Relaxation of Restrictions, Part III - Read OP for Mod Warnings

lawrencesummers · 22-05-2020 01:52PM

RobitTV wrote: »

So what should happen now? let's shut down the state once again and screw everyone going back to work and living a life. Just because of a rather insignificant growth rate.

We have to keep social distancing going. We can't keep people locked up inside for eternity for a 1.4% growth rate. Protect the elderly by all means, but get healthy people back to work.

Maybe this will help you decide, economy over lives. Maybe you should look at those figures and realise they are completely preventable, and are actual human beings. Maybe that’s more important than money.

Your health is your wealth and all that.

GEORGIA MORTALITY RATE
4.4%

CURRENTLY W.H.O. MORTALITY RATE
3.6%

DEATHS IN 7 DAYS
2,008
ESTIMATED 233 NEW DEATHS

DEATHS IN 14 DAYS
2,250
ESTIMATED 475 NEW DEATHS

DEATHS IN 30 DAYS
2,906 ESTIMATED 1,131 NEW DEATHS

stephenjmcd · 22-05-2020 01:53PM

Mic 1972 wrote: »

they also have police agents monitoring them at close distance, agent dispersing people in parks, beaches and street when social distance isnt respected, none of that happening here. In fact we give the look of death to people wearing masks and keeping distance.

https://www.ilmessaggero.it/italia/lombardia_bollettino_contagi_milano_contagi_morti-5241653.html
https://www.ilgiorno.it/milano/cronaca/coronavirus-contagi-1.5153360

They dont have a 1k rule as you mentioned. They can travel within their own region and into other regions early June

RobitTV · 22-05-2020 01:53PM

lawrencesummers wrote: »

Maybe this will help you decide, economy over lives....

GEORGIA MORTALITY RATE
4.4%

CURRENTLY W.H.O. MORTALITY RATE
3.6%

DEATHS IN 7 DAYS
2,008
ESTIMATED 233 NEW DEATHS

DEATHS IN 14 DAYS
2,250
ESTIMATED 475 NEW DEATHS

DEATHS IN 30 DAYS
2,906 ESTIMATED 1,131 NEW DEATHS

Come on man don't be a misery guts. Tell us how many people recovered. Oh wait.....

road_high · 22-05-2020 01:54PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Unfortunately not so far. There are bad news though

"Higher interest rates pose major financial risk to Ireland, Donohoe warns
Minister for Finance says current low interest rates won’t last forever"

“If you have a national debt well in excess of €200 billion, a minute change in those interest rates can have a very significant effect on the day-to- day operation of the Irish State,” he warned.

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/higher-interest-rates-pose-major-financial-risk-to-ireland-donohoe-warns-1.4260061

We are basically on borrowed time. this is a ticking time bomb that will get very ugly the minute interest rates go unfavourably.

Wow, who would have thought that an economy closed down, producing a fraction of usual output, masses on welfare would see increased interest rates on borrowings? Certainly not Donohoe who seems to be some of bystander in the midst of one of Irelands most serious economic shocks ever.

Ginger n Lemon · 22-05-2020 01:57PM

lawrencesummers wrote: »

Maybe this will help you decide, economy over lives. Maybe you should look at those figures and realise they are completely preventable, and are actual human beings. Maybe that’s more important than money.

Your health is your wealth and all that.

GEORGIA MORTALITY RATE
4.4%

CURRENTLY W.H.O. MORTALITY RATE
3.6%

DEATHS IN 7 DAYS
2,008
ESTIMATED 233 NEW DEATHS

DEATHS IN 14 DAYS
2,250
ESTIMATED 475 NEW DEATHS

DEATHS IN 30 DAYS
2,906 ESTIMATED 1,131 NEW DEATHS

WITH THAT COVID MORTALITY RATE OUR GOVERNMENT OPENS UP WOODIES???

Oh wow. I dont know what baffles me more, your statistics or our government actions with relation to your statistics. No wonder you dont want lockdown to be lifted. I'd be worried too. Except for I wouldnt as those statistics are complete rubbish.

lawrencesummers · 22-05-2020 02:00PM

RobitTV wrote: »

So what should happen now? let's shut down the state once again and screw everyone going back to work and living a life. Just because of a rather insignificant growth rate.

We have to keep social distancing going. We can't keep people locked up inside for eternity for a 1.4% growth rate. Protect the elderly by all means, but get healthy people back to work.

Maybe this will help you decide, economy over lives....

GEORGIA MORTALITY RATE
4.4%

CURRENTLY W.H.O. MORTALITY RATE
3.6%

DEATHS IN 7 DAYS
2,008
ESTIMATED 233 NEW DEATHS

DEATHS IN 14 DAYS
2,250
ESTIMATED 475 NEW DEATHS

DEATHS IN 30 DAYS
2,906 ESTIMATED 1,131 NEW DEATHS

lawrencesummers · 22-05-2020 02:01PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

WITH THAT COVID MORTALITY RATE OUR GOVERNMENT OPENS UP WOODIES???

