Covid19 Part XVII-24,841 in ROI (1,639 deaths) 4,679 in NI (518 deaths)(28/05)Read OP

Plumbthedepths · 21-05-2020 07:41PM

Tony EH wrote: »

It means they can't get to the boozer for wee while. Their "routine" has been slightly interrupted.

The above is the standard infantile BS posted to justified the attitude towards others who hold a different opinion.
Your attempt to dismiss the impact these restrictions are having is frankly pathetic. Although a report in today's Times might explain the support of restrictions by some members of the community.

Plumbthedepths · 21-05-2020 07:44PM

davedanon wrote: »

Don't worry, Tone. We see how hard you are. This **** doesn't phase you, we get it.

I wonder does the report in the Times feed into support for the restrictions from some quarters prehaps?

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/over-200-000-earning-more-on-covid-19-unemployment-payment-1.4258634

is_that_so · 21-05-2020 07:47PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

I wonder does the report in the Times feed into support for the restrictions from some quarters prehaps?

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/over-200-000-earning-more-on-covid-19-unemployment-payment-1.4258634

Certainly for this chap.

https://www.rte.ie/news/crime/2020/0521/1139865-arrest-covid-payments/

What Username Guidelines · 21-05-2020 07:47PM

Tony EH wrote: »

I didn't mention anything about "often" or "routine". :rolleyes:

But this has been about 9 weeks since we put restrictions in place just before Paddys day and there are a group of posters on here every day...ALL day...banging on with nonsense like "permanent" and "perpetual" and "forever", just because they want to lift the restrictions and the consequences be damned.

Covid-19 is merely a pain in the arse for the vast majority of people. It means they can't get to the boozer for wee while. Their "routine" has been slightly interrupted.

There's no need for all the hair pulling and talking gibberish about permanent or indefinite lockdowns.

In fairness, it’s somewhat permanent for me and I’d consider myself lucky. I’m working from home for the foreseeable, nothing on the roadmap and my company may even keep us at home for good. But I’ve got a job still thankful.

But I’m sure there are plenty out there who work in hotels/pubs that are out of work til at least August. When they do open, if they do, they’ll need less staff. I’m sure there are plenty in events and other things that are pulling their hair out worried about the impact of this in the medium to long term.

Aside from the job situation, I’m also grateful I’m at home with my wife and kid. If this had hit a few years ago, I’d be in a house share with people I didn’t get along with, which was fine at the time but not now. I’m sure there are countless people in less than ideal home lives.

I’m not saying the lockdown is wrong, maybe it is, but I understand why it’s in place. Still, it’s a very intricate balance of attempting to save as many as possible by not collapsing the healthcare system, while a whole other host of social and other health issues pile up behind it all.

NegativeCreep · 21-05-2020 07:54PM

Eod100 wrote: »

Herd immunity would mean having 75% of the population infected for it to be effective. It's not known the level of duration of immunity yet. It's already been dismissed as a strategy as WHO. Just need to look at Sweden's experience to show what consequences are.

I’m not saying I agree with it as a strategy at all but the tweet you posted does nothing to discredit herd immunity as a strategy

Tony EH · 21-05-2020 07:58PM

davedanon wrote: »

Don't worry, Tone. We see how hard you are. This **** doesn't phase you, we get it.

You're gloriously missing the point again. :rolleyes:

is_that_so · 21-05-2020 07:59PM

NegativeCreep wrote: »

I’m not saying I agree with it as a strategy at all but the tweet you posted does nothing to discredit herd immunity as a strategy

Well seeing as it's claimed you need to look at 70%-75% for COVID-19 and no country has been any higher than about 12%, it does seem to be a strategy without any hope of fruition.

ceadaoin. · 21-05-2020 08:01PM

What Username Guidelines wrote: »

I had read a single report from Italy that the cases they were seeing recently seemed a lot milder. As opposed to 80 cases arriving at hospital per day and being admitted, recently it’s been 10 arriving and 8 are fine to recover at home. But it wasn’t widely reported and haven’t heard much since.

