

You’re probably right. BTW, I wasn’t advocating anyone do that, I was just trying to demonstrate that it’s all a bit slipshod at the moment

I agree it does.

stephenjmcd · 22-05-2020 06:57PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Don't mean to doubt you but did he definitely say this? I just didn't hear, may be my mistake.

I'm just waiting for the recording to be available to play back I'll double check but I'm 99% sure, sound quality was pretty poor I'm pretty sure it was said.

PowerToWait · 22-05-2020 06:58PM

Azatadine wrote: »

I do think the likes of Ivan Yates are responsible for sone people not adhering to good practices around Covid. He peddles his agenda to get rid of restrictions and that coronavirus has been extinguished.

He's a massive bell end. Him and Ciara Kelly, harping on the past 3 weeks to end the so called 'lock down'. Obviously he has skin in the game somehow. Probably betting shops.

ACitizenErased · 22-05-2020 06:58PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

I'm just waiting for the recording to be available to play back I'll double check but I'm 99% sure, sound quality was pretty poor I'm pretty sure it was said.

Cheers.

Lyle · 22-05-2020 07:03PM

NegativeCreep wrote: »

Yeah I know that which is why I think offering a test on top of what we have now would be a good idea. We could potentially get someone in now who has the virus and could spread it as there’s no requirement to actually isolate yourself at the minute. Whereas if someone gets a test, they won’t mind isolating for 3 days (on the whole I think) and then will also be more likely to isolate further if they know they have the virus. Right now everyone who comes through the airport is going to say “sure I’m grand” and not bother isolating.

It could be tricky to put it on such a short timescale because of the differing number of days that it takes for people to become symptomatic. There's a chance someone could catch it on the flight or just before the flight, take the test on arrival and be negative and not be symptomatic for up to 11 days, but still have a period of shedding before symptoms show as well. Usually it's 5 days until symptoms appear, but even then it's hard to see isolation coming under a week just to be safe. If they're infected and wandering about after day 3 of a 14 day holiday it could potentially spread a lot because the person could be buoyed by the negative test into not being totally careful or taking any symptoms seriously. It's a really tricky situation to figure out. Repeat testing across the first week of arrival would probably be the only way but that's just so much hassle and work and manpower on top of everything else.

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