Oh wow. I dont know what baffles me more, your statistics or our government actions with relation to your statistics. No wonder you dont want lockdown to be lifted. I'd be worried too. Except for I wouldnt as those statistics are complete rubbish.

So you don’t like the figures, they don’t suit you so they are rubbish.

Pity you didn’t look at them long enough to realise they are figures for a different part of the world

Micky 32 · 22-05-2020 02:02PM

RobitTV wrote: »

Come on man don't be a misery guts. Tell us how many people recovered. Oh wait.....

He forgot to tell us that less than 2000 people have the virus in Ireland and a huge % aren’t now contagious. You’ll never see that posted on here.

RobitTV · 22-05-2020 02:02PM

196,958 people recovered and were discharged from hospital in Spain.

2% of the current active cases are critical. 98% are mild.

But don't let the facts and positive news get in the way of some doom and gloom and rosary bead holders.

road_high · 22-05-2020 02:03PM

LiquidZeb wrote: »

The mountains are probably ravaged by covid after that poster went for a walk yesterday though.

"The hills are alive with the touch of Covid..."

Ginger n Lemon · 22-05-2020 02:03PM

lawrencesummers wrote: »

So you don’t like the figures, they don’t suit you so they are rubbish.

No, they are rubbish because they are.

If we had a pandemic that had 4.4% mortality or 3.6% mortality, total covid deaths now would easily be 5 million + worldwide.

But they arent, in fact road crashes account for more deaths so far this year than covid.

RobitTV · 22-05-2020 02:05PM

21,060 people have made a recovery in Ireland. But the "worst is not over"

lawrencesummers · 22-05-2020 02:05PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

WITH THAT COVID MORTALITY RATE OUR GOVERNMENT OPENS UP WOODIES???

Oh wow. I dont know what baffles me more, your statistics or our government actions with relation to your statistics. No wonder you dont want lockdown to be lifted. I'd be worried too. Except for I wouldnt as those statistics are complete rubbish.

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

No, they are rubbish because they are.

If we had a pandemic that had 4.4% mortality or 3.6% mortality, total covid deaths now would easily be 5 million + worldwide.

But they arent, in fact road crashes account for more deaths so far this year than covid.

You should just look at the figures.
They are for Georgia.

Micky 32 · 22-05-2020 02:06PM

road_high wrote: »

"The hills are alive with the touch of Covid..."

You’d want to stay away from the sheep up there you don’t know who’s been shagging them ;-)

Clonmel1000 · 22-05-2020 02:07PM

AdamD wrote: »

Yeah I'm one of the people calling for the lockdown measures to end quicker, but I'm not overly against this quarantine. Why risk importing cases? Can't imagine our tourism industry is going to be booming in the next 2 months regardless, under the current plan it will mostly still be closed. No point encouraging people to leave the country and spend their money elsewhere either..

I’ll spend my money where I want thanks all the same. I don’t fancy being a prisoner on this island indefinitely. Freedom of travel underpins EU policy. Whilst the rest of the EU closes its borders I’ve no problem adopting similar here but once borders reopen across the continent it’s unrealistic to think we should be any different.

Metroid diorteM · 22-05-2020 02:08PM

Posting in case people missed this

https://youtu.be/uATMbGK__Tg

Korean CDC scientists say reinfection is unlikely.

Mic 1972 · 22-05-2020 02:09PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

road crashes account for more deaths so far this year than covid.

They are also highly infectious and generate surges that are known for bringing down health systems, typical of road crashes LOL

Ginger n Lemon · 22-05-2020 02:09PM

lawrencesummers wrote: »

Maybe this will help you decide, economy over lives. Maybe you should look at those figures and realise they are completely preventable, and are actual human beings. Maybe that’s more important than money.

Your health is your wealth and all that.

GEORGIA MORTALITY RATE
4.4%

CURRENTLY W.H.O. MORTALITY RATE
3.6%

DEATHS IN 7 DAYS
2,008
ESTIMATED 233 NEW DEATHS

DEATHS IN 14 DAYS
2,250
ESTIMATED 475 NEW DEATHS

DEATHS IN 30 DAYS
2,906 ESTIMATED 1,131 NEW DEATHS

Case Fatality rate is not the same as infection fatality rate.

Various serology studies have put infection fatality rate of 0.1-0.4%

You don't have to look any further than our own Health care workers, Over 8.000 confirmed infected and only 7 have died.

Fatality rate among Irish Health care workers is less than 0.1%.

Lets keep the thread relevant to Ireland as you've mentioned yourself earlier that Peru/Brazil figures are unreliable and state of Georgia figures are unreliable. Surely our figures ARE reliable?

RobitTV · 22-05-2020 02:10PM

Metroid diorteM wrote: »

Posting in case people missed this

https://youtu.be/uATMbGK__Tg

Korean CDC scientists say reinfection is unlikely.

What!? you must be joking. You must be a Gemma bot or a Trump supporter.

How dare you post this. Who are the Korean CDC anyway? they must be out protesting with Gemma and John Waters.

Ginger n Lemon · 22-05-2020 02:11PM

lawrencesummers wrote: »

Maybe this will help you decide, economy over lives. Maybe you should look at those figures and realise they are completely preventable, and are actual human beings. Maybe that’s more important than money.