There was also a report about how they had detected a weaker version of the virus in Arizona, one that when sequenced showed the same deletions as SARS did when it was receding. It seems the positive stories like that don't really gain much traction though and go pretty much unreported on a wide scale.

Tony EH · 21-05-2020 08:04PM

What Username Guidelines wrote: »

In fairness, it’s somewhat permanent for me and I’d consider myself lucky. I’m working from home for the foreseeable, nothing on the roadmap and my company may even keep us at home for good. But I’ve got a job still thankful.

But I’m sure there are plenty out there who work in hotels/pubs that are out of work til at least August. When they do open, if they do, they’ll need less staff. I’m sure there are plenty in events and other things that are pulling their hair out worried about the impact of this in the medium to long term.

Aside from the job situation, I’m also grateful I’m at home with my wife and kid. If this had hit a few years ago, I’d be in a house share with people I didn’t get along with, which was fine at the time but not now. I’m sure there are countless people in less than ideal home lives.

I’m not saying the lockdown is wrong, maybe it is, but I understand why it’s in place. Still, it’s a very intricate balance of attempting to save as many as possible by not collapsing the healthcare system, while a whole other host of social and other health issues pile up behind it all.

Most people understand why the restrictions are in place and agree with them, as do I.

But there is a small cohort on here 24/7 pushing their "open up" mantra and that's all their interested in. They're the type of poster that use silly phrases like "permanent" and "indefinite" when referring to these restrictions, despite the fact that we're not even three months into this and we're already begun a phasing out exercise, which they want speeded up for christ's sake.

It's beyond ridiculous.

You even have one joker who thinks that restrictions should be lifted and if old people die because of Covid it's grand because they're "past their sell by date".

Kermit.de.frog · 21-05-2020 08:06PM

Tony EH wrote: »

You even have one joker who thinks that restrictions should be lifted and if old people die because of Covid it's grand because they're "past their sell by date".

Eod100 · 21-05-2020 08:08PM

The argument isn't or can't be between opening everything up or lockdown forever. The lockdown can't or won't be forever and is being eased gradually. There's no reason to think that restrictions can't be eased quicker if it's safe to do so.

I do have concerns about people's access to healthcare system for non-covid19 illnesses especially illnesses like cancer where earlier its diagonsed the better. As it was said in Dail you can go to McDonalds but can't get access to some healthcare tests or treatments which doesn't seem right. I think there is a balancing act and nobody has all the answers. I think everyone wants the same outcome, as few deaths as possible from covid19 or other causes during this pandemic and restrictions. Just my 2 cents.

is_that_so · 21-05-2020 08:10PM

Eod100 wrote: »

The argument isn't or can't be between opening everything up or lockdown forever. The lockdown can't or won't be forever and is being eased gradually. There's no reason to think that restrictions can't be eased quicker if it's safe to do so.

I do have concerns about people's access to healthcare system for non-covid19 illnesses especially illnesses like cancer where earlier its diagonsed the better. As it was said in Dail you can go to McDonalds but can't get access to some healthcare tests or treatments which doesn't seem right. I think there is a balancing act and nobody has all the answers. I think everyone wants the same outcome, as few deaths as possible from covid19 or other causes during this pandemic and restrictions. Just my 2 cents.

Glynn was categorical on that again - when it's safe to do so but they are actively working on a plan.

BorneTobyWilde · 21-05-2020 08:11PM

If you rearrange letters in Coronavirus you get ''Carnivorous''

Plumbthedepths · 21-05-2020 08:12PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Glynn was categorical on that again - when it's safe to do so but they are actively working on a plan.

That will be a great comfort for those waiting on cancer referral or transplant operations.

is_that_so · 21-05-2020 08:14PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

That will be a great comfort for those waiting on cancer referral or transplant operations.

In his explanation he made reference to the potential risk to patients and staff. It didn't sound like it's going to change for a while.

