Covid19 Part XVII-24,841 in ROI (1,639 deaths) 4,679 in NI (518 deaths)(28/05)Read OP

Onesea wrote: »

Sweden. 3800 deaths with double the population.
Logic is escaping so many. Keep the old and ill protected. That's all we can do against this there is no alternative and no new normal without blood shed anyway.

The Tony cmo chap was talking about a kawasaki disease spike linked to c19. The foundation responsible for monitoring that disease stated there is no spike in cases this year. Why is he so happy to continue the fear mantra.And you all trust him even after him covering up the cervical cancer scam.

No proper journalism in Ireland, no true press. And a stand in government more concerned about their future performance.

Sweden, who you hold in such esteem for some reason, absolutely failed to protect their old and vulnerable.

And all this for what discernible benefit?

Onesea wrote: »

Can you provide a link to where they show the age of each victim? And if they wee in an institution when they died?

Heres one https://coronavirus-ireland.com
You can look up the daily reports from nphet on gov.ie.

Onesea wrote: »

So if ten people die today we can find out the age of the victims.

They publish the median age of those who died each day. EDIT: Looks like that stat stopped in the gov.ie overview on May 6 (https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/20f2e0-updates-on-covid-19-coronavirus-since-january-2020/). I'm not sure if it's published elsewhere.

Onesea wrote: »

An entire nation of healthy people locked down..For the sake of a few.

Yep, a nation looking out for its most vulnerable. The right thing to do.

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

French military personnel taking part in games in Wuhan ( China) in October.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/french-army-returned-wuhan-military-21988912

Clickbait candyfloss, written by 'journalists' more suited to writing fiction and gossip columns.

When you read the article it amounts to some athletes saying I had what I thought was a cold but it could have been CoViD-19. Or a lot of people caught something it could have been CoViD-19. None were actually tested and found positive for CoViD-19.

It would have been the start of the annual influenza season, similar to November / December here where there was a noticeable increase in influenza.

It's the sort of empty article pumped out by journalists (and newspapers) who have column inches to fill and nothing of substance to fill them with.

Come to think of it. I had a really bad dose a few years ago, stinging eyes and nose, pounding headache, cough and high temperature. Maybe I had CoViD-19 :rolleyes:

Onesea wrote: »

So if ten people die today we can find out the age of the victims.

An entire nation of healthy people locked down..For the sake of a few.

You've a real penchant for saying stupid ****e

20% of Irish people have underlying chronic illnesses that put them at risk ,20% of the population are over 65, literally about 1.4 million Irish people are at high risk of developing complications, and about 600,000 of that group are at very high risk (both elderly and with chronic illnesses)

Mic 1972 wrote: »

However it mutates and antibodies may or may not last long enough

It's been very stable all along. Antibodies drop as necessary but memory cells form.

This means herd immunity is the best path.

Onesea wrote: »

You have a lack of understanding. They very people you mention aren't those driving society which means we can continue living and they can cocoon away. At least they would know the world is functioning away outside.

Look at all the evidence showing the absence of reinfection.seriously Ireland wake up.

Driving society? What is society exactly and in what way are these human beings with jobs, families and friends set apart from it?

Some people are genuinely upset that this virus is burning out as fast as it came here.

Onesea wrote: »

If yous really did give a **** about the venerable, maybe the nursing homes wouldn't have been the way they were.
Other countries closed them off properly without hesitation.

The nursing home my Dad was in restricted visitors to two nominated people on March 6th (same date Nursing Homes Ireland recommended its members implement restrictions). I was one of them, and live on the other side of the country, so it ended up that only the other nominated visitor got to go in once. Bear in mind that they also had increased hygiene protocols in place - they are used to successfully dealing with preventative measures for seasonal flu and MRSA. On March 13th they banned all visitors and put really strict protocols in place for the collection and return of laundry and any other public interaction with the home. My Dad was diagnosed with Covid 19 on April 17th - the first in the home - so it's very unlikely it came from a visitor - certainly not directly and probably not indirectly. Within days of him, a good number of others were diagnosed, so that seemed to be the beginning of the break-out there. He died on May 1st. Last I heard, on Saturday when I had to go there to pick up his stuff, was that things were under control. I’m not sure how many died, but he wasn’t the only one.

I know first hand that the nursing home situation is not good here. In hindsight, there was certainly more that could have been done - particularly around staff access (I don't know if any of the staff in his home also worked in others). But it's not the case that nothing was done. It certainly never reached the level of Spain, where they sent the army in and found people abandoned, dead in their beds. And most other countries struggled with them too. The situation was novel, fast moving and unlike anything that had preceded it. The perfect response is difficult under these circumstances.

silverharp wrote: »

this wasnt handed down from the Gods to Moses, they ought to be prepared to be flexible based on whats happening here and abroad

Sure, but I think Phase 1 in its entirety is an absolute given no matter what people say. CMO also described it as living document, not set in stone. I think there will be scope later, if things go as they seem to be going, for a more expansive approach.

https://twitter.com/fergalbowers/status/1263433545059635201?s=21

Am I right in reading this that less than 2,500 people have been referred and tested in the last two days? That’s ridiculously low. We need to expand the case definition.

Onesea wrote: »

You have a lack of understanding. They very people you mention aren't those driving society which means we can continue living and they can cocoon away. At least they would know the world is functioning away outside.

Look at all the evidence showing the absence of reinfection.seriously Ireland wake up.

No you misunderstand as it is a completely different point. You implied very few people are at risk, which is patently false. Whether those people 'contribute' to society or not and we lock them up while we continue with normal life is a different discussion.

I don't really see any other better option at this stage, but I certainly wouldn't be so flippant about the suggestion, as if it is so simple and unproblematic to have over 1 million Irish residents remain largely house bound indefinitely.