Your health is your wealth and all that.

GEORGIA MORTALITY RATE
4.4%

CURRENTLY W.H.O. MORTALITY RATE
3.6%

DEATHS IN 7 DAYS
2,008
ESTIMATED 233 NEW DEATHS

DEATHS IN 14 DAYS
2,250
ESTIMATED 475 NEW DEATHS

DEATHS IN 30 DAYS
2,906 ESTIMATED 1,131 NEW DEATHS

Case Fatality rate is not the same as infection fatality rate.

Various serology studies have put infection fatality rate of 0.1-0.4%

You don't have to look any further than our own Health care workers, Over 8.000 confirmed infected and only 7 have died.

Fatality rate among Irish Health care workers is less than 0.1%.

Lets keep the thread relevant to Ireland as you've mentioned yourself earlier that Peru/Brazil figures are unreliable and state of Georgia figures are unreliable. Surely our figures ARE reliable?

silverharp · 22-05-2020 02:15PM

Meanwhile in Israel

https://twitter.com/FatEmperor/status/1263813625384484864

Mic 1972 · 22-05-2020 02:17PM

RobitTV wrote: »

What!? you must be joking. You must be a Gemma bot or a Trump supporter.

How dare you post this. Who are the Korean CDC anyway? they must be out protesting with Gemma and John Waters.

Are going to troll the thread all day?

average_runner · 22-05-2020 02:17PM

silverharp wrote: »

Meanwhile in Israel

https://twitter.com/FatEmperor/status/1263813625384484864

Event was limited to 5000 people. We should down to single figure digits by end of june and then u will see us open up.

Irish Aris · 22-05-2020 02:18PM

Just thinking out loud and nothing to back it up, I reckon though that in US there is more pressure to re-open the economy as quickly as possible, money talks and all that. So maybe they are a bit more open to take the risk that people will get infected and some of them will die. I am not saying that this is right or wrong, just that this could be their approach.

Having said that though, I work for an American multinational and in the latest update they have pretty much hinted that everyone that can work from home will probably continue to do so until October or even the end of the year.

Ginger n Lemon · 22-05-2020 02:20PM

silverharp wrote: »

Meanwhile in Israel

https://twitter.com/FatEmperor/status/1263813625384484864

Wow. They clearly didnt hear WHO announcing covid mortality rate of 3.6%.

Or they did and realized WHO also advised against travel bans from China in January. Lol credibility shot.

lawrencesummers · 22-05-2020 02:20PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Case Fatality rate is not the same as infection fatality rate.

Various serology studies have put infection fatality rate of 0.1-0.4%

You don't have to look any further than our own Health care workers, Over 8.000 confirmed infected and only 7 have died.

Fatality rate among Irish Health care workers is less than 0.1%.

Lets keep the thread relevant to Ireland as you've mentioned yourself earlier that Peru/Brazil figures are unreliable and state of Georgia figures are unreliable. Surely our figures ARE reliable?

Your last bit is Epic.

You go on about opening up, that lockdown isn’t necessary and then when actual scientific evidence of lockdown being lifted to early elsewhere shows you that lifting restrictions early can be a big mistake you want to keep this to just Irish figures.

average_runner · 22-05-2020 02:21PM

Also a note on Israel

While Israel has largely emerged from its two-month lockdown, many regulations remain in place, including a ban on gatherings of more than 50 people in open-air settings, according to guidelines posted by police.
Restaurants, bars, pools and hotels are only slated to open later this month and a ban on concerts and other live events is only set to be rolled back on June 14. Masks are still required in most settings, though that regulation was temporarily suspended this week due to a heat wave.

boring accountant · 22-05-2020 02:21PM

fr336 wrote: »

HA! Really now? How is that? People can go outside in a watered down lockdown. Unless working in an office is beneficial to the old immune system?

People have less reason to go outside. Going outside for the sake of being outside gets boring and repetitive if you’re just aimlessly walking around a build up area like most of us who live in the cities are doing.

Normal life gives plenty of reasons to be active.

lawrencesummers · 22-05-2020 02:22PM

Irish Aris wrote: »

Just thinking out loud and nothing to back it up, I reckon though that in US there is more pressure to re-open the economy as quickly as possible, money talks and all that. So maybe they are a bit more open to take the risk that people will get infected and some of them will die. I am not saying that this is right or wrong, just that this could be their approach.

Having said that though, I work for an American multinational and in the latest update they have pretty much hinted that everyone that can work from home will probably continue to do so until October or even the end of the year.

And do you know why that is? Because we have leaders in this country that care about more than just money.

Trumps business interest are in property and hospitality, two areas that stand to be massively affected by this. His motivations have always been financial.

RobitTV · 22-05-2020 02:22PM

Mic 1972 wrote: »

Are going to troll the thread all day?

The only trolls on here are the people spreading fear and hysteria in order to be proven right.

Let's ignore the recoveries and declining cases. We need our egos boosted.

Relaxation of Restrictions, Part III - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

Comments

Relaxation of Restrictions, Part III - Read OP for Mod Warnings