Plumbthedepths · 21-05-2020 08:16PM

is_that_so wrote: »

In his explanation he made reference to the potential risk to patients and staff. It didn't sound like it's going to change for a while.

Non Covid victims.

BorneTobyWilde · 21-05-2020 08:16PM

Carnivorous behaviour according to China is why we are here. Animalistic behaviour of feeding on animals not typical of a human diet.
The whole lab theory has gone quite, even with Trump. Who paid who to shut that story down. It upped and vanished like a fart in the wind.

eagle eye · 21-05-2020 08:18PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote:

If you rearrange letters in Coronavirus you get ''Carnivorous''

I wonder does it go easy on vegetarians?

is_that_so · 21-05-2020 08:22PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Non Covid victims.

Yeah. Unfortunate but inevitable. Medical people must be the most obsessively risk-adverse group in society.

polesheep · 21-05-2020 08:23PM

is_that_so wrote: »

In his explanation he made reference to the potential risk to patients and staff. It didn't sound like it's going to change for a while.

Staff have been taking risks in ICU and Covid-19 wards for months now, why should cancer screening be any different?

sonofenoch · 21-05-2020 08:24PM

Tony EH wrote: »

It's only been 9 weeks.

9 WEEKS

In several years time, the vast majority of people will be hard pressed to even remember the Coronvirus outbreak and the mild affect it had on their lives. :rolleyes:

I dunno, for the vast majority of us not affected (not knowing anyone affected) .....granted its not been a particular hardship but it's been a bloody annoyance the type of which you wouldn't forget easily ..............9/11 didn't affect the vast majority of us 20 yrs ago but it's not not remembered, and we only watched on da telly for a couple days

Eod100 · 21-05-2020 08:25PM

polesheep wrote: »

Staff have been taking risks in ICU and Covid-19 wards for months now, why should cancer screening be any different?

It also says patients in that post tbf

BorneTobyWilde · 21-05-2020 08:25PM

eagle eye wrote: »

I wonder does it go easy on vegetarians?

I dunno, but if you rearrange letters in ''Vegetarians'' you get '' Grieve Satan''

Speak Now · 21-05-2020 08:27PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

I dunno, but if you rearrange letters in ''Vegetarians'' you get '' Grieve Satan''

Or Grieve Santa

polesheep · 21-05-2020 08:27PM

Eod100 wrote: »

It also says patients in that post tbf

There are plenty of patients that would like their cancer screening to be carried out. Let's be honest, the real issue here is GPs and those that work in screening. Far too many GPs have been in hiding since this began.

Eod100 · 21-05-2020 08:29PM

polesheep wrote: »

There are plenty of patients that would like their cancer screening to be carried out. Let's be honest, the real issue here is GPs and those that work in screening. Far too many GPs have been in hiding since this began.

I'm not disputing that there are but HSE response seems to be risks need to be mitigated against in order to so if at all possible. I don't think that's fair on GPs tbh.

Plumbthedepths · 21-05-2020 08:31PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Yeah. Unfortunate but inevitable. Medical people must be the most obsessively risk-adverse group in society.

Which is why other voices other than just Holohan should be listened to by government.

Tony EH · 21-05-2020 08:38PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

I dunno, but if you rearrange letters in ''Vegetarians'' you get '' Grieve Satan''

If you rearrange the letters in BorneTobyWilde you get Wobbled Ire Tony. :pac:

Or Robbed Tony Wily...

...which is a bigger cause for concern.

podgeandrodge · 21-05-2020 09:38PM

Tony EH wrote: »

If you rearrange the letters in BorneTobyWilde you get Wobbled Ire Tony. :pac:

Or Robbed Tony Wily...

...which is a bigger cause for concern.

So so bad that nobody could find the will to post for a full hour :pac:

JP Liz V1 · 21-05-2020 10:04PM

CEX stores reopening

Covid19 Part XVII-24,841 in ROI (1,639 deaths) 4,679 in NI (518 deaths)(28/05)Read OP

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