berettaman wrote: »

Can't take your eye off the Government from now on , Greens among them or not.
Our sport is always going to be in the firing line, we have to stand up for it.

THAT is the price we will always pay here.Eternal vigilance and suspicion of any elected rep or body that starts getting ideas about gun control or hunting. We paid too much and too dearly in 1972 and in 2008,and that was thru our own short sightedness and inter organisation fighting.NEVER AGAIN!

As for this "reversal".Until I see that on paper and reported in the news. We keep lobbying and writing and making this public.

Would it not be better getting a code of practise and standards in for the outfitters? This is a seriously underdeveloped tourist branch here,and if done right would bring in some proper money to rural areas? Kind of time that farmers realise that a good trophy stag shot on their land could be worth more than 3 bullocks at the mart at current prices.
Not saying it will be simple and easily done,but "we" all should be looking at this for a future.

Cass wrote: »

Either some are not understanding what he is saying or don't understand derogation itself. Derogation is an exemption. So derogation for pigeon shooting means you can shoot them outside of their season (and we've been saying for years for people to read the acts listed/stickied at the top of the hunting forum regarding season).

Doesn't help that you have incorrect terms thrown out by sites that should know better. https://www.fieldsportschannel.tv/ireland-imposes-pigeon-season/

But you are correct, many people simply don't know or understand the laws. But I've heard people in the past insist that pigeon's have no open season, based on the fact that they've always shot them all year round. Obviously on a forum like this, people are going to be better informed in general, I'm not referring to here.

270WIN wrote: »

It was always going to happen once the farmers got on to it. The problem for us now is if they sneak in a ban on woodcock shooting or snipe..who do we have to back us up then?

Woodcock and snipe are already protected under law, as are all birds, including piegons. Changing the open seasons or other laws is a different process to removing protection temporarily, thankfully.

But I would expect the open seasons will be reviewed at some point. Have they ever been revised significantly?

ldc wrote: »

i understand that a decision was made this evening to agree to reverse the Pigeon Derogation for the 20/21 season and an official announcement should be made over the next few days. Hopefully correct so lets wait and see

If the derog is reversed, or struck out, the window to shoot piegon would reduce further to winter months, same as pheasant.

Birdnuts wrote: »

which is why we need the likes of the NARGC to put clear blue water between local GC lads and outfitters taking tourists to various locations and shooting large bags

I think that's the exact same sort of in-fighting that Grizzly is referring to.

I don't get why it's an all or nothing approach. If there are concerns about numbers taken, then bag limits will be far better than bans.

6.5x55 wrote: »

Hopefully the rumors are correct and the derogation is going to be granted . However I think it would be a good idea to keep the pressure up on local TD's and by asking your local tillage farmers to raise it with their IFA rep and TD's as well. We might have managed to get a derogation for this year, but you can be sure if our Green party friends get into Government that you won't see one being granted next year .

"IF" By some chance the water melons get that post or anything Agricultural related. Too important a position to the national economy to let those lot near it.Then we come back again and do it all again.This time harder,no minister who values their position and a quiet life will stick their nose in this trap again.
Its not like this is a game bird species or deer or a minority aspect of shooting.This was a strike into the heartland of Fudd country too,like the UK last year.It affected alot of hunters and farmers and livelihoods.

Reading the comments in change .org it is mostly farmers and growers that are supporting us on this.
So it is obvious that we are appreciated by them.Remember to thank them somehow when we can get out on the fields again.

As JacK Charlton said so many years ago "Put em under pressure".They are that now,keep them that way.Do not let up,and you can inform any contacts that you have that ove 2500 and counting people have signed a online petition in 3days showing their dissatisfaction on this matter,and that soon another form of direct action will soon hit the Minister on this.

Cant see the facebook page ( only members can see posts).

What does it say ?

We have done well! Just shows what we can do ,yet again,when we get an early warning and alert.We must learn to keep punching above our weight class here in Ireland as shooting and hunting organisations,but as this guy says below...

Has anew derogation been sign/published?
Not that I don’t believe it will happen, but would be worth seeing the outcome on paper.

mcbain087 wrote: »

Representation by Sorca Clarke TD on our behalf, regardless of political affiliation or your personal beliefs, I think we need people like her fighting our corner.

https://www.facebook.com/372211499857199/posts/865965930481751/

Yes alot of rubbish posted by people before the last election about sinn fèin being anti hunting

mcbain087 wrote: »

Thank goodness for that.

Did the NPWS ever publish the so called "objective scientific research" in favour of the ban?